The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

Biker79 · 23-05-2020 1:36pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you should probably do a bit more research into mental health issues, i suffering from them myself, being autistic with dyslexia, would mean, its actually genetically passed on! have i made poor lifestyle choices, damn right i have, but spending most of my life undiagnosed would answer a lot of that. supports for such issues, you must be fcuking joking!

be interested in seeing this 'science'!

Good man. Plenty of programmers are on the spectrum and remain productive human beings. Can't think of any instances of autistic people ruining peoples lives through criminal behaviour.

I won't provide a deluge of information in support of my last point but you can read this book, where Pinker has already reviewed all the evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/feb/14/enlightenment-now-steven-pinker-review

Biker79 · 23-05-2020 1:39pm

blackbox wrote: »

I mostly agree with you but there are some children living in poverty and it's not as a result of their own decisions.

There should be more direct provision for these children rather than handing cash to their selfish parents.

I should have prefaced that point with poor decisions made by adults. Obviously children are not too blame for their circumstances. Their parents are 100% to blame for this.

So - poor decisions by adults. Despite an abundance of information available on how to make good decisions ( or decisions that aren't terrible ).

Wanderer78 · 23-05-2020 1:44pm

Biker79 wrote: »

Good man. Plenty of programmers are on the spectrum and remain productive human beings. Can't think of any instances of autistic people ruining peoples lives through criminal behaviour.

I won't provide a deluge of information in support of my last point but you can read this book, where Pinker has already reviewed all the evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/feb/14/enlightenment-now-steven-pinker-review

world renowned clinical psychologist, and autism expert, tony attwood believes many of the mass murderers in america, shootings etc, are/were in fact on the spectrum. yes many people on the spectrum are indeed law abiding and successful people, but if you have not been diagnosed and treated, the probabilities start going in the opposite direction very very quickly, i suspect myself, most people on the spectrum are currently undiagnosed, therefore untreated. attwoods own son has also been in prison, prior to his diagnoses. baring in mind, other complex disorders are common amongst prison population, not just developmental disorders and learning disabilities

Jinglejangle69 · 23-05-2020 1:48pm

shesty wrote: »

I worked with a South African woman a few years ago, in the absolute height of the recession here.She was only in Ireland about 6 months, and was very much from the white, wealthy side of the tracks in South Africa....had come from a high paying job there.(long story as to why she was here, not relevant here).

Anyway she came to me one day totally bewildered and said that she lived in a part of Dublin where there were a lot of unemployed (she was out near West dublin somewhere).She was very confused because she could not understand how come they had no jobs, but were still wearing expensive clothes with labels all over them, all had houses, and mobile phones and huge TVs in their houses?(she had noticed while out walking in the evenings).She couldn't figure out why they had no jobs yet could afford all this stuff.

Because in SA if you have no job, you have absolutely nothing.No house, no food,nothing.

I have to say, it really made me stop and think about what we take for granted here...and whether that is good for people or not.

Yet we have opposition parties and Facebook warriors every day telling us Ireland is a cesspit and the government don't care for its citizens.

We are spoiled as a nation and don't realise how good we have it.

Its all want want want, take take take.

Selfish arseholes.

Biker79 · 23-05-2020 1:54pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

world renowned clinical psychologist, and autism expert, tony attwood believes many of the mass murderers in america, shootings etc, are/were in fact on the spectrum. yes many people on the spectrum are indeed law abiding and successful people, but if you have not been diagnosed and treated, the probabilities start going in the opposite direction very very quickly, i suspect myself, most people on the spectrum are currently undiagnosed, therefore untreated. attwoods own son has also been in prison, prior to his diagnoses. baring in mind, other complex disorders are common amongst prison population, not just developmental disorders and learning disabilities

With all due respect, given a choice between fetishizing 'complex disorders' ( which always seem to maintain a status quo that suits health professionals ), or giving someone a kick up the hole and telling them to harden up, I know what I'd choose.

But that's just me.

Wanderer78 · 23-05-2020 1:58pm

Biker79 wrote: »

With all due respect, given a choice between festishing 'complex disorders' ( which always seem maintain a status quo that suits health professionals ), or giving someone a kick up the hole and telling them to harden up, I know what I'd choose.

