Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

kilns · 02-04-2021 1:41pm

celt262 wrote: »

An all Ireland win for Dublin this year would be tarnished due to this blatant cheating. What else are they up to apart from the obvious money advantage they have over everyone else. PED'S?

You should delete your post straight away

coolisin · 02-04-2021 1:50pm

I've kept away from this thread over the last 24hours.
I've had my head in my hands in the absolute disappointment.
The visual impact of this stupidity just tarnished everything.

The Gov will be thrilled as it takes our attention away from the mess of the vaccines, the HSE database, Pascal and his shoes with rte apologising.

These guys should've known better and used their collective minds to the of the impacts for some fitness drills and a kick about.

Do I think they are the only ones no not a chance, but they are the only ones caught. They are the only ones with a crown people want to knock.

They need to take the punishment, the potential fine from the Gardai and take it on the chin.

We have people who have not hugged another family member in over a year.
Have watched family members be buried over Skype/YouTube etc.
Trivial things like a child never seen a beach or the seaside.

They have let me down.

I'm a fan I'll support them, but now they need to suck it up and say sorry no excuses no hiding be honest.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 3:07pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Shooting the messenger now are we?

Anyway it's an irrellevance, journalists and photographers are permitted to travel as part of their work.

I'd say that photographer had a strong - Kerry/Mayo accent?

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 3:22pm

coolisin wrote: »

I've kept away from this thread over the last 24hours.
I've had my head in my hands in the absolute disappointment.
The visual impact of this stupidity just tarnished everything.

The Gov will be thrilled as it takes our attention away from the mess of the vaccines, the HSE database, Pascal and his shoes with rte apologising.

These guys should've known better and used their collective minds to the of the impacts for some fitness drills and a kick about.

Do I think they are the only ones no not a chance, but they are the only ones caught. They are the only ones with a crown people want to knock.

They need to take the punishment, the potential fine from the Gardai and take it on the chin.

We have people who have not hugged another family member in over a year.
Have watched family members be buried over Skype/YouTube etc.
Trivial things like a child never seen a beach or the seaside.

They have let me down.

I'm a fan I'll support them, but now they need to suck it up and say sorry no excuses no hiding be honest.

I assume they would have thought they could train in Inisfails because it is a bit hidden and out of the way. Ironically between to cemeteries (Fingal and Balgriffin) given the tone and nature of the issue..

Those Dublin footballers would have had to suffer not going to funerals as well, not seeing kids on skype nephews, nieces etc as well. They are not robots despite what some might think.

Personally I think those Dublin footballers involved (plus Dessie) just got bored and did not think of the consequences if caught. As they thought they were grand and hidden in inisfails.

But the DCB did the best they could out of a bad situation. Whether the Gardaí get involved now that is up to them.

rolling boh · 02-04-2021 3:40pm

Am pretty shocked how naive the lads were if they thought they could keep this among themselves whether others are doing this or that is neither here nor there it was madness to think this would go unnoticed especially in these times .Everybody knows the limits on any activity so if you ignore them you do so knowing full well you are doing so and if you are high profile expect plenty of coverage if you do overstep the limits .

Rosita · 02-04-2021 3:51pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I assume they would have thought they could train in Inisfails because it is a bit hidden and out of the way. Ironically between to cemeteries (Fingal and Balgriffin) given the tone and nature of the issue..

Those Dublin footballers would have had to suffer not going to funerals as well, not seeing kids on skype nephews, nieces etc as well. They are not robots despite what some might think.

Personally I think those Dublin footballers involved (plus Dessie) just got bored and did not think of the consequences if caught. As they thought they were grand and hidden in inisfails.

But the DCB did the best they could out of a bad situation. Whether the Gardaí get involved now that is up to them.

Hard to reconcile the idea that they "did not think of the consequences if caught" with the idea that "they thought they were grand and hidden in Inisfails". If they gave no consideration to the consequences of being caught why would they have given consideration to "being grand and hidden"?

Surely if it was just such thoughtless absent-minded boredom-therapy they'd have done it out in the open, and then said, "oops, we just forgot....as you do".

