Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours/Champions League Thread 2024/25

listermint wrote: »

Never touched the ball though. He just kicked him in the shin

I think he did. He clipped the ball with the side of his foot right before he hit Trezs shin

Corholio wrote: »

Getting the ball first isn't a thing anymore though, it still looked like he kicked him too.

Not sure. I'm just going on the fact that the ref, made a ball motion with his hands right after signalling that it wasn't given.

Patser wrote: »

Ball may have glanced off his foot, but he did not have any control of it, Trez had ball in front of him and was kicked in shin (then made a meal of it). Can't see how just because he barely tip a ball it lets you off with tripping a player after

If you get the ball then getting the player after is collateral damage, like a tackle in the middle of the field. I don't have an issue with the decision.

Lots of positives as far as I'm concerned. Should have won that match regardless of the penalty decision.

Agree that lessons need to be learned, getting done by teams who are happy enough to get numbers in defence and go for the long ball. We're playing from the back and it's all fine and well but the build up against more defensive teams is too slow to be effective.

For me Leeds was always going to be a tough game and they played perfectly against us. Brighton though, they're decent and worked hard by Villa are clearly the better team and really should have taken the 3 points here. If we can perform against other mid table teams then we might well be top 6 material.

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

I might be wrong but I think the clear and obvious thing is if VAR overrule the ref. Here they just suggested he had a look for himself and I guess he decided he was wrong. I don't think he was, but didn't have a perfect view on the replay and Trez exaggerated it which is more obvious on a replay.

I think you are wrong on this, but I haven’t read the rules in enough depth to say it with certainty.

They had videos released when VAR came out, talking about how the standards required for a decision to be reversed would be high, never heard a mention of it being different if the ref goes to look at it himself. That’s what happened of course, but that appears to be Oliver making the rules up as he goes along, and deciding to re-referee the game instead of following the standards.

Look at the standards required for them to turn a non-penalty call into a penalty. It has to be a stonewaller. They don’t reverse non-penalty calls for ones that ‘probably were penalties’. Why have they done that here for the reverse?

The getting the ball first thing isn't anywhere near like what it was. Tipping the ball away and catching the player is a foul now. There's been plenty of sliding tackles given as frees when the ball has been got first, a lot aren't too because the winning of the ball and collision with a player happens in the same momentum. March tipped the ball away and his leg kicked Trez after.

I think regardless of the penalty there was a funny malaise about the team, maybe internationals or just maybe an off day. Fine margins though, if Trez could kick the ball low in any way he scores 2 at least, he's a bit reckless in his control of shots a lot of the time. Defence was caught out too much as well, individually too, Konsa positioning is poor for the first goal.

Strange season continues to be strange.

Panrich wrote: »

The difference with the sliding tackle scenario is that usually the ball is gone in the tackle. Based on the minimal contact on the ball by March, the ball would have still been there for Trez without the trip.

You should watch it again. The ball goes to the side of Trezeguet.

I'd love to know if Smith is happy with Watkins positioning. He drifts out left way too much but I can't tell if it's unconscious or tactical

Gollini in goal for Atalanta at Anfield in the champions league tonight, currently 2 up.

JPA wrote: »

He probably should never had made the move to Villa, dropped into the championship, fairly difficult situation.

Amavi very established at left back for Marseille, also in the CL tonight. Jordan Veretout playing great for Roma in serie A as well. Gueye a regular for PSG.

There was somebody capable of spotting talent at the club, it just disappeared when they joined!

Traore and Ayew weren't bad either.

It's amazing how many of those players have went on to become full internationals and play for top clubs.
Being dropped into the championship at a young age and being expected to gel straight away was too much but some real talent there.

It was too many inexperienced players brought in together without having a spine of a team already there. I think Lescott / Richards were supposed to bring the experience and we saw how that worked out.

This is going to be a tough watch.

Jack!

Oooohhh that's nice


Edit : ok deflection made it nice

Soo close Watkins


Heard commentator say it was Hourihane's 150th Villa appearance - for roughly £3 million he has proved to be an absolute bargain, key at times in Championship, able to contribute something in PL

Need to see more from McGinn.

WTF was Mings doing at the end of the half.

Benrahma assist, the ****ing irony.