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Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

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  • #52
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    This is it wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111438191&postcount=10315

    That didn't take long :)

    Thank you for this


  • #53
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,206 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    Read about what? Your club has been given vast sums of money from your owners. The mangers have spent that money. But some how results/performances are down to this?

    Yes, read about all that. How many more times would you need to be told it?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #54
    Adamcp898
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    We may make a soap opera out of this thread lads to entertain ourselves in the interim. We just might have trouble settling on character names :pac:


    Ole to be sacrificed at the alter in a fortnight’s time and the next act in the Ed’s Reds fiasco to begin. Hopefully the final one.


  • #55
    sReq | uTeK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Disgusted with today. Just disgusted, wafer thin squad. How has he let it get to this point? To put this pressure on Academy players is also terrible management.

    These players should be coming into a side that are winning and playing cannon fodder not trying to dig us out of a rut.

    **** me he needs to go


  • #56
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    https://twitter.com/MrTomMcDermott/status/1180902322622345217?s=19

    Twitter is lit tonight, sorry for all the posts but important to share imo


  • #57
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    No away win since PSG,of course the ex players will defend Ole as he's their mate but a point comes where it becomes indefensible.
    When a kid on his debut makes a mockery of our midfield then that point has come.


  • #58
    GSPfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    Just watching the Ronaldo Piers Morgan interview. Ronaldo is such a likeable bloke. He’s an absolute sporting god.


  • #59
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1180978540424187905?s=19

    Did Ed sign Tampax up as a sponsor yet?


  • #60
    internelligent
    Registered Users Posts: 956 ✭✭✭internelligent


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1180911596182413312

    Always want Utd to lose but I genuinely feel sorry for De Gea. Looks like he really cares and can't express how sorry he is to the fans. At a complete loss as to why they are where they are.


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  • #61
    ozzy jr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭ozzy jr


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Whatever about the money, the Glaziers have allowed Woodward to oversee the utter destruction of the club. They’ve never stepped in to remove Woodward, who is the man in charge of every failing that has happened. And the only reason for that is that they are ok with what’s happened us.

    So they show an utter lack of respect for the club by refusing to deal with the issues at a board level.

    Remove Woodward?

    The owners love him. He got them through the door, he gets them huge dividends. They dont care what happens on the pitch.


  • #62
    xabi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭xabi


    BDI wrote: »
    Sadly I’m worried about getting relegated now.

    Blanc
    Wenger
    Jose
    Rodgers
    Benitez would all get this team to safety.

    Maybe I’m panicking but to see man utd out of ideas unable to break down a near definite relegated Newcastle is scary.

    Can another manager get goals out of these lads.

    I’ll sleep on it before I officially change my stance to ole out. I respect the fella as a player and a person too much to make a snap decision but what other option is there?

    100/1 today, sadly, you missed out on 200/1 yesterday.


  • #63
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    The damage is done unfortunately

    We could be in serious bother this season, even a new manager might not have any more luck than Ole is having.

    The quality of the squad is just shocking and the pressure is mounting for them to justify their ridiculous wages which means they are being reckless on the field, you look at us conceding from our own corner today to lose the game.

    That kind of recklessness is what you’d expect out of Brighton a few weeks from the end of the season to get out of the relegation zone, not from the highest paid squad in the league 8 games into the season. It’s panic stations now.

    I think a bottom half finish is on the cards but realistically it’s an impossible task to get relegated, we will pick up 30 more points from the 90 available surely.


  • #64
    Thepoet85
    Registered Users Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭Thepoet85


    Rayne Wooney wrote:
    I think a bottom half finish is on the cards but realistically it’s an impossible task to get relegated, we will pick up 30 more points from the 90 available surely.


    Amazing to read this sentence in a Man Utd thread and for it to be ge genuine. How has it gotten to this? :(


  • #65
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,813 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    BDI wrote: »
    Sadly I’m worried about getting relegated now.

    Blanc
    Wenger
    Jose
    Rodgers
    Benitez would all get this team to safety.