And the references to the Dublin players suffering through missing funerals and not seeing lived ones makes it more stupid not less because it removes the lack of awareness factor from the argument.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 3:57pm

Rosita wrote: »

makes it more stupid not less because it removes the lack of awareness factor from the argument.

I never said it was a clever or the right thing to do. But I feel that the level of hysteria does seem a bit OTT from some quarters. For all intents and purposes they are civilians who are members of the GAA. Plus should be punished as civilians and members of the GAA. Not persecuted, demonised and harangued.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 4:01pm

rolling boh wrote: »

Am pretty shocked how naive the lads were if they thought they could keep this among themselves whether others are doing this or that is neither here nor there it was madness to think this would go unnoticed especially in these times .Everybody knows the limits on any activity so if you ignore them you do so knowing full well you are doing so and if you are high profile expect plenty of coverage if you do overstep the limits .

Easier to get away with that type of thing if you are down the country.
Much harder in Dublin.

Sunny Disposition · 02-04-2021 4:21pm

No doubt more than four counties (including Mayo) have been guilty of breaching the rules, putting lives at risk. Sad to say, inter county should have been pulled indefinitely at the start of the pandemic. Counties were just not responsible enough to comply with the safety measures.
Black episode for the GAA.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 4:52pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

No doubt more than four counties (including Mayo) have been guilty of breaching the rules, putting lives at risk. Sad to say, inter county should have been pulled indefinitely at the start of the pandemic. Counties were just not responsible enough to comply with the safety measures.
Black episode for the GAA.

I think it is in the GAA mindset to push rules to the limit and see how much they can get away with. Appeal after appeal and the like making a farce of any rule in the first place. Getting off on some 'technicality'. The CCCC and all that craic.

Unfortunately, in this situation it literally goes well beyond the GAA world, hopefully the players and Dessie now realise this, and show more cop on.

Strumms · 02-04-2021 5:41pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I assume they would have thought they could train in Inisfails because it is a bit hidden and out of the way. Ironically between to cemeteries (Fingal and Balgriffin) given the tone and nature of the issue..

Those Dublin footballers would have had to suffer not going to funerals as well, not seeing kids on skype nephews, nieces etc as well. They are not robots despite what some might think.

Personally I think those Dublin footballers involved (plus Dessie) just got bored and did not think of the consequences if caught. As they thought they were grand and hidden in inisfails.

But the DCB did the best they could out of a bad situation. Whether the Gardaí get involved now that is up to them.

Did the DCB authorize it ? Did they secretly know about it and turn a blind eye, or did Dessie and his gang leave them in the dark... ?

The last situation is unlikely but ‘if’ the Dublin management team were doing it 100% off their own bat, I’d be considering the position of Farrell and co or bollocking them from a height ... there would exist a breach of trust you couldn’t have a successful relationship based on trust and indeed good judgement based on that escapade.

happyoutscan · 02-04-2021 6:14pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

No doubt more than four counties (including Mayo) have been guilty of breaching the rules, putting lives at risk. Sad to say, inter county should have been pulled indefinitely at the start of the pandemic. Counties were just not responsible enough to comply with the safety measures.
Black episode for the GAA.

Any evidence to back that up? Not challenging you, but I haven't heard of this happening at all.

Fann Linn · 02-04-2021 6:16pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

Any evidence to back that up? Not challenging you, but I haven't heard of this happening at all.

I think he's on about Mayo GAA sneaking extra lads into December's All Ireland in the back of a van.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 6:23pm

Strumms wrote: »

Did the DCB authorize it ? Did they secretly know about it and turn a blind eye, or did Dessie and his gang leave them in the dark... ?

The last situation is unlikely but ‘if’ the Dublin management team were doing it 100% off their own bat, I’d be considering the position of Farrell and co or bollocking them from a height ... there would exist a breach of trust you couldn’t have a successful relationship based on trust and indeed good judgement based on that escapade.

No matter which angle from that you come from, it is not good.

If the DCB turned a blind eye and even half knew about it. That is not good at all.

