US Open 2020

MrKingsley · 07-09-2020 8:19am

Didn’t know “reckless hitting” was the rule. I imagine that’s what the conversation was about. To determine whether or not it was indeed reckless. I think it’s harsh but understand completely how the umpire and referee came to that conclusion.

Don’t agree with anyone saying that there will/should be an asterik beside the winners name at all. Would there have been one beside Djokovics if he had strolled it?

Rob2D · 07-09-2020 9:17am

glasso wrote: »

are you over 75?

the ball was not going very quickly, at all.

Ah, yeah it was. There must be nearly 10 metres between him and her and the ball gets there in less than a second.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

His backswing was less than a foot, you can't generate much power with that no matter who you are.

A shot with a one foot back swing is not a shot hit in anger.

You've clearly never spent much time on a tennis court.

walshb · 07-09-2020 9:22am

Was the line judge involved in any “dubious” call during the game lost/match?

Or just happened to be in the line of fire?

whiterebel · 07-09-2020 9:59am

Djokovic very nearly defaulted in the French in 2016. Threw down the racquet near the back of the court, and it just missed the line judge. Nalbandian lost Queens (?) for kicking the box at the line judges feet. Shapavalov at 17 when he flaked the ball into the judges eye. Djokovics discussion at the end was shameful to me....” She doesn't have to go to the hospital for this." He added: "You're going to choose a default in this situation? My career, Grand Slam, centre stage." Me, me, me......

07-09-2020 10:03am

Rob2D wrote: »

Ah, yeah it was. There must be nearly 10 metres between him and her and the ball gets there in less than a second.

You've clearly never spent much time on a tennis court.

Agreed. Some quick maths suggests that the ball is going at about 30-40 km/h. Anyone who doesn't think that that can cause someone to feel pain has never been on a tennis court or has at least never been hit by a tennis ball.

MrKingsley · 07-09-2020 10:10am

I really think that it was a combination of shock and the area of impact that mad it look so bad for the line judge. Not necessarily the pace of the ball.

If it had hit her on her arm would the same punishment have been given? I mean he clearly didn’t aim at her throat.

Or as a poster previously asked, if he had hit it way harder and it just hit the advertising signs then would’ve he been kicked out?

whiterebel · 07-09-2020 10:14am

MrKingsley wrote: »

I really think that it was a combination of shock and the area of impact that mad it look so bad for the line judge. Not necessarily the pace of the ball.

If it had hit her on her arm would the same punishment have been given? I mean he clearly didn’t aim at her throat.

Or as a poster previously asked, if he had hit it way harder and it just hit the advertising signs then would’ve he been kicked out?

It’s not that difficult. Once you hit someone with a reckless swing, you’re out. If you hit it violently at the hoarding, its a warning.
I was hit in the eye with a ball lobbed from the far end, giving the ball back to serve, and I was literally poleaxed. A gentle hit back, I was flat out, and I’m 6'2" and 118kgs

07-09-2020 10:14am

MrKingsley wrote: »

I really think that it was a combination of shock and the area of impact that mad it look so bad for the line judge. Not necessarily the pace of the ball.

If it had hit her on her arm would the same punishment have been given? I mean he clearly didn’t aim at her throat.

Or as a poster previously asked, if he had hit it way harder and it just hit the advertising signs then would’ve he been kicked out?

Yeah I doubt he would have gotten the same punishment. In my opinion though he should, regardless of whether he hit someone or not, where he hit them, how hard he hit the ball etc. If he hits a ball without looking towards an area where there's likely to be someone there, he should be defaulted.

EagererBeaver · 07-09-2020 10:15am

MrKingsley wrote: »

I really think that it was a combination of shock and the area of impact that mad it look so bad for the line judge. Not necessarily the pace of the ball.

If it had hit her on her arm would the same punishment have been given? I mean he clearly didn’t aim at her throat.

Or as a poster previously asked, if he had hit it way harder and it just hit the advertising signs then would’ve he been kicked out?

Clearly not. He'd probably have been given a code violation and warning given he got away with smashing a ball to the side in the previous game when he lost from being 0-40 up. The fact is the rule specifically refers to hitting perks, which is what he did.