But that's just me.

you can kick them all you want, very few criminals show signs of rehabilitation post prison, you could treat them harsher all you want in that system, they probably wont change or give a fcuk, but if you try treat any complex issues they have at as an early age as possible, you might just prevent them from entering the world of criminality all together, prevention is better than cure, and cheaper to

collywobble7 · 23-05-2020 2:06pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Benefits get cut all the time. Your future pension gets cut for example.

Apologies for not being more succinct. I'm addressing specifically long term social welfare dependant spongers who have no intention of working and contribute nothing. Can you at least concede that welfare reductions should be in place for these cretins.

Wanderer78 · 23-05-2020 2:07pm

collywobble7 wrote: »

Apologies for not being more succinct. I'm addressing specifically long term social welfare dependant spongers who have no intention of working and contribute nothing. Can you at least concede that welfare reductions should be in place for these cretins.

they d hardly move into criminality, if theyre not already there, would they?

kowloon · 23-05-2020 2:15pm

This thread really validates my problem with the left-right dichotomy and why I think it has no use anymore, we have to assign everything to one side or the other. You can be tough on crime AND deal with poverty, in fact, they're complimentary. You can deal with the gang problem and not be racist. Passing off the responsibility for the problem to 'the other side' is easy.

Randy Archer · 23-05-2020 2:48pm

armaghlad wrote: »

Bring back the ra

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

d15ude · 23-05-2020 2:53pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you can kick them all you want, very few criminals show signs of rehabilitation post prison, you could treat them harsher all you want in that system, they probably wont change or give a fcuk, but if you try treat any complex issues they have at as an early age as possible, you might just prevent them from entering the world of criminality all together, prevention is better than cure, and cheaper to

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

batman_oh · 23-05-2020 2:57pm

double jobbing wrote: »

LOL.

Is Talbot St our main street? As it's perfectly possible to walk down O'Connel St and not see a junkie, let alone an open air drug market.

At 5am maybe. Or you don't know what junkies look like. I work in the city centre and it's nearly impossible to go anywhere around Dublin 1 and most of Dublin 2 (temple bar etc) without seeing hordes of them

ChikiChiki · 23-05-2020 3:09pm

Anyone walking through the North City centre today? The place is teeming with junkies and alcoholics. Plenty of cops about aswell as there is a merry band of lunatics protesting outside the GPO.

What an absolute **** show.

Royal Irish · 23-05-2020 3:10pm

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

Like the 3 strike rule in the US? It works so well for them so why not try it here :rolleyes:

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-05-2020 3:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well I think welfare and forever homes are a good thing for society to certain extent, we should be proud that we look after our citizens with that safety net. I don't think this is the cause of feral youths running around the place though. There are deeper issues causing this. I'm not too sure what it is but I think it's generations of it passed down, and somehow that needs to be stopped.
It's like heroin addicts you see all over town, they hardly set out to be heroin addicts, but they probably had horrible childhoods and are trying to fill that vacuum inside them with drugs which make them feel like everything is ok, but also has disastrous consequences. Whatever way we're trying to tackle these issues isn't work, and we need to change our approach.

Forever homes is a woeful outdated idea that is unfit for purpose

Blueshoe · 23-05-2020 3:22pm

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

Not enough space in prisons to implement that.
We need new incarnation facilities to be built.
Horrible ones that act as a deterrent.

Get rid of the current joke of a minister for justice first though

Tec Diver · 23-05-2020 3:49pm

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

There needs to be an active, targeted economic plan for certain areas and at the same time more resources and numbers of Guardai in these areas in groups (6-8 or whatever is required), including specialist units. If that means stricter laws for ASB then so be it.

Wanderer78 · 23-05-2020 3:51pm

d15ude wrote: »

Give them 2-3 chances, if they don't take them than through away the key.

...because putting them behind locked doors solves problems and is cheap!

Blueshoe · 23-05-2020 4:03pm

Gardaí vow to crack down on gang of youths carrying out indiscriminate assaults in north Dublin https://jrnl.ie/5106154

They sound like a right horrible mob

tastyt · 23-05-2020 4:31pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...because putting them behind locked doors solves problems and is cheap!

I understand this and agree that locking them up will not solve societal issue of these scumbags.

But lock them up and get them off the streets. There has to be punishment for crime and people can’t be walking around with 100 plus convictions. Protect the public, make people feel safe and make the scum feel there are consequences for their behaviour.

