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Who is responsible for paying TV licence?

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  • #52
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    What if there is a TV in a house but there is no one in occupancy? It's the occupant that pays, in this case if you stored a TV in a house but were not resident there, then technically no TV licence is required?


  • #53
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    CramCycle wrote: »
    It took one, please refer to the first response :)

    "Tenant" is not a proper answer. The OP needs an official source to be sure it's correct and refer any questions from his tenants towards.

    It also avoids 4 pages of back and forth arguing.


  • #54
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    cerastes wrote: »
    What if there is a TV in a house but there is no one in occupancy? It's the occupant that pays, in this case if you stored a TV in a house but were not resident there, then technically no TV licence is required?

    Are you serious? Yes, the license is for someone in use or access to a TV for the purpose of viewing. That's why a warehouse full of TV's does not need a TV licence. The occupier has a license, not the house, not the TV. This is why when you move you transfer your license to your new address.
    Again:
    Any person in occupancy at an address where a television set is held


  • #55
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Yes, the license is for someone in use or access to a TV for the purpose of viewing. That's why a warehouse full of TV's does not need a TV licence. The occupier has a license, not the house, not the TV. This is why when you move you transfer your license to your new address.
    Again:
    Any person in occupancy at an address where a television set is held

    Yes that is a serious question, I never said move to a new address, Im querying in an unoccupied residence where a tv is located is there any licence due, because it seems the licence is very particularily the occupiers responsibility and as such where no occupier exists, then no licence required.


  • #56
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    cerastes wrote: »
    Yes that is a serious question, I never said move to a new address, Im querying in an unoccupied residence where a tv is located is there any licence due, because it seems the licence is very particularily the occupiers responsibility and as such where no occupier exists, then no licence required.

    Ok, I thought "Any person in occupancy at an address" was clear.
    To answer your question, no license is required at an unoccupied address, if there is a TV there or not.


  • #57
    lolokeogh
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭lolokeogh


    i rented for 15 years in 5 houses,and always had to pay for it myself,which was ok with me,so its down to the tenant to pay for it.


  • #58
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    Ok, I thought "Any person in occupancy at an address" was clear.
    To answer your question, no license is required at an unoccupied address, if there is a TV there or not.

    If you mean "any person in occupancy" when you mentioned it, thats after I posted.
    I've never heard anyone raise the question I did, although maybe someone who lets out holiday homes (i dont let out a holiday home or homes) has considered it? I just thought of that example, but its a more permanent version of what I was thinking.


  • #59
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    cerastes wrote: »
    If you mean "any person in occupancy" when you mentioned it, thats after I posted.
    No it wasn't, see post 49. Sorry if you didn't see it, as this is why I was surprised.

    cerastes wrote: »
    I've never heard anyone raise the question I did, although maybe someone who lets out holiday homes (i dont let out a holiday home or homes) has considered it? I just thought of that example, but its a more permanent version of what I was thinking.

    Actually, for holiday homes, as these are expected to be occupied at least sometimes, you are required to have a license.

    http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/GeneralTemplates/AboutUsStandard.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7b410EB35F-D5DD-4227-8E4F-A34AF8120B04%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fAnPost%2fMainContent%2fPersonal%2bCustomers%2fMore%2bfrom%2bAn%2bPost%2fTV%2bLicence%2fTV%2bLicence%2bFAQs%2ehtm&NRCACHEHINT=Guest#HolidayHome


  • #60
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    No it wasn't, see post 49. Sorry if you didn't see it, as this is why I was surprised.




    Actually, for holiday homes, as these are expected to be occupied at least sometimes, you are required to have a license.

    http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/GeneralTemplates/AboutUsStandard.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID=%7b410EB35F-D5DD-4227-8E4F-A34AF8120B04%7d&NRORIGINALURL=%2fAnPost%2fMainContent%2fPersonal%2bCustomers%2fMore%2bfrom%2bAn%2bPost%2fTV%2bLicence%2fTV%2bLicence%2bFAQs%2ehtm&NRCACHEHINT=Guest#HolidayHome

    as per post 49, agreed it is posted before, but I do think I'm referring to something else that most people wouldn't interpret from that anyway. It might seem pedantic but I do have a reason to enquire.


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  • #61
    lolokeogh
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭lolokeogh


    ive just made a phone call there to them on the low call number ,the lady said who ever is living in the house is the one who pays the licence.


  • #62
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    cerastes wrote: »
    as per post 49, agreed it is posted before, but I do think I'm referring to something else that most people wouldn't interpret from that anyway. It might seem pedantic but I do have a reason to enquire.

    Ok I agree it might not be specific enough. If it's a situation you're in I'd recommend calling them to be sure. They are usually easy to contact. Let us know what they say officially.