If he'd hit her on the arm, he should have been thrown out as well. Whether he would have been is a different question.

lostcat · 07-09-2020 10:17am

so whos the favourite now? Thiem, Medvedev and (maybe) Zverev must be practicing with renewed vigor this morning.

whiterebel · 07-09-2020 10:19am

lostcat wrote: »

so whos the favourite now? Thiem, Medvedev and (maybe) Zverev must be practicing with renewed vigor this morning.

I do like Berratini. If Thiem doesn’t do it now, he never will.

MrKingsley · 07-09-2020 10:25am

whiterebel wrote: »

It’s not that difficult. Once you hit someone with a reckless swing, you’re out. If you hit it violently at the hoarding, its a warning.
I was hit in the eye with a ball lobbed from the far end, giving the ball back to serve, and I was literally poleaxed. A gentle hit back, I was flat out, and I’m 6'2" and 118kgs

I’ve played tennis for over 20 years and have been hit plenty of times. It’s unpleasant and can of course be dangerous. Would he have been kicked out it if hit her on the arm though? I’m not so sure

I’m my mind hitting a ball full pelt at the hoardings is far more reckless than was he did. But anyway. He’s out and by the letter of the law it is the correct decision

byronbay2 · 07-09-2020 10:27am

EagererBeaver wrote: »

If he'd hit her on the arm, he should have been thrown out as well. Whether he would have been is a different question.

I am pretty certain that Djokovic (or any player) would have been defaulted for playing the shot he did and hitting any official on any part of their body. Fairly easy decision, imo.

dominatinMC · 07-09-2020 10:47am

lostcat wrote: »

so whos the favourite now? Thiem, Medvedev and (maybe) Zverev must be practicing with renewed vigor this morning.

Would love to see Thiem win it, he's been consistently knocking on the Grand Slam door for the last few years. Would be a bit mad to see him win his first Grand Slam on HC, as opposed to clay - maybe that's a testament to Nadals ownership of that surface! Anyway, he has a tough opponent next in Auger-Aliassime, if he beats him, I can see Thiem going all the way

lostcat · 07-09-2020 11:19am

I would have preferred to see one of the lads beat Djokovic or Nadal on their way to their first slam, for an official 'changing of the guard' moment. However, a new winner is still going to change the dynamics of the tour, hopefyully everyone will gain confidence from it.

I constantly have to remind myself that Thiem is 27, the next gen guys are all 22-23 at this stage.

Royale with Cheese · 07-09-2020 11:20am

From having three set points to Carreno Busta serving for the set to being disqualified, all the in the space of about 10 minutes. Things fell apart fairly rapidly for Djokovic there.

07-09-2020 11:25am

Rob2D wrote: »

Ah, yeah it was. There must be nearly 10 metres between him and her and the ball gets there in less than a second.

you said that he hit it harder than your forehand so you are clearly over 75

Rob2D wrote: »

As someone else here pointed out earlier, an aimless tap from Novak probably has more force behind it than most forehands you and I would hit.

as you can't hit a forehand harder than this shot?

I'm actually surprised that she didn't avoid it really by seeing it coming - must have be staring off somewhere.

it hit her and the rules are the rules etc. yes but let's not get hyperbolic on the speed of the ball and saying that it was hit harder than normal people's forehands which is complete rubbish (unless you are over 75 as stated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtpfrhiV8G8

BagheeraBlue · 07-09-2020 11:40am

ha oscar worthy performance from the line judge the absolute snowflake but the rules are the rules and he should be disqualified

lostcat · 07-09-2020 11:47am

glasso wrote: »

I'm actually surprised that she didn't avoid it really by seeing it coming - must have be staring off somewhere.

ah look, a lot of people (inc a few on here) don't like Djokovic and enjoy his various misfortunes, perhaps ocasionally overstating his intent in the process

but a linesperson shouldn't have to to continuously 'keep an eye' on a player in case they let fly with a loose ball! her reaction (i.e. shock) was a perfectly normal one from someone who had, out of the blu been hit in the throat by a missile.

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2020 11:51am

Rob2D wrote: »

You've clearly never spent much time on a tennis court.

