Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Top Dog · 04-12-2017 4:38pm

Am I the only one who's getting bored with all the speculation and re-hashing of articles while we wait for Williams to get the thumb out and make a decision?

Get it over with already.

skipper_G · 04-12-2017 4:47pm

Top Dog wrote: »

Am I the only one who's getting bored with all the speculation and re-hashing of articles while we wait for Williams to get the thumb out and make a decision?

Get it over with already.

+1. The amount of absolute garbage that has been passed off as journalism in the last week is mind blowing.

AMKC · 04-12-2017 4:52pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Ross Brawn is looking at bringing 3 new manufacturers into the sport in the form of Porsche, Aston Martin and Lamborghini,well 2 if you consider Aston Martin are already there as a Red Bull title Sponsor.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/887088/F1-News-Ross-Brawn-Manufacturers-Porsche-Aston-Martin-Lamborghini

It would be strange if both Porsche and Lamborghini joined as they are both owned by the Volkswagen Audi group. So they would be paying twice the price to be in F1. I can see maybe one in it not two. Don't get be wrong it would be great but can't see the VW board agreeing to spend the money for two of there companies in the same sport.

g1983d · 04-12-2017 7:58pm

AMKC wrote: »

It would be strange if both Porsche and Lamborghini joined as they are both owned by the Volkswagen Audi group. So they would be paying twice the price to be in F1. I can see maybe one in it not two. Don't get be wrong it would be great but can't see the VW board agreeing to spend the money for two of there companies in the same sport.

I think manufacturers see the benefits in having 2 teams when negotiating with Liberty
That's why Ferrari have spent on adding Alfa , William's is a Merc number 2 team, red bull have 2. More power = more money

g1983d · 04-12-2017 8:02pm

Top Dog wrote: »

Am I the only one who's getting bored with all the speculation and re-hashing of articles while we wait for Williams to get the thumb out and make a decision?

Get it over with already.

In recent years have Williams made any decisions without overthinking it? It's has even cost them races, there have been times where they play it safe to protect 2nd or 3rd when they could've gone for a win.
I like Williams but the procrastination annoys me

mickdw · 04-12-2017 8:16pm

Yep 2 teams seems to almost be a requirement now in order to win.
There is certainly the political advantage but also advantages in terms of wind tunnel time, testing time etc if they combine their knowledge / learning.

boardsuser1 · 04-12-2017 8:35pm

g1983d wrote: »

In recent years have Williams made any decisions without overthinking it? It's has even cost them races, there have been times where they play it safe to protect 2nd or 3rd when they could've gone for a win.
I like Williams but the procrastination annoys me

Pastor Maldonado?

Spain 2012 aside?

skipper_G · 04-12-2017 8:43pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Pastor Maldonado?

Spain 2012 aside?

To be fair that was out of necessity, after years of underachievement their income suffered a decline and they needed the cash

boardsuser1 · 04-12-2017 10:13pm

skipper_G wrote: »

To be fair that was out of necessity, after years of underachievement their income suffered a decline and they needed the cash

Might be going the same way in 2018

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5144537/amp/Williams-talks-Kubica-Sirotkin.html

skipper_G · 04-12-2017 10:50pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Might be going the same way in 2018

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5144537/amp/Williams-talks-Kubica-Sirotkin.html

Daily Mail isn't getting a click out of me

Vic_08 · 05-12-2017 12:18am

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Might be going the same way in 2018

It's already the same way, Stroll is the new Maldonado. Okay he doesn't crash as much but he is every bit the pay driver, 1.1 seconds slower than a retiring Massa in his last quali.

Unless Paddy Lowe manages to produce a Merc clone chassis to bring Williams up a level next year they are likely to be heading towards the back of the field anyway. Their decent form has been due to the dominance of the Merc engine, as the Ferrari and Renault has improved the weakness of the Williams car has really shown.

With McLaren getting shot of the clown-car engine, Renault improving, FI just being consistently better all round, Sauber having some FIAT group cash and no longer using year-old engines Williams could well be struggling to score points next season without the help of first corner crashes.

boardsuser1 · 05-12-2017 10:16am

skipper_G wrote: »

Daily Mail isn't getting a click out of me

:pac::pac::pac:

Vic_08 wrote: »

It's already the same way, Stroll is the new Maldonado. Okay he doesn't crash as much but he is every bit the pay driver, 1.1 seconds slower than a retiring Massa in his last quali.