    Maybe I’m panicking but to see man utd out of ideas unable to break down a near definite relegated Newcastle is scary.

    Can another manager get goals out of these lads.

    I’ll sleep on it before I officially change my stance to ole out. I respect the fella as a player and a person too much to make a snap decision but what other option is there?

    It’s the all out of ideas part that is terribly worrying. A group of professionals who seeming when thrown together on that pitch have no ideas about how to create an opportunity to put the ball in the opposition net.

    It’s like a bunch of cavemen looking at a spaceship for fûcks sake not a clue between them...

    Let’s hire a guy to do a managers job who despite being a success as a player is yet to gain the experience or present the kind of aptitude that is demanded of a United manager...

    Gone from a guy with a decent football brain all be it with the personality of a one legged rapist to a guy with seemingly very little going on upstairs, very little experience and very little to suggest he could or should have been given the job...


  • #66
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,336 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Looking forward to seeing what approx €150M of Longstaff's will get you these days....




    2 very decent players it seems...


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  • #67
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,813 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    We just got to somehow get the fûck away from 4-6-0...


  • #68
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Just to point out in the league table of home games played, we're level on points with city on 7. On away games , we're level on points with Spurs :eek: on 2!


  • #69
    bmcc10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    PARlance wrote: »
    Looking forward to seeing what approx €150M of Longstaff's will get you these days....




    2 very decent players it seems...

    2 very average players who just happened to come up against a midfield with worse


  • #70
    bmcc10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Neville after the Chelsea game.
    "We're not that far away from where we wanna be"
    Neville after Palace game.
    "We need 3 or 4 players to compete"
    After today's game.
    "We need 6 or 7 players"
    And he's arguing with Souness about a "change of direction"


  • #71
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    The damage is done unfortunately

    We could be in serious bother this season, even a new manager might not have any more luck than Ole is having.

    The quality of the squad is just shocking and the pressure is mounting for them to justify their ridiculous wages which means they are being reckless on the field, you look at us conceding from our own corner today to lose the game.

    That kind of recklessness is what you’d expect out of Brighton a few weeks from the end of the season to get out of the relegation zone, not from the highest paid squad in the league 8 games into the season. It’s panic stations now.

    I think a bottom half finish is on the cards but realistically it’s an impossible task to get relegated, we will pick up 30 more points from the 90 available surely.

    Unless something changes dramatically I think relegation is a real worry especially after the de gea interview. Really sad to watch. Another worrying factor is that we are now a team which other teams see as an easy 3 points, ok some of the teams below us haven't got many world class players but neither have we but what they do have is passion,pride, and work ethic,something our squad has lost. Very hard to put into text what I think of Woodward and glaziers with out incurring a ban,but they have to go.


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  • #72
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Not looking forward to meeting smug pool fans at work.


  • #73
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    I’d say he’s gone. Heart broken for the man, I want to say give him till Christmas atleast but it’s fairly scary now at this stage.


  • #74
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,435 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    The damage is done unfortunately

    We could be in serious bother this season, even a new manager might not have any more luck than Ole is having.

    The quality of the squad is just shocking and the pressure is mounting for them to justify their ridiculous wages which means they are being reckless on the field, you look at us conceding from our own corner today to lose the game.

    That kind of recklessness is what you’d expect out of Brighton a few weeks from the end of the season to get out of the relegation zone, not from the highest paid squad in the league 8 games into the season. It’s panic stations now.

    I think a bottom half finish is on the cards but realistically it’s an impossible task to get relegated, we will pick up 30 more points from the 90 available surely.

    Relegation on our current form could well be on the cards.

    The only thing we have in our favour to change things is money. Should we bring in a goalscorer in January we could potentially save ourselves.

    The much maligned move to bring zlatan back could be a serious option in terms of getting a leader with the qualities of a winner back into the dressing room,although we'd require a younger option to operate up front on a Week in week out basis.

    Glazers Out!