When that happens and we make the country a nicer place to be and a place where hard work and respecting other people is rewarded then we can look at the bigger issues. Then we can plough money in to trying to prevent all the crime and anti social behaviour.

But you can’t put the cart before the horse, you can’t use kid gloves and bleeding hearts on people who will laugh in your face and show no regard for anything because there are no consequences for their behaviour.

Get them off the streets and protect people first

Kermit.de.frog · 23-05-2020 4:42pm

If the parents knew that their benefits were at risk for every transgression of their children I reckon you'd be amazed just how quickly they'd discover parenting!

whisky_galore · 23-05-2020 4:55pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Ah yes, "the Boys", they might be shoving on pension age now!

Pkiernan · 23-05-2020 4:58pm

Tec Diver wrote: »

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

You mean those that work and those that dont?

Having and not having implied some sort of luck

hamburgham · 23-05-2020 5:17pm

[QUOTE
Has little to do with inequality. There are lots of opportunities through online training and various government supports to live a dignified life with some character. But the social welfare system rewards bad behaviour and is no longer fit for purpose for the times we live in.

/ End of rant .[/QUOTE]
Yes, it’s about values.There are dirt poor immigrants slogging away trying to make a living, probably living not too far away from our crowd of beauties but there’s no cribbing about ‘facilities’.

Zebra3 · 23-05-2020 5:59pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Link?

Deebles McBeebles · 23-05-2020 6:09pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Gardaí vow to crack down on gang of youths carrying out indiscriminate assaults in north Dublin https://jrnl.ie/5106154

They sound like a right horrible mob

For once I agree with the top comment in a Journal article. Weird.

They should be caught and beaten, they won't learn anything from a lenient judge giving them a slap on the wrist for assaulting people.

199 more chances for anyone without previous convictions and you get to walk if you have a "cannabis addiction". Gas stuff.

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-05-2020 6:14pm

Tec Diver wrote: »

Whereas I would agree that economic improvements in general would help, the boost we had in the economy in the previous few years have just increased the gap between those that have and those that don't.

There needs to be an active, targeted economic plan for certain areas and at the same time more resources and numbers of Guardai in these areas in groups (6-8 or whatever is required), including specialist units. If that means stricter laws for ASB then so be it.

OECD thinks there has been a large reduction in income inequality in Ireland over the last generation.

There has to be actual punishments for people, and if they are to young hit the parents. And more then anything there seems to be some personal responsibility, seems to be missing these days with nothing anybody fault

OECD report below

https://t.co/2gbEThunTj?amp=1

BakingSoda · 23-05-2020 6:28pm

My uncle lives down in Celbridge. He said that back in the early 90s they used to get problems from west Dublin lads causing trouble in their town every week so one night he gathered up a massive group of locals and when the Dub gang came they beat the **** out of them and chased them out. He said they never came back after that.

23-05-2020 7:11pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

For once I agree with the top comment in a Journal article. Weird.

Journal Top Comment wrote:

These little boys need to thought a lesson, the community here has had enough, I fear if the Garda don’t get on top of this people will start taking the law into their own hands, Portmarnock can’t be enjoyed by its local community because these little toe rags, and the parents in Darndale and the likes all too busy drinking, living off the social wouldn’t know what a good honest days work is.

I agree that vigilantism is on the way. It'll take hold in one or two places and then the rest of the country will start to get in on the action too, once it's seen as being successful in any meaningful way at all.

The title should change "Dublin" to "Ireland". These issues are far too common and are absolutely everywhere.

BakingSoda · 23-05-2020 7:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree that vigilantism is on the way. It'll take hold in one or two places and then the rest of the country will start to get in on the action too, once it's seen as being successful in any meaningful way at all.

The title should change "Dublin" to "Ireland". These issues are far too common and are absolutely everywhere.

Speaking of which I remember a good few years ago there was a vicious gang terrorising Cavan. What ever happened there? Did they all get locked up or just grow out of it? I definitely recall hearing that about Cavan years ago.

23-05-2020 7:29pm

BakingSoda wrote: »

Speaking of which I remember a good few years ago there was a vicious gang terrorising Cavan. What ever happened there? Did they all get locked up or just grow out of it? I definitely recall hearing that about Cavan years ago.