If DCB didn't know anything about it and Dessie went off on his own with a few lads. That is not great either.

All that can be done now is Dessie to accept his punishment admit he was an eejit. Apologise etc.

Instead of being known now as the great Dublin team now. Some will tar them with that shower who broke the covid19 rules. Down and Cork will long be forgotten about. But the Dublin team's incident will be remembered because of their status in the game.

I was wondering how Jim Gavin feels now? Dessie has chipped away at a bit of the goodwill Dublin has received from GAA fans/pundits outside Dublin. Admiring players such as Fenton etc. Ambassadors of Gaelic Games etc. It could cast a shadow for a while.

If I was Jim Gavin I would be raging.

happyoutscan · 02-04-2021 6:26pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think he's on about Mayo GAA sneaking extra lads into December's All Ireland in the back of a van.

Ah that's it.

Strumms · 02-04-2021 6:33pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

No matter which angle from that you come from, it is not good.

If the DCB turned a blind eye and even half knew about it. That is not good at all.

If DCB didn't know anything about it and Dessie went off on his own with a few lads. That is not great either.

All that can be done now is Dessie to accept his punishment admit he was an eejit. Apologise etc.

Instead of being known now as the great Dublin team now. Some will tar them with that shower who broke the covid19 rules. Down and Cork will long be forgotten about. But the Dublin team's incident will be remembered because of their status in the game.

I was wondering how Jim Gavin feels now? Dessie has chipped away at a bit of the goodwill Dublin has received from GAA fans/pundits outside Dublin. Admiring players such as Fenton etc. Ambassadors of Gaelic Games etc. It could cast a shadow for a while.

If I was Jim Gavin I would be raging.

True, and I think Gavin would have been a thousand times more savvy then to get into the sort of tangle that Dessie and his cohorts managed to here. Both the type of person he was...plus being very aware and civic minded due to his career...it’s really poor, careless and thick of the current lot really...complete misread of situation.

threeball · 02-04-2021 6:52pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I assume they would have thought they could train in Inisfails because it is a bit hidden and out of the way. Ironically between to cemeteries (Fingal and Balgriffin) given the tone and nature of the issue..

Those Dublin footballers would have had to suffer not going to funerals as well, not seeing kids on skype nephews, nieces etc as well. They are not robots despite what some might think.

Personally I think those Dublin footballers involved (plus Dessie) just got bored and did not think of the consequences if caught. As they thought they were grand and hidden in inisfails.

But the DCB did the best they could out of a bad situation. Whether the Gardaí get involved now that is up to them.

The DCB only sacrificed Dessie in the hopes it would sate HQ that it was dealt with internally and hopefully avoid suspensions for the players. Thats looking highly unlikely at this stage. Either way they'll all be back before they meet a team where it might affect them championship wise. They'll even breaking the impending training ban to make sure they're right when they do get back.

Slattsy · 02-04-2021 7:08pm

threeball wrote: »

The DCB only sacrificed Dessie in the hopes it would sate HQ that it was dealt with internally and hopefully avoid suspensions for the players. Thats looking highly unlikely at this stage. Either way they'll all be back before they meet a team where it might affect them championship wise. They'll even breaking the impending training ban to make sure they're right when they do get back.

You love to see it.

Sunny Disposition · 02-04-2021 8:02pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is in the GAA mindset to push rules to the limit and see how much they can get away with. Appeal after appeal and the like making a farce of any rule in the first place. Getting off on some 'technicality'. The CCCC and all that craic.

Unfortunately, in this situation it literally goes well beyond the GAA world, hopefully the players and Dessie now realise this, and show more cop on.

Yeah, that really is the mindset at inter county. And this is what it led to, illegal behaviour, risking the health of those close to the players.
This is after maybe 30 years of under the table payments to managers, in some cases paying players to come home from abroad/not go abroad, breaking rules about winter training/club months.
The culture really does need to change. GAA need to start showing some teeth and imposing some consequences for breaking rules.
Am a bit surprised with Dessie Farrell, he was a major figure in the GPA but this is obviously putting players and their families at unnecessary risk.