Unless Paddy Lowe manages to produce a Merc clone chassis to bring Williams up a level next year they are likely to be heading towards the back of the field anyway. Their decent form has been due to the dominance of the Merc engine, as the Ferrari and Renault has improved the weakness of the Williams car has really shown.

With McLaren getting shot of the clown-car engine, Renault improving, FI just being consistently better all round, Sauber having some FIAT group cash and no longer using year-old engines Williams could well be struggling to score points next season without the help of first corner crashes.

A double helping so based on the Daily Mail article. Sirotkin has major backers.

I hope Kubica is picked over him though,to have 2 drivers in a team with only 1 season between them wouldn't be a smart move for the reasons you have outlined above.

Stroll shouldn't be in F1, but Daddy's bank balance told Frank and Claire Williams otherwise.

skipper_G · 05-12-2017 11:50am

I think that's a bit harsh on Stroll, yeah he wasn't ready for F1 this year but Williams took the chance anyway. In the end he's done okay, had a couple of good performances, his qualifying generally wasn't great, I think he outqualified Massa twice. But with the first season out of the way and extra experience he should get better next season.

boardsuser1 · 05-12-2017 12:14pm

skipper_G wrote: »

I think that's a bit harsh on Stroll, yeah he wasn't ready for F1 this year but Williams took the chance anyway. In the end he's done okay, had a couple of good performances, his qualifying generally wasn't great, I think he outqualified Massa twice. But with the first season out of the way and extra experience he should get better next season.

Harsh yes but not far off at the same time.

The podium finish was as a result of Vettel and Hamilton dropping down the field due to separate issues.

Let’s hope he does better in 2018.

boardsuser1 · 05-12-2017 5:56pm

An interesting Mark Hughes article.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/kubica-test-raises-more-questions-answers

Infoanon · 05-12-2017 6:19pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

An interesting Mark Hughes article.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/kubica-test-raises-more-questions-answers

The issue from numerous articles is the pace over one lap - but Kubica was ahead of Sirotkin in the pecking order at Renault so I don't understand the sudden hype about been faster in one afternoon.

The Mark Hughes article does highlight the complications of focussing on single runs BUT one thing that is not in doubt is Kubicas fitness.

As it stands Kubica and Stroll appears the best line up Williams can get - but is weak when compared to their closest rivals eg Perez/Ocon at Force India - ironically its Strolls weaknesses that could cause Kubica to lose out on the drive as Williams need a driver who can get them into Q3 consistantly

Adamocovic · 06-12-2017 11:23am

Looking forward to seeing Alfa and Leclerc.

Soon find out how the halo experiment goes. No doubt there will be a few drivers complaining about it throughout the season.

Harika · 06-12-2017 9:53pm

http://www.rachf1.com/news/robert-kubica-unsigned-by-williams-for-2018

You can read what you want into it. Could be a glitch or proof.

boardsuser1 · 06-12-2017 10:06pm

Harika wrote: »

http://www.rachf1.com/news/robert-kubica-unsigned-by-williams-for-2018

You can read what you want into it. Could be a glitch or proof.

Basically he has secured the licence if as reported the restrictions on green & red lights is strictly adhered to.

boardsuser1 · 06-12-2017 10:14pm

Just spotted that Kubica turns 33 tomorrow.

Will there be a birthday surprise in store i wonder?

Infoanon · 06-12-2017 11:08pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Basically he has secured the licence if as reported the restrictions on green & red lights is strictly adhered to.

There have been some very misleading reports especially imho in the UK media - the exiting the car and lack of a super licence issues where all reported as show stoppers but all have been dealt with.

Speed over a single qualifying lap is seen as a potential issue but Mark Hughes article explains that issue.

skipper_G · 06-12-2017 11:17pm

Infoanon wrote: »

There have been some very misleading reports especially imho in the UK media - the exiting the car and lack of a super licence issues where all reported as show stoppers but all have been dealt with.

Speed over a single qualifying lap is seen as a potential issue but Mark Hughes article explains that issue.

The worst thing is some sap throws up an opinion piece which is then regurgitated by click bait perpetrators as fact. And people end up not knowing anything more than they did before they started reading them. I have stopped reading anything Kubica related until I see an official announcement from Williams directly.

Schorpio · 06-12-2017 11:30pm

Infoanon wrote: »

There have been some very misleading reports especially imho in the UK media - the exiting the car and lack of a super licence issues where all reported as show stoppers but all have been dealt with.