:rolleyes:

You said Djokovics tap was more powerful than an average persons forehand.
So your forehand is 30-40km/hr is it ??

His backswing was less than a foot on a static tennis ball, you can't generate much power on that, its the laws of physics .
The ball looks like its beginning to drop in height just before it hits the judge ,thats how weak a shot it is.

07-09-2020 11:57am

lostcat wrote: »

ah look, a lot of people (inc a few on here) don't like Djokovic and enjoy his various misfortunes, perhaps ocasionally overstating his intent in the process

but a linesperson shouldn't have to to continuously 'keep an eye' on a player in case they let fly with a loose ball! her reaction (i.e. shock) was a perfectly normal one from someone who had, out of the blu been hit in the throat by a missile.

I said that I was surprised that she didn't see the ball coming -> in her peripheral vision.

I didn't say that she should be watching the players.

She was hit but a 4 movement collapse did look a bit dramatic.

lostcat · 07-09-2020 12:28pm

glasso wrote: »

I said that I was surprised that she didn't see the ball coming -> in her peripheral vision.

I didn't say that she should be watching the players.

She was hit but a 4 movement collapse did look a bit dramatic.

That's fair enough

07-09-2020 12:34pm

glasso wrote: »

are you over 75?

the ball was not going very quickly, at all.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

:rolleyes:

You said Djokovics tap was more powerful than an average persons forehand.
So your forehand is 30-40km/hr is it ??

His backswing was less than a foot on a static tennis ball, you can't generate much power on that, its the laws of physics .
The ball looks like its beginning to drop in height just before it hits the judge ,thats how weak a shot it is.

It's so obvious in this thread which people actually play tennis. :pac:

From a quick Google the fastest the average 12 year old can throw a tennis ball is about the same as how hard Djokovic hit the ball. I'd recommend both of you find a 12 year old and have them throw a tennis ball at your throat as best they can from a similar distance and see how you feel afterwards. Better yet, try taking it in your, eh, private area (which Djokovic could easily have done as he wasn't looking) and see if you feel fine afterwards.

Besides, as other have said, it shouldn't matter how hard he hit it. It's not up to him to determine the pain threshold or reaction time of a line judge. What he did was dangerous and should be a default regardless of whether the line judge overreacted and was or was not in as much pain as she seemed to suggest. A two-legged tackle in football can completely miss the opposing player and still be considered a red card because it was reckless and dangerous.

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2020 1:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's so obvious in this thread which people actually play tennis. :pac:

Myself and Glasso will have to challenge yourself and Rob2D to a game so .
Even with a bad back and dodgy knees I think we'd put up a decent showing.:)

07-09-2020 1:15pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Myself and Glasso will have to challenge yourself and Rob2D to a game so .
Even with a bad back and dodgy knees I think we'd put up a decent showing.:)

Easily solved. :pac:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/454140/First_Person_Tennis__The_Real_Tennis_Simulator/#:~:text=First%20Person%20Tennis-,is%20the%20first%20tennis%20simulator%20developed%20for%20HTC%20Vive%2C%20Oculus,your%20technical%20and%20tactical%20skills.

07-09-2020 1:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's so obvious in this thread which people actually play tennis. :pac:

From a quick Google the fastest the average 12 year old can throw a tennis ball is about the same as how hard Djokovic hit the ball. I'd recommend both of you find a 12 year old and have them throw a tennis ball at your throat as best they can from a similar distance and see how you feel afterwards. Better yet, try taking it in your, eh, private area (which Djokovic could easily have done as he wasn't looking) and see if you feel fine afterwards.

Besides, as other have said, it shouldn't matter how hard he hit it. It's not up to him to determine the pain threshold or reaction time of a line judge. What he did was dangerous and should be a default regardless of whether the line judge overreacted and was or was not in as much pain as she seemed to suggest. A two-legged tackle in football can completely miss the opposing player and still be considered a red card because it was reckless and dangerous.

oh my gawd, not you... of all the most pointless posters on boards, it's the most pointless one of all.

