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EirSport secure the broadcast rights to the Guinness PRO14

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  • #52
    Wheeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭Wheeker


    Former Former wrote: »
    Well, the whole point of Eir Sport is to get people to switch their broadband provider over to them, why not do that?
    Well I suppose historically NTL/UPC/Virgin Media has always had much faster broadband than Eir(com). I'm on 240mb at the mo with VM whereas Eir can only offer up to 100mb. But yeah, I hear you, switching to Eir looks to be my only option..... Having said that I've always had an IP "landline" phone from VM- I've no traditional landline connection so I may have to pay for a line installation as well...... :(


  • #53
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Wheeker wrote: »
    Well I suppose historically NTL/UPC/Virgin Media has always had much faster broadband than Eir(com). I'm on 240mb at the mo with VM whereas Eir can only offer up to 100mb. But yeah, I hear you, switching to Eir looks to be my only option..... Having said that I've always had an IP "landline" phone from VM- I've no traditional landline connection so I may have to pay for a line installation as well...... :(
    Nothing historical about it, Virgin still has much faster broadband than Eir.


  • #54
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    People switching to Eir for this deal are in for a nasty surprise - you will never come across a more incompetent, utterly useless shower of bastards. Once they have your cash, good luck getting anything resolved with them.

    Streaming all the way for me anyway, they will never get another cent of my money no matter what tricks they pull.


  • #55
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Wheeker wrote: »
    Well I suppose historically NTL/UPC/Virgin Media has always had much faster broadband than Eir(com). I'm on 240mb at the mo with VM whereas Eir can only offer up to 100mb. But yeah, I hear you, switching to Eir looks to be my only option..... Having said that I've always had an IP "landline" phone from VM- I've no traditional landline connection so I may have to pay for a line installation as well...... :(

    Do you need 240 MB though? I switched from Virgin 240 to Eircom up to 100 (usually works out 90+) and haven't noticed any discernible difference.

    Pretty much every house in the country has an Eircom line, it only needs to be activated.


  • #56
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Streaming all the way for me anyway, they will never get another cent of my money no matter what tricks they pull.

    When people just steal what they want, everything is bad value in comparison.


  • #57
    The Specialist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Former Former wrote: »
    When people just steal what they want, everything is bad value in comparison.


    Sign up to Eir and let us know if you're still using the word "value" in about 3 months ;)


  • #58
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Sign up to Eir and let us know if you're still using the word "value" in about 3 months ;)

    Signed up 6 months ago...
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105739926&postcount=215

    Still very happy with the decision to move.


  • #59
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Being with EIR 2 years - great value for money...Sky have better TV platform but in terms of bang for your buck EIR is the best...


  • #60
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    You can also get eir sports with sky without having to actually join eir..
    It's only virgin that wouldn't deal


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  • #61
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm happy enough to be able to drop Sky Sports and get all the rugby through Eir/BT, though maybe after the summer tours are over!


  • #62
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Several questions here! Would greatly appreciate some or all answers!

    I am currently on Virgin. 70 p/m there or there abouts. Light broadband usage. Netflix is the heaviest traffic it sees. Is Eir significantly worse? (Dublin area)

    What are the standard channels like on Eir TV? Is HD an option?

    Is the Champions Cup exclusively on BT or do Sky Sports still have some?

    Can you get Eir/ BT on Sky? How much is Sky p/m? (TV and broadband)

    Eir offering 50p/m for 1 year and 96 p/m after. Not too bad a deal given I will be watching 10+ games a month on Eir and BT

    Whichever way I look at it, I am switching from Virgin, not thrilled about it as I find them quite good. But their lack of rugby now means it's time to switch. Pity.

    I don't watch, nor have I any interest in watching, Soccer, Golf, F1, Kabbadi or any other sport these companies want to pedal me. If it is on I will watch it, but the only thing I want to watch and will pay for is Rugby


  • #63
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Hurrache wrote: »
    But I'm extremely important and demand packages tailored to me god dammit!!

    Me too god dammit!