  • #75
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    https://www.football365.com/news/man-united-hit-rock-bottom-then-just-excavate-further

    "Man United hit rock-bottom…then just excavate further"


  • #76
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,137 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    billyhead wrote: »
    Not looking forward to meeting smug pool fans at work.

    Call them title favourites. That'll terrify them.


  • #77
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    17 points in 17 games while Liverpool have hit a perfect 51. That's not good enough, luck, injuries and whatever go out the window when it's that bad


  • #78
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Giving that we're toying with the idea of relegation here for united....

    How do you feel about the possibility of crystal palace or Burnley getting champions league football next season?


  • #79
    jaykay74
    Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    thomasj wrote: »
    How do you feel about the possibility of crystal palace or Burnley getting champions league football next season?

    I dunno, maybe a topic for another thread?


  • #80
    thomasj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭thomasj


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    I dunno, maybe a topic for another thread?

    My point is the same league that has united 2 points off relegation , and Spurs 4 points off relegation has crystal palace and Burney a win off a champions league spot.

    Can you take a premier league table that after only 8 games is showing this sort of trend seriously ?

    2 wins in the next 2 matches against Liverpool (I know lala land) and Norwich could have them in the top 6!


  • #81
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    Man Utd have only managed to achieve a total of 33 shots on target in this seasons Premier League.
    Man City have scored 27 actual goals in the same time frame.


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  • #82
    sky88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    As usual with Neville these days some sense but mostly papering over the ole sized.

    We all know that the board have been crap but surely most people realise that a manager who’s success is at molde and relegated Cardiff is not good enough

    All these ex players are making themselves extremely unlikeale to me past few years

    https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1181106634527051782?s=21


  • #83
    jaykay74
    Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    thomasj wrote: »
    My point is the same league that has united 2 points off relegation , and Spurs 4 points off relegation has crystal palace and Burney a win off a champions league spot.

    Can you take a premier league table that after only 8 games is showing this sort of trend seriously ?

    2 wins in the next 2 matches against Liverpool (I know lala land) and Norwich could have them in the top 6!

    8 games is a short cycle but if you have watched the 8 games you'll notice we don't make chances, we don't score goals, we don't have options to change that due to the squad makeup. In our last 10 matches we have scored either 0 or 1 goal, that is probably lower than it will average over a 38 game season but we won't score enough goals to make top 6 or potentially even top 10.

    Ole has nearly had half a season as permanent manager and in that time has shown relegation type stats. I think we will finish somewhere 8-14th with our defence saving us.


  • #84
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    From the article linked earlier:
    Put in charge of a project destined to fail is one thing, but Solskjaer has fallen short of even the barest minimums during his reign
    Something easily forgotten by some people. You can talk about putting a roof on expectations during a rebuild, but there should be a floor as well and Ole has fallen right through it.


  • #85
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,978 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    thomasj wrote: »
    My point is the same league that has united 2 points off relegation , and Spurs 4 points off relegation has crystal palace and Burney a win off a champions league spot.

    Can you take a premier league table that after only 8 games is showing this sort of trend seriously ?

    2 wins in the next 2 matches against Liverpool (I know lala land) and Norwich could have them in the top 6!

    Has the form from last season gone out to the window also this run is not based on 8 games but since he was made permanent as the manager

    We can't even say we are getting bad luck or keepers are having stormers we literally create nothing going forward

    Lukaku and Fellaini offered goals and some very important goals these were scapegoats who were not replaced and look at the impact


  • #86
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    The biggest problem for Ole, as I see it, is his lack of credentials and the fact that no United fan should reasonably trust the owners on any capacity when it comes to their motives (and competency)for hiring him. Woodward/Glazers have been clueless since they have had to take over the reigns , every football related decision with managers and transfers and non existent football strategies has been an abject failure.