I play tennis.

that ball was not going fast.

the point the other poster made was that it had more force than "most forehands you and I would hit" - that was the point.

it's not.

what 12 year olds throwing tennis balls has to do with anything I don't know or care and have no intention going down a fecking "Aristotle" tangent blackhole like the poor bashtards yesterday evening had to endure

07-09-2020 1:23pm

glasso wrote: »

oh my gawd, not you... of all the most pointless posters on boards, it's the most pointless one of all.

Wow you really do like having an argument up until the point that someones starts arguing back don't you? Maybe stick to helping out the Facebook moms in the laptop forum so you can feel special if you can't handle anyone criticising your opinion after you have criticised someone elses?

glasso wrote: »

what 12 year olds throwing tennis balls has to do with anything I don't know or care

It's quite clear the point I was making. If you don't have a response to it, my suggestion is don't reply rather than whining like a child.

If you think you would not feel pain after been hit in your special area by a 40 km/hr tennis ball, good for you.

07-09-2020 1:34pm

Oh don't cry now.

At least I actually provide some useful advice not just being the boards waste of space / uber-tangent master

07-09-2020 1:39pm

glasso wrote: »

Oh don't cry now.

At least I actually provide some useful advice not just being the boards waste of space / uber-tangent master

Excellent off tangent irrelevant reply. Reported.

And yes telling someone to go look on Amazon for a printer is incredibly helpful and insightful.

And don't worry I know where I can buy a 30 cent handwipe for my tears.

We're in a tennis forum, stick to the discussion at hand please. What would be your opinion if he had hit a guy in his special area instead at that speed?

07-09-2020 2:08pm

oh please - you jump in with irrelevant points and tangents on discussions that you aren't involved in at all all over boards (as here now)- look at the pure muck that you dragged people into on this Tennis forum yesterday evening for example - pages of pure drivel.

07-09-2020 2:26pm

glasso wrote: »

oh please - you jump in with irrelevant points and tangents on discussions that you aren't involved in at all all over boards (as here now)- look at the pure muck that you dragged people into on this Tennis forum yesterday evening for example - pages of pure drivel.

I wasn't in the tennis forum yesterday, but I do appreciate your stalking.

And it's pretty obvious that you didn't have anything to add yourself yesterday, you just typed anything just so that you could attack me because bullying gets you off or something.

If you're not going to actually reply with anything more tennis related in this thread, perhaps go back to hiding in the laptop forum like a good boy, and also perhaps stop following me around on Boards like a weirdo.

Anyway, back on topic. Has there been any statement by the line judge yet?

07-09-2020 2:42pm

the obscene drivel starting a number of pages back on this very thread.

I don't follow anyone around boards

you just seem to be everywhere

07-09-2020 2:44pm

glasso wrote: »

the obscene drivel starting 2 pages back on this thread.

I don't follow anyone around boards

you just seem to be everywhere

TENNIS. We're in the tennis forum. Enough of the drivel. Go learn some punctuation if you've nothing to contribute.

07-09-2020 2:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

TENNIS. We're in the tennis forum. Enough of the drivel. Go learn some punctuation if you've nothing to contribute.

Actually it's the Racquet Sports forum.

Anyway I've added you to ignore (first ever!) now so life will be easier.

07-09-2020 2:53pm

glasso wrote: »

Actually it's the Racquet Sports forum.

Anyway I've added you to ignore (first ever!) now so life will be easier.

I've tried about five times now to bring the topic back to tennis and you haven't tried once. You really are petulant child who doesn't like the idea of ever being wrong.

And don't worry, you've been in my ignore list for a while now.

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2020 2:58pm

07-09-2020 3:01pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

There's only way we can settle this - a bra and panties match! :pac:

lostcat · 07-09-2020 3:08pm

well, whatever about GOAT debates and all that, I would like to be the first to commend Mr. Djokovic for injecting some much needed life into this forum....no one else seems to be able to do it quite as well..

yerwanthere123 · 07-09-2020 3:35pm

lostcat wrote: »

well, whatever about GOAT debates and all that, I would like to be the first to commend Mr. Djokovic for injecting some much needed life into this forum....no one else seems to be able to do it quite as well..