Never heard of such a thing to be honest. But I don't really live out that way so I wouldn't be sure.

I am lead to believe my own area that I live in was plagued with issues in the 80s and vigilantism is what sorted it out (even the local councillors have said as much to me).

The area is going downhill fairly rapidly over the last couple of years, at the hands of only about 10 people I'd say. But residents have been getting fed up and I've been hearing murmurings of a vigilante group getting together. Someone even asked me if I'd be interested in getting involved.

So I'm sure that my area isn't the only place in the country where similar conversations are being had. Curious to see how it'll play out. No doubt if it does ever come to fruition those that get a well deserved hiding will be portrayed as the victims.

RugbyLad11 · 23-05-2020 7:35pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Economic progress? We are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, there was an abundance of jobs, open university for all. They have the best welfare payments in the world. You can stop making excuses for them. They have more opportunity than 99% of the world population.

And it is ****ing ridiculous that you are trying to make this a race matter. Guess what all of those 30 kids running around are WHITE. They are scum from Darandale. There was a black gang from Balbriggan but no, 99% of these incidents are white scumbags. In fact that big gang in Driminagh that have made parts of the canal a no go area are actually targeting black people in their attacks

Find another thread to vent your racist **** in, If it was only black kids doing this then Dublin would have nearly 0% crime :rolleyes:

I take it you have a source for this claim?

23-05-2020 7:37pm

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I take it you have a source for this claim?

He might just know the area.

da_miser · 23-05-2020 7:38pm

A circle of life as old as time.
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
We are no doubt in the weak men stage, too many bleeding hearts and do gooders, wont be long now before the Strong men have enough and start working on a fix.

BakingSoda · 23-05-2020 7:39pm

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I take it you have a source for this claim?

Not the OP but I'm from the area

"Particularly unacceptable has been the number of racially motivated attacks. We need to take the canal back from the thugs. Especially during the current lockdown

Just two weeks ago, gardai rushed to La Touche Road in the Bluebell estate of Dublin twice in the same night after up to 10 rounds of gunfire were heard in the area.

It’s believed that those involved in this incident are also behind anti-social behaviour in the area including an unprovoked racially motivated attack on a man in the area.

A local, who did not wish to be named, told Dublin Live that criminal activity has escalated in recent months in particular.

They said: “Bluebell is like a war zone, the nice old Bluebell of the past is gone. Nobody feels safe anymore.

“The fact that these thugs shot off rounds of fire straight after gardai were in the area following earlier reports of gunfire shows what calibre of people you are dealing with. They’re throwing their weight around, flexing their muscles, wanting people to know who controls the area.

“They don’t care about the area or about authority. They are believed to have been involved a racially motivated attack on an innocent man recently. They are thugs, scumbags.

“The guards are doing the best they can with the limited resorts they have but there needs to be more done.”

irishproduce · 23-05-2020 11:44pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This

I can never understand why there is free legal aid forever for scrotes.

The whole system is arseways.

Free legal aid provides legal welfare for underemployed solicitors and barristers who can't get good work on merit.
The system is rigged. The legal system would decline if legal aid wasn't there (or if tougher sentences were enacted - hence you have lads with 50+ previous convictions)

marieholmfan · 23-05-2020 11:47pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Elements of that mob were the first to bring drugs into the country, where do you think the drug gangs of the late 1990s got their guns from ?

Total nonsense. Cocad were destroyed because of their ira links.

The garda are much more involved with drug importation than the ira.

Any rebuttal Randy Arche?

marieholmfan · 23-05-2020 11:48pm

Since there is no leaving how will they find kids with 100 points for templemore?

marieholmfan · 23-05-2020 11:49pm

BakingSoda wrote: »

Not the OP but I'm from the area

"Particularly unacceptable has been the number of racially motivated attacks. We need to take the canal back from the thugs. Especially during the current lockdown

Just two weeks ago, gardai rushed to La Touche Road in the Bluebell estate of Dublin twice in the same night after up to 10 rounds of gunfire were heard in the area.

It’s believed that those involved in this incident are also behind anti-social behaviour in the area including an unprovoked racially motivated attack on a man in the area.

A local, who did not wish to be named, told Dublin Live that criminal activity has escalated in recent months in particular.

They said: “Bluebell is like a war zone, the nice old Bluebell of the past is gone. Nobody feels safe anymore.