    To spend as much as they have an to be in this position takes some amount of incompetency but they’ve bucked the trend. Were we run by fans , like Barca or Madrid, Woodward would of been gone after his first transfer summer when he fumbled about all summer and then paid more for a player who available cheaper earlier on in the season. This proved without doubt that Fellaini wasn’t a top target and pretty much set out going forward how damaging Woodward was going to be to the clubs ambitions.

    How many players have been properly scouted ? (Why are the joining?) What are players promised when they join and are these realistic targets ? (EPL challange etc?) How many players were ones the manager wanted? How much does Woodward interfere? Who decided last season not to back Jose? What credentials did they have to make that call? These are big questions. All we need to do is look at Chelsea and now Liverpool and ask ourselves how can these clubs do so much better with similar to less budgets? Hell even Leicester city have won a league and are now in great shape , even though we bought one of their best defenders.

    There really is absolutely NO other explanation then the club is being run very very poorly. You have to be completely stupid to think the problems since SAF retired are all just bad managers and every player they have signed somehow are just not good enough. The issues are obviously so much deeper then that.


  • #87
    chrislad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    I'm travelling over for the Brighton game on the 10th Nov. I was hoping for a win. After this weekend, I'm hoping we don't get hammered!


  • #88
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    I must say there are also some turncoats in here who are now preaching impending doom when they were laughing off my posts after Ole’s “good run” and during the summer when I said this would happen.


  • #89
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    Eamonn Sweeney this morning in the independent

    "The pussyfooting of the Old Trafford old pals' brigade can't obscure the fact that their former team-mate is out of his depth"


  • #90
    Liam O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    I must say there are also some turncoats in here who are now preaching impending doom when they were laughing off my posts after Ole’s “good run” and during the summer when I said this would happen.

    As I said previously, the United fanbase outside of the matchgoing fans is toxic right now and would drag the team into old habits as soon as there was a hint of this. It's what happened with Moyes, LVG and even José. Simply smothered by bad press.

    Maybe the Liverpool fans were right to be as deluded as they were all those years as it seems to have made them immune to any inward criticism whereas United fans only seem happy to try drag the team down. Maybe it's because they've never had to stick with them through a bad patch and have gotten every manager since Fergie out within 2 and a bit seasons with the pressure because they don't like the process of building something. I don't know and it's not directed at you. I respect your opinion on this and that it hasn't wavered. I just think that the turncoats as you call them are as much a problem as anything at times.


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    thomasj wrote: »
    My point is the same league that has united 2 points off relegation , and Spurs 4 points off relegation has crystal palace and Burney a win off a champions league spot.

    Can you take a premier league table that after only 8 games is showing this sort of trend seriously ?

    2 wins in the next 2 matches against Liverpool (I know lala land) and Norwich could have them in the top 6!

    Correct. Nobody was relegated after 8 games, nobody ever was champion after 8 games. A lot of prematurity out there.

    Also, board has spent 1bn in the past few years, on players fans all thought were the greatest, but now are terrible?

    We have a saying: Rome was not built in one day.

    I am old enough to remember that if you exclusion the miracle that was Alex F, this is the level for Man Uted, bob around top half, champions about 1 year in ten, a couple of times relegate.


  • #92
    jaykay74
    Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Correct. Nobody was relegated after 8 games, nobody ever was champion after 8 games. A lot of prematurity out there.

    Also, board has spent 1bn in the past few years, on players fans all thought were the greatest, but now are terrible?

    We have a saying: Rome was not built in one day.

    I am old enough to remember that if you exclusion the miracle that was Alex F, this is the level for Man Uted, bob around top half, champions about 1 year in ten, a couple of times relegate.

    Dont remember either of these. There was a relegation in the 70s and before that when ? prewar ? Champions one year in 10? There was basically the Ferguson glut and a couple of Busby eras but no occasional titles :confused:


  • #93
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack


    Please continue to ignore the consistent terrible form since February


  • #94
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Please continue to ignore the consistent terrible form since February

    Stats seem to show that since being appointed full time manager in March Ole has managed 21 games with an average of 1.14 points per game.

    Its absolutely relegation form, at Manchester United!