Sunny Disposition · 02-04-2021 8:04pm

Actually what have the GPA said about this?

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 8:27pm

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Actually what have the GPA said about this?

That is a very good question actually.
Heard nothing.

Considering Dessie was a founder member of the GPA and former president, plus Paul Flynn is now GPA Chief Executive - I think they are in an awkward position.

The GPA actually agreed covid19 guidelines with the GAA back in October.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1023/1173530-gaa-and-gpa-agree-new-covid-19-measures/

Strumms · 02-04-2021 9:30pm

Here is a question, we’re there any Dublin coaches / trainers / medical or support staff there ?

Or was this simply players, getting together for a session ?

dobman88 · 02-04-2021 9:49pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is a very good question actually.
Heard nothing.

Considering Dessie was a founder member of the GPA and former president, plus Paul Flynn is now GPA Chief Executive - I think they are in an awkward position.

The GPA actually agreed covid19 guidelines with the GAA back in October.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1023/1173530-gaa-and-gpa-agree-new-covid-19-measures/

Did Paul not step down in February to pursue another venture?

dobman88 · 02-04-2021 9:51pm

Strumms wrote: »

Here is a question, we’re there any Dublin coaches / trainers / medical or support staff there?

Yes, article stated that a coach was there and he can be seen in the photos too.

gormdubhgorm · 02-04-2021 9:53pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Did Paul not step down in February to pursue another venture?

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/former-dublin-star-paul-flynn-to-step-down-as-gpa-ceo-40027683.html

You're spot on.

The fact I did not know that shows how much heed I pay to the GPA. I think they are all show and no substance to be honest. That is my impression of them.

dobman88 · 02-04-2021 9:58pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/former-dublin-star-paul-flynn-to-step-down-as-gpa-ceo-40027683.html

You're spot on.

The fact I did not know that shows how much heed I pay to the GPA. I think they are all show and no substance to be honest. That is my impression of them.

I just remember it being a surprise cos he was doing decent work for the club player as well as county and he was instrumental in the merger with the women which should be a good thing in the long run.

Slattsy · 02-04-2021 10:02pm

Strumms wrote: »

Here is a question, we’re there any Dublin coaches / trainers / medical or support staff there ?

Or was this simply players, getting together for a session ?

Twas only me with a few cones, some jaffa cakes, and an ipad. Nothing to see here.

rolling boh · 02-04-2021 10:26pm

Unfortunately this could rumble on a bit with a lot unanswered questions about who knew or who didn't. There be quite a few folks out there who will be more than happy to keep looking for answers even if full statements are provided. The more I think about it the more frustrated I am about the folly of it all .

Trampas · 03-04-2021 3:07pm

Amazing how the Taoiseach doesn’t get the same if not worse punishment for breaking rules.

Nothing on rte, newstalk or independent about it

Independent is still running articles on the Dublin incident

How Soon Is Now · 03-04-2021 6:24pm

Trampas wrote: »

Amazing how the Taoiseach doesn’t get the same if not worse punishment for breaking rules.

Nothing on rte, newstalk or independent about it

Independent is still running articles on the Dublin incident

It's taking the heat off the government having someone else to point the finger at.

03-04-2021 6:29pm

Trampas wrote: »

Amazing how the Taoiseach doesn’t get the same if not worse punishment for breaking rules.

Nothing on rte, newstalk or independent about it

Independent is still running articles on the Dublin incident

You’re forgetting how the media works.

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 6:56pm

Trampas wrote: »

Amazing how the Taoiseach doesn’t get the same if not worse punishment for breaking rules.

Nothing on rte, newstalk or independent about it

Independent is still running articles on the Dublin incident

Fianna Fáil Taoiseach.

If it was Leo it would have been all over the place.

gormdubhgorm · 03-04-2021 9:09pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Fianna Fáil Taoiseach.

If it was Leo it would have been all over the place.

A good few parties and politicians could have been said to have broken covid19 rules (to various degrees) we all know them.

If any Dublin players were sitting TD's or involved in politics I would expect the punishment to be harsh. Rightly so.