It's weird, the Djokovic incident has caused more discussion than the entire tournament so far. I know the US Open is all very weird this year but I've gotten used to no crowds and I'm enjoying it.

I don't really feel there's much to debate with the Djokovic incident tbh, it was quite clearly a breach of the rules and warranted an immediate default. Yes it was obviously an accident, but he's old enough and experienced enough now to know better. In the long run I don't think it'll be too damaging to him, what Shapovalov did was much worse and it's long since been forgotten. He'll be kicking himself for how stupid he was though, and missing out on what may have been one of the easiest slam wins of his career.

07-09-2020 3:57pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

It's weird, the Djokovic incident has caused more discussion than the entire tournament so far. I know the US Open is all very weird this year but I've gotten used to no crowds and I'm enjoying it.

I don't really feel there's much to debate with the Djokovic incident tbh, it was quite clearly a breach of the rules and warranted an immediate default.

Agreed. I think the reason it's created a lot of discussion is because it's made headline news and so a lot of people who only occasionally watch/play tennis and who don't know the rules have become interested in the decision and decided to question if it shouldn't have been a default because it was an accident, not excessive etc, even though none of those matter and there isn't anything to debate about.

RosyLily · 07-09-2020 4:00pm

Great to see so many on the forum but let's keep the personal insults out please.

lostcat · 07-09-2020 9:41pm

RosyLily wrote: »

Great to see so many on the forum but let's keep the personal insults out please.

cripes, that fairly killed things!

whiterebel · 07-09-2020 9:47pm

Thiem giving FAA a lesson at the moment.

AllForIt · 07-09-2020 9:57pm

glasso wrote: »

I'm actually surprised that she didn't avoid it really by seeing it coming - must have be staring off somewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtpfrhiV8G8

If you look at the very first second of the clip you can see that she was in the process of rising upright from looking down the line in a bent over position. The second she was fully upright that's when she was hit, so it wasn't a case she was just standing there day-dreaming.

07-09-2020 10:06pm

AllForIt wrote: »

If you look at the very first second of the clip you can see that she was in the process of rising upright from looking down the line in a bent over position. The second she was fully upright that's when she was hit, so it wasn't a case she was just standing there day-dreaming.

well it was more about the fact that the ball wasn't going that quickly so that would have expected her peripheral vision would have caught it so she might have moved a bit.

mzungu · 07-09-2020 10:10pm

Thiem steamrolling FAA at this stage.

Shapovalov through in four.

AllForIt · 07-09-2020 10:38pm

glasso wrote: »

well it was more about the fact that the ball wasn't going that quickly so that would have expected her peripheral vision would have caught it so she might have moved a bit.

Well, I don't know what your definition of 'fast' is but I'd say from the point the ball left his racquet to the point it hit was a fraction of a second.

07-09-2020 11:01pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Well, I don't know what your definition of 'fast' is but I'd say from the point the ball left his racquet to the point it hit was a fraction of a second.

even the average human has a fairly quick visual reaction time tbh -> 0.25 seconds

https://backyardbrains.com/experiments/reactiontime#:~:text=The%20average%20reaction%20time%20for,seconds%20for%20a%20touch%20stimulus.

AllForIt · 08-09-2020 12:31am

glasso wrote: »

even the average human has a fairly quick visual reaction time tbh -> 0.25 seconds

https://backyardbrains.com/experiments/reactiontime#:~:text=The%20average%20reaction%20time%20for,seconds%20for%20a%20touch%20stimulus.

I accept that but I still think you're stubbornly not taking into account the factors of the situation I laid out earlier.

The article you linked says noting about an element of surprise in comparison to being alert.

Novak had his back to her and then suddenly swung around and whacked it in her direction just when she was standing upright.

I have a feeling we might just go round in circles with this so I'll leave it there. Your welcome to comment further but I don't think you'll ever accept what I'm saying.

08-09-2020 1:10am

I get what you're saying

either way she didn't move!

mess of a situation anyways

fully accept that the rules are as they are and it was a rash move on his part

Was Djokovic's slam the way things were looking - he was looking solid

Would like to see Shapovalov show something - if he's going to be a top player he has an opportunity here

US Open 2020

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