    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Have my broadband through my employer so no choice for me. I’ll have to use Premier Sports

    Possible to get it in Ireland without resorting to nefarious IP shenanigans??

    Former Former wrote: »
    Pretty much every house in the country has an Eircom line, it only needs to be activated.

    Yes, but some of us are so far from an exchange that dial up would be faster.


  • #64
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Possible to get it in Ireland without resorting to nefarious IP shenanigans??

    Don't think so


  • #65
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Don't think so

    We may have to discuss this further via PM ;)


  • #66
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Is it confirmed that said ip shenanigans will work with Premier Rugby? They don't work with BBC, for example.


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  • #67
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    Is it confirmed that said ip shenanigans will work with Premier Rugby? They don't work with BBC, for example.

    They absolutely do, if you are inclined to perform your own shenanigans.


  • #68
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Yes, but some of us are so far from an exchange that dial up would be faster.

    But do any such people have access to Virgin?


  • #69
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Several questions here! Would greatly appreciate some or all answers!

    I am currently on Virgin. 70 p/m there or there abouts. Light broadband usage. Netflix is the heaviest traffic it sees. Is Eir significantly worse? (Dublin area)

    What are the standard channels like on Eir TV? Is HD an option?

    Is the Champions Cup exclusively on BT or do Sky Sports still have some?

    Can you get Eir/ BT on Sky? How much is Sky p/m? (TV and broadband)

    Eir offering 50p/m for 1 year and 96 p/m after. Not too bad a deal given I will be watching 10+ games a month on Eir and BT

    Whichever way I look at it, I am switching from Virgin, not thrilled about it as I find them quite good. But their lack of rugby now means it's time to switch. Pity.

    I don't watch, nor have I any interest in watching, Soccer, Golf, F1, Kabbadi or any other sport these companies want to pedal me. If it is on I will watch it, but the only thing I want to watch and will pay for is Rugby

    It completely depends on your location. The issue with Sky/Eir/Vodafone broadband is it all runs off the Eircom lines. When they say you're getting Fibre broadband, it's Fibre up until the cabinet in your estate/closest to your house. From there on to the house it isn't fibre. So you could be right beside the cabinet and get the full 100mbps or depending on the run length get 10. The only way they'll be able to find out is when you activate your eircom line and they can run a speed test.

    Virgin on the other hand is fibre to the home. Hence the 240mb speeds, doesn't rely on any old lines as they fit their own.

    I used to work escalation support for one of the above, and to be honest all ISPs are as bad as each other, there's no one to beat all. And it can all completely depend on your house/location, for some people Virgin is brutal and others they get the full 240mb speed. Same with Eir/Sky/Vodafone, some get 100mb, others get DSL speeds of 4/5mb.


  • #70
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    It completely depends on your location. The issue with Sky/Eir/Vodafone broadband is it all runs off the Eircom lines. When they say you're getting Fibre broadband, it's Fibre up until the cabinet in your estate/closest to your house. From there on to the house it isn't fibre. So you could be right beside the cabinet and get the full 100mbps or depending on the run length get 10. The only way they'll be able to find out is when you activate your eircom line and they can run a speed test.

    Virgin on the other hand is fibre to the home. Hence the 240mb speeds, doesn't rely on any old lines as they fit their own.

    I used to work escalation support for one of the above, and to be honest all ISPs are as bad as each other, there's no one to beat all. And it can all completely depend on your house/location, for some people Virgin is brutal and others they get the full 240mb speed. Same with Eir/Sky/Vodafone, some get 100mb, others get DSL speeds of 4/5mb.

    Cheers for the detailed response. Didn't realise that fact about Eir.

    Truth be told if they can give me a fairly consistent 40MB I am happy. I am a pretty maintenance user. It's if it starts dropping off that my patience goes

    EDIT: I am also assuming they run a Cat5/6 cable from the cabinet? I am definitely less than 100m from a cabinet so no real concern there


  • #71
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Virgin is no longer an option for many. They will shed thousands of customers over this.