However there are none, so it is mainly a GAA issue.

BonnieSituation · 03-04-2021 9:14pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

A good few parties and politicians could have been said to have broken covid19 rules (to various degrees) we all know them.

If any Dublin players were sitting TD's or involved in politics I would expect the punishment to be harsh. Rightly so.

However none are so it is mainly a GAA issue.

Correct me if I am wrong was Cormac Costello one of the players or was I imagining it?

There's only one Taoiseach...

Lantern Jaw · 03-04-2021 10:31pm

rolling boh wrote: »

Unfortunately this could rumble on a bit with a lot unanswered questions about who knew or who didn't. There be quite a few folks out there who will be more than happy to keep looking for answers even if full statements are provided. The more I think about it the more frustrated I am about the folly of it all .

It won't rumble on at all. In fact its nearly forgotten about already, seeing as most people have a pain in their swiss with covid and anything covid related

Dr. Bre · 03-04-2021 10:49pm

A complete non story . Oisin mcconville said he can’t believe the over reaction to it

Rosita · 04-04-2021 11:21am

Dr. Bre wrote: »

A complete non story . Oisin mcconville said he can’t believe the over reaction to it

I hear people talking about an "over-reaction" and I'm not sure what they mean. Perhaps there's a reaction on Twitter and other social media which I don't look at, but pointing to an over-reaction there is, if I'm to believe what I hear, like seeing a fish swimming as a bit over the top. But I have no idea what he means when he says an over-reaction. I understand what the word means but not sure where he sees it, or what he thinks would be an appropriate reaction. Maybe he's among those who thing it's just a few harmless innocents kicking a ball which is a silly starting measure. "Over-reaction" only has a meaning if there's a generally agreed view as to what an appropriate reaction would be.

But what I can comment on is the "non-story" but. Sorry, it is a story. People might not like that. But they don't get to choose. The most high profile team in the GAA found breaching restrictions IS a story. How often does a county board suspends its own manager for 12 weeks? Non story my hat.

There have been many reactions to this which seem to mitigate but saying it's a non-story is the weakest of all reactions.

diceyreilly · 04-04-2021 11:51am

Rosita wrote: »

I hear people talking about an "over-reaction" and I'm not sure what they mean. Perhaps there's a reaction on Twitter and other social media which I don't look at, but pointing to an over-reaction there is, if I'm to believe what I hear, like seeing a fish swimming as a bit over the top. But I have no idea what he means when he says an over-reaction. I understand what the word means but not sure where he sees it, or what he thinks would be an appropriate reaction. Maybe he's among those who thing it's just a few harmless innocents kicking a ball which is a silly starting measure. "Over-reaction" only has a meaning if there's a generally agreed view as to what an appropriate reaction would be.

But what I can comment on is the "non-story" but. Sorry, it is a story. People might not like that. But they don't get to choose. The most high profile team in the GAA found breaching restrictions IS a story. How often does a county board suspends its own manager for 12 weeks? Non sotrt my hat.

There have been many reaction to this which seem to mitigate but saying it's a non-story is the weakest of all reactions.

They only banned him because 12 is the maximum and the GAA would likely ban him for 12 weeks so by starting it that day its over quicker rather than missing championship matches.
If you think he was hauled in to head office and warned about his future conduct by Dublin Gaa you’d be mistaken

Rosita · 04-04-2021 12:10pm

diceyreilly wrote: »

They only banned him because 12 is the maximum and the GAA would likely ban him for 12 weeks so by starting it that day its over quicker rather than missing championship matches.
If you think he was hauled in to head office and warned about his future conduct by Dublin Gaa you’d be mistaken

I never said or thought he was hauled in by Dublin GAA. I know better than anyone how self-serving GAA disciplinary procedures are. And the contempt with which GAA members regard discipline. And I absolutely get that PR was first and foremost in their mind given the speed and extent of the suspension. Like any decent GAA suspension traditionally obviously he'll be back at midnight the night before any meaningful match. All of that is a given.