  • #63
    cerastes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭cerastes


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    Ok I agree it might not be specific enough. If it's a situation you're in I'd recommend calling them to be sure. They are usually easy to contact. Let us know what they say officially.

    No offense, I wont be contacting them, I'm sure they will come to the conclusion that a licence is needed regardless, I'm not in that exact circumstance now, but I could be.


  • #64
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    "Tenant" is not a proper answer. The OP needs an official source to be sure it's correct and refer any questions from his tenants towards.

    It also avoids 4 pages of back and forth arguing.

    Post 6 referred to Citizens info, post 17 referred to the An Post website


  • #65
    lolokeogh
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭lolokeogh


    TV Licence

    Your landlord does not have to provide you with a TV and if one is provided as part of the letting you, as user of the service will normally be responsible for the TV licence.

    Check with your landlord if you want to add an aerial/satellite as you need their permission which they cannot unreasonably refuse. You may be liable for any structural repair work caused due to the installation/removal. In apartments there may be rules prohibiting the installation of satellite dishes.

    from the treshold website

    tv licence office number 1890 252749
    me "hello im just after renting a house who pays the tv licence,me or the landlord

    lady "you do the tenant"

    .citizensinformation

    Rented accommodation
    If you are a tenant living in rented accommodation with a television you must have a television licence. This applies irrespective of who owns the television (whether the television belongs to you or the landlord). The law states that anyone resident on a premises in possession of a television set must have a television licence.


  • #66
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Post 6 referred to Citizens info, post 17 referred to the An Post website

    And "tenant" is still not a proper answer.

    Is it pedantic time waster day in here or something?


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  • #67
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    And "tenant" is still not a proper answer.

    Is it pedantic time waster day in here or something?

    The two sentences in this post are a delicious juxtaposition. :D


  • #68
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,160 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    And "tenant" is still not a proper answer.

    Is it pedantic time waster day in here or something?

    To continue the pedancy, the first post #7 says "the occupier" and#17 says "any person in occupancy"

    It was repeated several times and some kept posting up incorrect rubbish in between.

    I agree that how the thread is still going is a bit of a mystery


  • #69
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    CramCycle wrote: »
    To continue the pedancy, the first post #7 says "the occupier" and#17 says "any person in occupancy"

    It was repeated several times and some kept posting up incorrect rubbish in between.

    I agree that how the thread is still going is a bit of a mystery

    *pedantry

    Fixed that for you. :p


  • #70
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Just to quote legislation, cause we'll be all day quoting various unofficial sources:
    BROADCASTING ACT 2009 wrote:
    Section 142.— (1) Subject to the exceptions mentioned in subsection (3), a person shall not keep or have in his or her possession anywhere in the territory of the State a television set save in so far as such keeping or possession is authorised by a television licence for the time being in force.

    (2) A person having possession of a television set under a television licence shall not keep such a television set otherwise than in accordance with the terms and conditions subject to which such licence is expressly, or is by virtue of this Part deemed to have been granted.

    (3) This section does not apply to a television set, which is of a class or description for the time being declared by an order of the Minister to be a class or description of television set to which this section is not to apply.

    So it would seem that every television in the state that a person has in their possession (person can be any organisation) is required to be covered by a licence. Even those unsold and in storage, unless there's a ministerial order exempting them.


  • #71
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    catbear wrote: »
    I'm dubious about the whole internet TV license. I had the inspector call around and I invited him in to show him I didn't have a TV and he said it was alright, he believed me. He never asked if I watched TV on my laptop, which I did.

    There was plans for a new media license to cover the increase in streaming via PC's and other devices, but was canned pretty quickly, not to mention that Pat Rabbitte who was the big pusher of it, left his ministry.

    There is already mighty tension and discussions about the current TV license scheme, as it's becoming more and more a serious point of contention for electorates, paying a license for a national station who makes massive revenues from private advertising.

    There is consultancies and discussions ongoing within the Department of Comms of actually scrapping the TV license entirely.

    This thread actually reminded me I need to pay mine.


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  • #72
    dbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    TheDoc wrote: »
    There was plans for a new media license to cover the increase in streaming via PC's and other devices, but was canned pretty quickly, not to mention that Pat Rabbitte who was the big pusher of it, left his ministry.

    There is already mighty tension and discussions about the current TV license scheme, as it's becoming more and more a serious point of contention for electorates, paying a license for a national station who makes massive revenues from private advertising.

    There is consultancies and discussions ongoing within the Department of Comms of actually scrapping the TV license entirely.

    This thread actually reminded me I need to pay mine.


    Bingo ! turn off all ads and ill gladly pay a lic as well as subscribe to our national broadcaster . At least the Beeb have that over its constituents .....


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