    Sky will lose urban customers but possibly gain rural customers whose internet speeds are not upto scratch and thus people will have no choice but to get the sky package in order to add the eir sport channels.

    There is an option for people who have crappy rural eir broadband. If you do get/have eir broadband and sky tv you will be able to add the eir sports/bt sports for free over the satellite dish (you need to have eir broadband/landline bundle)

    Some rural people have to be with other niche broadband providers and those people will have no choice but to get sky tv plus pay the extra for eir/bt sports, so a heavy hit. They'd also have to pay Sky extra for hd.

    I live about 500m from a cabinet and am getting 65mbs download/20 up with eir and the service has been very good. I am regularly streaming 3 or 4 different things at a time and no issues.

    Like Former former it is a great deal for me with all rugby from the pro14/champions cup available for the next 3 years in HD and in English plus Champions League soccer (Ronnie Whelan is too much for me).

    Eir also have the 2019 rugby world cup plus the u20 world cup every year, so for rugby fans it is great value.

    For me I can use Now Tv to chromecast the Ire matches v Australia in the summer.


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  • #72
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Virgin is no longer an option for many. They will shed thousands of customers over this.

    Sky will lose urban customers but possibly gain rural customers whose internet speeds are not upto scratch and thus people will have no choice but to get the sky package in order to add the eir sport channels.

    There is an option for people who have crappy rural eir broadband. If you do get/have eir broadband and sky tv you will be able to add the eir sports/bt sports for free over the satellite dish (you need to have eir broadband/landline bundle)

    Some rural people have to be with other niche broadband providers and those people will have no choice but to get sky tv plus pay the extra for eir/bt sports, so a heavy hit. They'd also have to pay Sky extra for hd.

    I live about 500m from a cabinet and am getting 65mbs download/20 up with eir and the service has been very good. I am regularly streaming 3 or 4 different things at a time and no issues.

    Like Former former it is a great deal for me with all rugby from the pro14/champions cup available for the next 3 years in HD and in English plus Champions League soccer (Ronnie Whelan is too much for me).

    Eir also have the 2019 rugby world cup plus the u20 world cup every year, so for rugby fans it is great value.

    For me I can use Now Tv to chromecast the Ire matches v Australia in the summer.

    This seems enough for me. Time to switch!


  • #73
    TimHorton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭TimHorton


    Guys , Leave them all behind - IPTV is the way to go ....


  • #74
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    TimHorton wrote: »
    Guys , Leave them all behind - IPTV is the way to go ....

    If you can get a decent stable broadband service yes. Otherwise it's a nightmare.

    But then again the same can be said for Eir's TV service which is IPTV too.


  • #75
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Former Former wrote: »
    But do any such people have access to Virgin?

    Well I for one don't. We're over 2km from the cabinet so can't even get 3MB landline BB with eir. So far from the cabinet that our little corner, along with 10 or so other homes, is excluded from the national broadband plan proposed upgrade for our area. Currently paying €60 a month for Vodafone 4G BB which is completely unreliable and often drops to unusable speeds. Also paying €29 a month for basic Sky package. Eirsport will be an additional €27.50 a month.

    Instead of €40 a month for BB including Eirsport, I will have to pay almost 3 times as much to watch Pro14 next season. Ah well, the joys of living in the countryside probably outweigh the inconvenience...


  • #76
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Well I for one don't. We're over 2km from the cabinet so can't even get 3MB landline BB with eir. So far from the cabinet that our little corner, along with 10 or so other homes, is excluded from the national broadband plan proposed upgrade for our area. Currently paying €60 a month for Vodafone 4G BB which is completely unreliable and often drops to unusable speeds. Also paying €29 a month for basic Sky package. Eirsport will be an additional €27.50 a month.

    Instead of €40 a month for BB including Eirsport, I will have to pay almost 3 times as much to watch Pro14 next season. Ah well, the joys of living in the countryside probably outweigh the inconvenience...

    Where do you live, 1995?


  • #77
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Well we get 4mb with eir. I have the Eir app. Cast to TV. No Sky sub needed.