Now..........back to my original point. The idea that it was a non-story went out the window when Dublin GAA reacted. They know that "a few lads kicking a ball" might hold water on a forum such as this but that it's absolute BS in the current broader environment. It's a story.

04-04-2021 12:27pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

A complete non story . Oisin mcconville said he can’t believe the over reaction to it

Would not mean much what that man says or mumbles like he does.

gormdubhgorm · 04-04-2021 6:52pm

Rosita wrote: »

I hear people talking about an "over-reaction" and I'm not sure what they mean. Perhaps there's a reaction on Twitter and other social media which I don't look at, but pointing to an over-reaction there is, if I'm to believe what I hear, like seeing a fish swimming as a bit over the top. But I have no idea what he means when he says an over-reaction. I understand what the word means but not sure where he sees it, or what he thinks would be an appropriate reaction. Maybe he's among those who thing it's just a few harmless innocents kicking a ball which is a silly starting measure. "Over-reaction" only has a meaning if there's a generally agreed view as to what an appropriate reaction would be.

But what I can comment on is the "non-story" but. Sorry, it is a story. People might not like that. But they don't get to choose. The most high profile team in the GAA found breaching restrictions IS a story. How often does a county board suspends its own manager for 12 weeks? Non story my hat.

There have been many reactions to this which seem to mitigate but saying it's a non-story is the weakest of all reactions.

I believe yeah it is a story. But all there is an over reaction as well mainly because it is the Dublin football team.
Which the DCB cleverly decided to take the lead on.
If it was any other football team bar Kerry would it have garnered as much attention? I doubt it.

I cannot remember as much furore over Cork and Down. It is combination of the high profile Dublin team. A team which will sell papers and get clicks no matter what the story on them.

In a way Dublin and the DCB should see it as compliment that there is so much interest in 'Brand Dublin'. Look at this thread for instance plenty of posters on here who would not be here only for the covid19 story. Yeah is a serious issue, but many are finding entertainment and schadenfreude in it.

Dublin the greatest team of all time, and also the team many love to hate. It is a win-win media wise.

Slattsy · 04-04-2021 8:14pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

A complete non story . Oisin mcconville said he can’t believe the over reaction to it

Well I for one can believe the over reaction to it.

dunnerc · 04-04-2021 10:28pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Well I for one can believe the over reaction to it.

Same here

Slattsy · 08-04-2021 8:58pm

The heat is off The Dubs.

Quiet enough all the same..

MFPM · 08-04-2021 9:24pm

Slattsy wrote: »

The heat is off The Dubs.

Quiet enough all the same..

Ridiculous hysteria all round.

Monkey arris · 08-04-2021 9:33pm

MFPM wrote: »

Ridiculous hysteria all round.

Some feel they have to be seen to be annoyed.

benji79 · 09-04-2021 10:32am

Gets interesting now, the gaa have ruled the suspensions by Dublin and Monaghan county boards null and void
What happens next will be interesting

rolling boh · 09-04-2021 12:23pm

The Gaa will have to be seen to be in charge of any suspensions etc so no real surprise can't really have county boards doing it make headquarters look weak .

gormdubhgorm · 09-04-2021 1:12pm

Slattsy wrote: »

The heat is off The Dubs.

Quiet enough all the same..

Damn all happens in the 'Stony grey soil of Monaghan', sure. The most recent 'glamour' they had was when Kevin Nolan moved up there, and was runner up a Monaghan club intermediate with Cremartin last year.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/from-dublin-hero-of-2011-to-the-playing-fields-of-monaghan-kevin-nolans-gaelic-football-life-less-ordinary-40246742.html

gormdubhgorm · 09-04-2021 1:34pm

rolling boh wrote: »

The Gaa will have to be seen to be in charge of any suspensions etc so no real surprise can't really have county boards doing it make headquarters look weak .

GAA HQ nearly always looks weak even on the most tame of issues - championship restructuring, appeals, ad hoc rule changes.

If they manage to look mediocre (PR wise) on this issue that would be an improvement. Too many cooks in the kitchen and too much democracy is the problem.

The DCB always seems far more PR savvy and clued in than the HQ. That is my perception anyway.

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