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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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    #2732
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I think you're being a little harsh. Yes, Joycean scholars do have that image, but Ulysses is an everyman story and its being made more accessible all the time. If nothing else it's always been a great excuse for a big piss up and some great publicity for the City and the seaside suburbs. Literary heritage and tourism is a massive market.

    Ulysses may be the story of an everyman, but few have had the patience to read or understand it.
    It's waffle.
    Hipsters pretend to read it when sitting alone in wine bars to appear sophisticated.


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    #2733
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,839 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I haven't read it either, just snippets. But read the interpretations of it, it's great fun.


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    #2734
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I haven't read it either, just snippets. But read the interpretations of it, it's great fun.

    I prefer it in its original form, by Homer.


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    #2735
    Topgear on Dave
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    Dohvolle wrote: »
    I prefer it in its original form, by Homer.

    Simpson?


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    #2736
    jonnybigwallet
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    I see the RN have just retired one of their type 23 frigates. Might be an opportunity there to pick up a nice bit of kit at a decent price. Maybe have to spend a few bob on a quick refurb to get it "fighting fit"



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    #2737
    Dohvolle
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117677681#Comment_117677681

    It has already been stripped of all its weaponry to keep the other Type 23s in service. I presume its gas turbines have been removed for the same reason.

    It's a 30 year old floating metal box. The cost of filling that box, and refitting it with accommodation fit for purpose would build a new one.


    No thanks.



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    #2738
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117677681#Comment_117677681

    "A few bob"... Try a significant chunk of the Defence Budget, not too mention finding a couple of hundred crew for her... I doubt she will see anything other than the breakers yard.



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    #2739
    jonnybigwallet
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    I see the Royal Hellenic Navy have bagged it along with another "auld one"



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    #2740
    thomil
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    So they're transporting them back in time? Would certainly give the Ottomans another headache in addition to Georgios Averoff.

    Greece hasn't been a monarchy for decades. What's more, they have a well-established shipbuilding industry and defence industry. They can do any required maintenance and refits "in-house", a capability that Ireland can only dream of.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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    #2741
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117697037#Comment_117697037

    If the Greeks pick the Type 31 as their new frigates, that competition is still open though and given the state of one of them the Greeks would be nuts.



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    #2742
    Larbre34
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    I love the way the Brits are chucking Monmouth and Montrose to the Greeks to "assist them in the face of Turkish aggression", yet nobody seems to be addressing the fact that these tensions are between two NATO members!

    Anyway, I'd be shocked if EU/Brexit considerations didn't eventually see Greece end up with the next gen Meko 200 after the AN. They've a long history with the basic hull and suppliers and I'm sure the deal will be sweetened beyond anything British suppliers can match.



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    #2743
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117702074#Comment_117702074

    The tensions between Greece and Turkey have been going on for decades at this point, Ewing part of NATO hasn’t and won’t stop that. Given the recent Rafale deal I wouldn’t be hugely surprised if France might get the contract tbh.



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    #2744
    Larbre34
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    What have France to offer? I thought it'd be Type 31 and Arrowhead (British) V Meko 200+ (German)?



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    #2745
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117702631#Comment_117702631

    FREMM Air Defence frigate.



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    #2746
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117704978#Comment_117704978

    Nah, the Italians are in the running with the FREMM, the French are offering the FDI (their light Frigate design), there's also the Dutch Singma design.

    https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/defea-2021/2021/06/new-developments-in-greece-a-shortlist-for-the-fleet-modernization-program/



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    #2747
    jonnybigwallet
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    That Meko 200 is a powerful bit of kit. It'd be a struggle to man it though. Not to mention the fact that a fully tooled up one would be a bit pricey!

    Have to put it on the bucket list! Would love to see one or two of these moored up at Haulbowline.



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    #2748
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117725217#Comment_117725217

    Where's the eyeroll emoji when you need it?



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    #2749
    Larbre34
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    🙄🙄🙄



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    #2750
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The DOD have confirmed that they are looking at the two Lake class from New Zealand for the Peacocks:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40357757.html



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    #2751
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Tenix will be shocked that they were taken over by Brooke Marine.

    Clearly the author googled lake class, and came up with the wrong one.

    Untitled Image




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    #2752
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So are we looking at

    Naval Station Arklow, Dún Laoghaire or Drogheda?



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    #2753
    Tabnabs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117746900#Comment_117746900

    DL is a nice easy one for the politicians to come out and visit...



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    #2754
    Tabnabs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117744695#Comment_117744695

    Maybe they got the idea from this thread?! 😄

    Hope they got a job-lot and the crew are included in the purchase price?



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    #2755
    Dohvolle
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    Would be great to see the old ferry terminal taken over, but CIL have already offered the use of their berth. Its gonna be DL regardless. Drogheda too close to nordies, and too busy as a commercial port. Arkla needs a lot of work, and I can't see DoD footing that bill.


    Would be great to see a few Maori from the Irish Navy boarding the UK reg spanish boats crewed by egyptians..



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    #2756
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117746915#Comment_117746915

    Yeah they would probably request the ERU or rangers to escort them if they had to visit drogheda and they are probably not sure where arklow is. So DL would not be to far and yet they could claim some nice travel allowences It will be interesting to see will we have TDs coming out saying why there town should host a new naval base. I presume between Military and Civilans you could be looking at up to 100 personal



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    #2757
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117746925#Comment_117746925

    Don’t think the kiwis have an abundance of crew themselves, though might be a nice shot in the arm for the NS if they got to go down and work up in New Zealand waters and then sail them home, though I’d imagine they will be sealifted back…



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    #2758
    jonnybigwallet
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    I bet you they'll flog off one of the 4 P90's to cover the purchase price of the 2 Lakes and maybe put some cash in the kitty towards a future MRV. Seeing as they can't muster the crews for all 4 of them at the moment.



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    #2759
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756766#Comment_117756766

    The Peacocks are already going away if these hulls get bought, the Government is not going to flog the newest hulls in the fleet.



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    #2760
    roadmaster
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    Would Dundalk Port be capable of supporting the lake class vessels or would the tide be an issue? I am just thinking from a support base point of view Aiken Barracks is very close and you could have sharing of alot of services and facilities which would help.



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    #2761
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117757995#Comment_117757995

    Out of the question. The lake class has a draft of just under 3m. Thats 3 m below the waterline for johnnybigwallet. You need at least 3m under the waterline to go anywhere. Ships need to be available to leave port 24/7. Tidal range in Dundalk is 4m.

    Today, a lake class IPV would be stuck in Dundalk from 0830 to 14.30. Even then, the high tide only gives you a max of 2m to spare above datum.

    At lowest low tide, the floor of the Basin in Haulbowline still has 5m of water. The Channel in Dundalk only has 3.4m. Due to the "suck" factor of a vessel in motion, that's a grounding incident if you try to escape during low tide.



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