  • #78
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Where do you live, 1995?

    Lol. I moved 3 km out of town and went from 100MB with Virgin to sweet FA. It might as well be 1995!


  • #79
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    No mention of upgrading EirSport 1 to HD on satellite in their press release today - yesterday's press release for Premier Sports had all games in HD plastered all over it where as this does not mention it.


    Very disappointing if they don't upgrade to the 21st century!


  • #80
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Zzippy wrote: »

    Instead of €40 a month for BB including Eirsport, I will have to pay almost 3 times as much to watch Pro14 next season. Ah well, the joys of living in the countryside probably outweigh the inconvenience...

    It is €53 p/m for me and I think it will probably be getting more expensive with these rights after been added.

    The one advantage of going with the sky system is that you have pause, rewind, record features - something you don't have with streaming.

    Also if your broadband goes down you still have the satellite tv to watch.


  • #81
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    According to Wales Online there will be no games on Sundays - same as before.
    2/3 games on Friday nights and the rest on Saturdays.
    Contract is worth £30 million per season.
    You do wonder how eir/premier will recoup that money. Going by the article it seems the fight for the Irish rights really pushed up the value of the deal - I wonder who else competed?

    Also on a separate note C4 will show Wales' summer tour matches live - a game in Washington on June 2nd v SA and then 2 tests against Argentina.

    ...
    Overall competition income for the Welsh sides - from TV and sponsorship - will rise to more than £2m per region next season, compared with less than £1m per side two years ago;

    * That means the Welsh regions will be receiving twice the money from PRO14 that they do from EPCR;

    * Premier Sports will utilise three channels to show all seven matches lives each weekend - Premier Sports 1 & 2, plus their FreeSports channel;
    .......

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/exactly-how-much-new-guinness-14611706


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  • #82
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Re the attempts at rescheduling the Pro 14 final so it doesn't clash with a soccer game, Pro 14 CEO has said
    With anything, you want to make sure you don’t cannibalise your audience

    I think the new deal will do a pretty good job of that all by itself without outside interference.


  • #83
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I know access to the broadcasts might be a problem for some fans but this is a great deal for the teams - the revenue from TV seems to have more than doubled.

    I'm delighted as I have eir BB & TV so I have access to all CC and Pro14 games next season on the one package with the facility to record games too.


  • #84
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Celtic Park rumoured as a venue for the Pro14 final next season. Given Edinburgh's resurgence there's a better chance of a Scottish team in the final.


  • #85
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    phog wrote: »
    I know access to the broadcasts might be a problem for some fans but this is a great deal for the teams - the revenue from TV seems to have more than doubled.

    I'm delighted as I have eir BB & TV so I have access to all CC and Pro14 games next season on the one package with the facility to record games too.

    I understand the financial benefits, but the fans need to be brought along with it.

    Those already with Eir are doing great with this deal, but everyone else not so much. When I saw the deal for the UK I was thinking that's great, I'd buy into that right away.

    But looking at the Irish deal and the cost to anyone not already in the Eir platform, and who may not like soccer, it's a costly ****ty deal. Did they even consider an IPTV platform for Ireland?


  • #86
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think the IPTV part of the UK deal is just purely coincidental.


  • #87
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I understand the financial benefits, but the fans need to be brought along with it.

    Those already with Eir are doing great with this deal, but everyone else not so much. When I saw the deal for the UK I was thinking that's great, I'd buy into that right away.

    But looking at the Irish deal and the cost to anyone not already in the Eir platform, and who may not like soccer, it's a costly ****ty deal. Did they even consider an IPTV platform for Ireland?

    One of the problems for Irish fans is one of the TV Providers in Ireland refuses to carry eir Sport. If enough fans jump ship then that stance will change.


  • #88
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    True, it's hard to know what Eir would prefer though. Virgin resolute in their stance, whatever their reason, to carry Eir and therefore people will move to Eir who really want the sports package. Or if they'd like Virgin to carry Eir Sports and therefore they increase their subscribers on their Eir Sports package that way. I'm sure there's some thinking that they'd prefer the former as they'd like to see their broadband subscriber numbers increase.