    With the biggest problem being that it is over 2 seasons, because the fact that a full pre-season could not address the issues mean that they are fundamental to his ability rather than just being a bad run of games.


  • #95
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    There doesn’t seem to be any leaders in the squad either. it just seams to be Ole then a load of haircut individuals with Ashley young annoying them and trying to cause a fight with anybody who will tackle him.


    Players who you would think could show some leadership like matic and mata seem just as lost as anybody else.

    Some sort of structure is needed. You used to have a captain then you’d have a main man in defence midfield and up front we had mctominay complaining to Fred for not closing down a fella on the edge of the box yesterday and Fred looking at him like he didn’t get the memo.

    It’s like the football is just a distraction from the pr and marketing. An inconvenience.

    When the asked de Gea what needs to change and he said I don’t know, I thought to myself ask him who the noodle partner is in singapore and there is more chance of getting the right answer.


  • #96
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    There is so much wrong at the club. Whomever is letting contracts get down to the last year / 6 months before negotiations seems to properly begin needs sacking. Same person is probably the person who gave the ludicrous sanchez contract, and Rashford's one too.

    They badly miss Herrera, or a Herrera type player. That was evident when he got injured in February. 8 wins in 9 with him. Something like 4 in 12 without him after.

    He wasn't the best passer, tackler, dribbler, shooter, or the best at any one thing. But he set the tempo, and he had just enough quality in the important attributes that he could do an important job and set the platform for the more technically proficiient players (Pogba, Mata) to have time and space to do their work, and his energy would lend itself to Matic and McTominay as they went about firefighting.

    He should by all rights, be there and be the club captain, but someone dropped a clanger while feeling great that they've tied down Jones, Smalling, Young for another while


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  • #97
    Liam O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    This is honestly better in terms of what's needed for a full rebuild imo. You think there would be any meaningful investment if top 4 was looking likely or achieved? Now they'll have to stump up as their model the last 2 summers has sent the club into a tailspin. Spending less than 100m net over the last 2 summers is a joke considering where United were and where their competitors were. But now that can't continue surely?


  • #98
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    A move for Pochettino might suit both clubs now. Only Leavey would look a ransom for him even though the spurs players have clearly downed tools. Even though I support City , UTD are much more palatable then the red scouse. How Ferguson kept teams motivated year after year was truly phenomenal.


  • #99
    clubberlang12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭clubberlang12


    BDI wrote: »
    There doesn’t seem to be any leaders in the squad either. it just seams to be Ole then a load of haircut individuals with Ashley young annoying them and trying to cause a fight with anybody who will tackle him.


    Players who you would think could show some leadership like matic and mata seem just as lost as anybody else.

    Some sort of structure is needed. You used to have a captain then you’d have a main man in defence midfield and up front we had mctominay complaining to Fred for not closing down a fella on the edge of the box yesterday and Fred looking at him like he didn’t get the memo.

    It’s like the football is just a distraction from the pr and marketing. An inconvenience.

    When the asked de Gea what needs to change and he said I don’t know, I thought to myself ask him who the noodle partner is in singapore and there is more chance of getting the right answer.

    I'm sorry, but this is some change of tune. This is the stuff you scoffed at when it has been brought up. Only yesterday you said you'd even be happy with 16th place finish as you were happy with the intended direction of the club. I genuinely not sure if you are trying to troll this thread, as I've never seen such a turnaround of opinion in the space of hours!!

    Some of us have been questioning this manager abd squad since before the end of last season.......and were labelled "doom merchants". All because we actually looked at the performances with our own eyes, rather than using ridiculous stats to try and excuse those performances. This may only be hitting home to some like yourself now, but others here have been afraid this was going to be the case for months now.


  • #100
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,033 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I really dont get this change of direction thing. Theres clearly none. No new style of football, no leaders emerging, no fight.


  • #101
    Anaya Numerous Six-pack
    Posts: 0 ✭ Anaya Numerous Six-pack




    Cringe inducing


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