Speed over a single qualifying lap is seen as a potential issue but Mark Hughes article explains that issue.

When the internet picked up that Robert was running the red light, I remember reading a comment stating that since Robert has previously held a superlicense, he only needed to have a briefing and run an up-to-date spec car for a certain distance as part of an official FiA sanctioned event (such as a race weekend, or official testing). With Robert having done mammoth distances in the Renault and subsequently the Williams, he supposedly far exceeded this distance requirement. Hence the red light.

Although I am very much a secondhand source for this (aka, read a comment someone posted somewhere on the internet which sounded legit), so please take with a grain of salt! :pac:

Jordan 199 · 07-12-2017 3:05am

Hopefully for next year Renault will have a more reliable and powerful engine.

Harika · 07-12-2017 10:43am

Schorpio wrote: »

With Robert having done mammoth distances in the Renault and subsequently the Williams, he supposedly far exceeded this distance requirement. Hence the red light.

Could also be as Sirotkin was running too, that they missed to switch the lights. :pac:

skipper_G · 07-12-2017 11:57am

Honda have made some changes to their F1 program leadership, Hasegawa is gone
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11159865/honda-in-f1-overhaul-after-mclaren-split-boss-yusuke-hasegawa-axed

And I read on Joe Saward's blog that Maserati is being mentioned alongside Haas for a similar branding deal to Sauber & Alfa. Not sure I see the logic in that for Haas, a move like that might result in less exposure for his company from the F1 project, which was one of his primary reasons for pursuing it in the first place.

Infoanon · 07-12-2017 3:15pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Honda have made some changes to their F1 program leadership, Hasegawa is gone
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11159865/honda-in-f1-overhaul-after-mclaren-split-boss-yusuke-hasegawa-axed

And I read on Joe Saward's blog that Maserati is being mentioned alongside Haas for a similar branding deal to Sauber & Alfa. Not sure I see the logic in that for Haas, a move like that might result in less exposure for his company from the F1 project, which was one of his primary reasons for pursuing it in the first place.

I do recall Haas saying a few sponsors would be nice to have - but apparently money is not an issue ? - the Maserati link would appear to be two fold - give Ferrari more power at the negotiating table (Sauber & Haas) would vote with Ferrari and a longer term plan to sell off Maserati, a higher value should result from the F1 exposure

Lionbacker · 07-12-2017 3:18pm

skipper_G wrote: »

And I read on Joe Saward's blog that Maserati is being mentioned alongside Haas for a similar branding deal to Sauber & Alfa.

Ferrari, Alfa and Maserati all back competing again?
It'll be like 1950's era returning, when those classic brands were once at the pinnacle of motorsport.

(Yes, I know its only branding for the latter two, but still...)

robyntmorton · 07-12-2017 5:09pm

A 3 of each engine component limit has been confirmed for 2018 before grid penalty, or, as they say in Japanese "Saturday".

Quite simply making a bad problem worse. I'm all for limits, or it'll be an engine a race job, but if 4 was too far, what good will 3 do?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-no-going-back-three-engine-rule-986349/

Frank Bullitt · 08-12-2017 7:21pm

Carmen Jorda has been announced as the FIAs Women Commission.

What a throughly stupid appointment.

boardsuser1 · 08-12-2017 7:33pm

Oliver Rowland linked with Williams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/f1-grid-2018-williams-robert-kubica-oliver-rowland-drivers-a8099876.html?amp

Frank Bullitt · 08-12-2017 9:56pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Oliver Rowland linked with Williams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/f1-grid-2018-williams-robert-kubica-oliver-rowland-drivers-a8099876.html?amp

Williams have denied this today, thats kinda odd.

boardsuser1 · 08-12-2017 11:08pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Williams have denied this today, thats kinda odd.

I wonder is it all a decoy with a Kubica deal going on behind the scenes.

mickdw · 08-12-2017 11:17pm

I think Kubica has it.
Maybe not finalised but I'm sure if his speed was not there, they would have put an end to this circus by now for everyones sake.
So imo he has it bar straightening out a few paperwork issues.
It would seem he had a real chance at Renault until sainz became an option. To be fair, it was then a no brainer to take sainz consider they are a full factory outfit actively building for the future.
Williams are a different proposition. Firstly they need the older driver but would also welcome the publicity and everything else that comes with the kubica comeback.

boardsuser1 · 08-12-2017 11:32pm

mickdw wrote: »

I think Kubica has it.
Maybe not finalised but I'm sure if his speed was not there, they would have put an end to this circus by now for everyones sake.
So imo he has it bar straightening out a few paperwork issues.
It would seem he had a real chance at Renault until sainz became an option. To be fair, it was then a no brainer to take sainz consider they are a full factory outfit actively building for the future.
Williams are a different proposition. Firstly they need the older driver but would also welcome the publicity and everything else that comes with the kubica comeback.