  • #89
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Virgin's reason was Eir wanted to charge too much


  • #90
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Celtic Park rumoured as a venue for the Pro14 final next season. Given Edinburgh's resurgence there's a better chance of a Scottish team in the final.

    Glasgow is a bit of a hole.

    But very good place for a budget weekend.

    If it ends up there and Leinster manage to make it I'd have no qualms about going


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  • #91
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    awec wrote: »
    Virgin's reason was Eir wanted to charge too much

    So Virgin and fans alike now.


  • #92
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I understand the financial benefits, but the fans need to be brought along with it.

    Those already with Eir are doing great with this deal, but everyone else not so much. When I saw the deal for the UK I was thinking that's great, I'd buy into that right away.

    But looking at the Irish deal and the cost to anyone not already in the Eir platform, and who may not like soccer, it's a costly ****ty deal. Did they even consider an IPTV platform for Ireland?

    It's no more costly an sky sports though?

    I see your point, but the vast majority aren't just rugby focused.

    Also to get champions cup in the UK you need a second subscription to BT, while here eir is a all included..

    Every provincial game in league and Europe in one place, not too bad a deal.


  • #93
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    awec wrote: »
    Virgin's reason was Eir wanted to charge too much

    Sky were willing to accommodate them, surely it's better for virgin to just give subscribers the option anyway?


  • #94
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Sky were willing to accommodate them, surely it's better for virgin to just give subscribers the option anyway?
    That was their public reason, I guess the real reason was Eir were unwilling to give Virgin a large enough slice of the pie.


  • #95
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    So whats available next season? Champions Cup on 3, total of 9 matchs, 6 nations on 3, anything on Sky?


  • #96
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,721 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    I was working in another ISP when it was announced that they were no longer carrying BT and Eir sports, Virgin lost a ton of customers because of it. Never understood why they didn't just take it regardless of what rate was being offered by Eir, surely smaller profit and keeping customers is better than losing potential revenue and customers moving to competitors.


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  • #97
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It's no more costly an sky sports though?

    You can often get deals with Sky Sports, not always though, but you can time it for the season.

    But I suppose my main point was that it was a perfect opportunity to basically offer tailored packages, or a deal similar to the UK one.

    I know I'm in the minority but the fact that it was whatever soccer games is not interest in me, so I'll be basically be paying for a channel that never gets used for the majority of programs it will show.


  • #98
    omb0wyn5ehpij9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,095 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You can often get deals with Sky Sports, not always though, but you can time it for the season.

    You can also get deals on Eir and BT Sports too though. I have Sky TV (and specifically went for them over Virgin so that I could get Eir and BT) and pay a monthly subscription to Eir of 27.50 for the sports channels. I also had the option of paying 245 upfront for the year. In the black Friday sale last year, and the year before, a friend of mine bought a deal to add Eir and BT sport to his Sky package for 120 upfront for the year!


  • #99
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭OldRio


    roundymac wrote: »
    So whats available next season? Champions Cup on 3, total of 9 matchs, 6 nations on 3, anything on Sky?

    Eir which has BT as part of the package will have Pro14. Aviva Premiership from England. Champions Cup. Schools semis and finals.
    Sky have Top 14 from France and Super Rugby. Some Autumn Internationals
    No doubt I've missed a few but Freesat for the 6 nation's and Eir is the way to go if at all possible.


  • #100
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,942 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Eir is awful, I'm actually disappointed to hear they got the rights to the Pro 14. I'd much rather that a professional sports channels had it over these buffoons.


  • #101
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Eir is awful, I'm actually disappointed to hear they got the rights to the Pro 14. I'd much rather that a professional sports channels had it over these buffoons.

    eir sport isnt that bad..
    the telecom end fine, but they can only be praised for the amount they're willing to pump into rugby, with the pro14, and the world cup, along with all the schools,

    their coverage has improved greatly this year!


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