“The fact that these thugs shot off rounds of fire straight after gardai were in the area following earlier reports of gunfire shows what calibre of people you are dealing with. They’re throwing their weight around, flexing their muscles, wanting people to know who controls the area.

“They don’t care about the area or about authority. They are believed to have been involved a racially motivated attack on an innocent man recently. They are thugs, scumbags.

“The guards are doing the best they can with the limited resorts they have but there needs to be more done.”

Gardai rushed.

Fast as a sloth.

23-05-2020 11:53pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Allow legal companies to set up and make these drugs with limited availability. Then slowly legalize them from these mass manufactured sources. Gangs over.

Your small town bookies couldn't compete with ladbrokes etc.

That's naive.

You think legalising drugs will result in the gangs downing tools and becoming legit?

Cigarette and alcohol smuggling remains big business for Criminals. The fact it's legal means even more time and money put into policing it because you have to enforce the licensing regulations while also chasing the smugglers.

Legalising a problem has not resulted in that problem becoming any smaller.

23-05-2020 11:54pm

BakingSoda wrote: »

My uncle lives down in Celbridge. He said that back in the early 90s they used to get problems from west Dublin lads causing trouble in their town every week so one night he gathered up a massive group of locals and when the Dub gang came they beat the **** out of them and chased them out. He said they never came back after that.

My parents told me that when I was a kid a fat man came down the chimney and gave me presents

23-05-2020 11:56pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Total nonsense. Cocad were destroyed because of their ira links.

The garda are much more involved with drug importation than the ira.

Any rebuttal Randy Arche?

You really are the gift that keeps on giving.

Buck_rodgers · 24-05-2020 2:50am

Accelerationism should be welcomed.
Things have got to get worse before the population demand change.
The do gooders will see that nothing happens to these feral youths currently, so bring on more chaos and the change in public attitude to dealing with these scum bags.

Hego Damask · 24-05-2020 7:01am

Just saw that coolock Garda station video - blood f*cking boiling!!!

"underage child" .. would ya feck off!!!!

Redgirl82 · 24-05-2020 8:11am

Can we not just go the US way, make guns legal and just shoot them? Would reduce the cost of these kids on social in the future as well

Two birds with the one....well bullet

tikkahunter · 24-05-2020 8:53am

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Can we not just go the US way, make guns legal and just shoot them? Would reduce the cost of these kids on social in the future as well

Two birds with the one....well bullet

Guns are legal in this country and we have strict laws around licencing one .

Redgirl82 · 24-05-2020 8:58am

tikkahunter wrote: »

Guns are legal in this country and we have strict laws around licencing one .

An Uzi?

Wanderer78 · 24-05-2020 9:00am

Redgirl82 wrote:

Can we not just go the US way, make guns legal and just shoot them? Would reduce the cost of these kids on social in the future as well

I'm sure we d have no bother reducing the amount of guns after the fact then, maybe we should reduce social safety nets also, reduce dole, etc, increase the availability of drugs, and see what happens

Mad_maxx · 24-05-2020 9:12am

irishproduce wrote: »

Free legal aid provides legal welfare for underemployed solicitors and barristers who can't get good work on merit.
The system is rigged. The legal system would decline if legal aid wasn't there (or if tougher sentences were enacted - hence you have lads with 50+ previous convictions)

No wonder there was such appetite to bestow ethnic- sacred cow status upon travellers

Cash cow for solicitors

Biker79 · 24-05-2020 9:29am

irishproduce wrote: »

Free legal aid provides legal welfare for underemployed solicitors and barristers who can't get good work on merit.
The system is rigged. The legal system would decline if legal aid wasn't there (or if tougher sentences were enacted - hence you have lads with 50+ previous convictions)

When the Central Criminal Court opens back up, I'd recommend taking a visit someday. It's astonishing the amount of activity that plays out there on an average day.

I served on a jury there a few years ago, and the first thing that struck me about the place was the sheer volume of activity. The central atrium was like a busy airport.

I'll never forget the bizarre sights of barristers/ solicitors speaking earnestly with scrotes and junkies - some still off their faces, some staggering around outside the ground floor court entrances - in a sort of weird co-dependency.

It's no exaggeration to say it is truly an eye-opener. Each party needing each other to game the system, and get paid for their chosen careers.

The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

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