I genuinely hope he gets the drive, as do most of Poland and beyond.

Sainz is a potential long term candidate for Renault if they can do a deal with Red Bull for him.

If Kubica comes back it’ll be for 3 seasons at best given he is now 33.

Williams stand to make huge financial gains from the publicity he would generate.

I wouldn’t be surprised if martini pushed for it also, because as title sponsor they would get more tv coverage than they could probably dream of.

The decision for Renault not to continue was quick and fast, this being as slow as it is benefits nobody really.

Vic_08 · 09-12-2017 8:47pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I genuinely hope he gets the drive

We know.

boardsuser1 · 09-12-2017 9:01pm

Vic_08 wrote: »

We know.

:pac:

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2017 3:47pm

This will be disappointing if true.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/890841/Robert-Kubica-F1-return-Sergey-Sirotkin-Williams-massive-offer

robyntmorton · 11-12-2017 3:53pm

They have to weigh up ability, guaranteed money, or the possibility that brands will want to be involved with the miracle comeback story.

Obviously the Sirotkin offer does make the muddy waters even more so, but it's not all over for Kubica yet.

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2017 3:55pm

How much influence will Putin and Russia have since Kvyat is gone though?

robyntmorton · 11-12-2017 3:59pm

Yeah, that does add to it. I'm not sure to what extent, but it is another layer to the puzzle.

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2017 4:11pm

OSI wrote: »

FYP

Hardly?

Frank Bullitt · 11-12-2017 6:51pm

Reading it on Autosport as well, money talks.

Such a shame.

iomusicdublin · 11-12-2017 7:28pm

g1983d wrote: »

In recent years have Williams made any decisions without overthinking it? It's has even cost them races, there have been times where they play it safe to protect 2nd or 3rd when they could've gone for a win.
I like Williams but the procrastination annoys me

Williams has massively underachieved since 2013. In 2014 and 2015 they should have challenged everywhere with stronger drivers and better management. I think this is a reason Paddy Lowe was hired.

I understand having a billionaire driver is handy but Stroll should not be in the car next year, he was destroyed by Massa. Kubica had his time and there are too many questions about him. Hire Kfyat at a bargain price.

robyntmorton wrote: »

A 3 of each engine component limit has been confirmed for 2018 before grid penalty, or, as they say in Japanese "Saturday".

Quite simply making a bad problem worse. I'm all for limits, or it'll be an engine a race job, but if 4 was too far, what good will 3 do?

It is a stupid rule. I want to see cars pushed to the max every lap for every race, all through the year. Who cares about 50 laps of tyre / fuel saving.

boardsuser1 · 11-12-2017 7:52pm

All over for Kubica

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/891014/Robert-Kubica-2018-seat-Williams-Sergey-Sirotkin/amp

Mike Litoris · 11-12-2017 8:23pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

All over for Kubica

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/891014/Robert-Kubica-2018-seat-Williams-Sergey-Sirotkin/amp

Fcuk sake.

I guess that £18m is too much to turn down for Williams.

muckwarrior · 11-12-2017 11:39pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

All over for Kubica

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/891014/Robert-Kubica-2018-seat-Williams-Sergey-Sirotkin/amp

That's the last time I'm clicking on a link from that site. Just more bullsh1t speculation with no facts.

boardsuser1 · 12-12-2017 12:06am

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's the last time I'm clicking on a link from that site. Just more bullsh1t speculation with no facts.

Google Kubica, there’s more than just that.

Mike Litoris · 12-12-2017 8:20am

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's the last time I'm clicking on a link from that site. Just more bullsh1t speculation with no facts.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sirotkin-favourite-williams-drive-kubica-987849/

This report is a bit more pc!

Spudman_20000 · 12-12-2017 12:46pm

So Sirotkin was quicker in testing and brings a big pile of cash. Bit of a no brainer for Williams so.

I would agree that the team is going nowhere without a top experienced driver. Stroll shouldn't be in F1 based on ability and I don't know the first thing about Sirotkin.

Always feels like a team that is biding its time until the stars align for them.

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