Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

28-05-2020 2:30pm

end of the road wrote: »

i would imagine it's because they aren't actually from france but from elsewhere.

The question remains why they feel entitled to leave a safe country to pick any country of their choosing bypassing the legal methods.

DelaneyIn · 28-05-2020 2:42pm

end of the road wrote: »

i would imagine it's because they aren't actually from france but from elsewhere.

You’d have to do a lot of imagining to swallow these asylum cases.

end of the road · 28-05-2020 3:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The question remains why they feel entitled to leave a safe country to pick any country of their choosing bypassing the legal methods.

safe country means different things to different people.
if refugees don't feel safe in somewhere like france then it isn't a safe country technically.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

You’d have to do a lot of imagining to swallow these asylum cases.

not at all, because i can accept that some cases will be genuine and others not, rather then the nonsense of they are all scammers cause i don't like immigrants/whatever.

28-05-2020 4:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

safe country means different things to different people.
if refugees don't feel safe in somewhere like france then it isn't a safe country technically.

not at all, because i can accept that some cases will be genuine and others not, rather then the nonsense of they are all scammers cause i don't like immigrants/whatever.

Feelings is absolutely not a reason why someone can pick and choose a country when a refugee.

They must be able to demonstrably prove they are unsafe. Absolute horse****

2u2me · 28-05-2020 4:37pm

What separates a refugee from an economic migrant?

biko · 28-05-2020 4:41pm

War, persecution

2u2me · 28-05-2020 4:44pm

So they are economic migrants and not refugees? No war in France

Kivaro · 28-05-2020 4:45pm

2u2me wrote: »

What separates a refugee from an economic migrant?

If the person arrives into Ireland via plane or ferry, and in many situations from another safe European country, then there is a high probability that they are an economic migrant.

If the Irish government flies in the person from a displacement camp near to a war/conflict/disaster zone, then there is a very high probability that they are a refugee.

It is the second group that we should be helping ........... and if at all possible at the source, in order to help the greater number of people.

RandomName2 · 28-05-2020 5:04pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Looks like the Police have had to get on to the little scumbag

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He a xenophobic racist who's just broken the rules and should be treated as such.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Can you back up your claim that there's a migrant crisis which is being suppressed?

Do you have anything to add here?

The thread is about the well documented issue in relation to migration around Dover. You pretend that you don't know about it in order to get on a soapbox about Nigel Farage.

As annoying a guy as Farage is, your ad hominem has very little to do with the subject of the thread.

I'm not sure where you are getting 'suppressed' from. You are literally the only person to make that claim. Presumably it's a straw man you can use in order to divert attention away from the actual topic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-52815207
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1287110/UK-migrant-crisis-home-office-priti-patel-australia-dover-kent-border-force
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/migrants-pose-major-threat-to-uk-border-warns-former-chief-227667/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347041/British-fisherman-claims-French-patrols-not-interested-stopping-migrants.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/26/kayaker-among-new-wave-migrants-crossing-channel-french-navy/

Cue 'the Daily Mail, BBC, Express are run by racists'.

I don't even have much interest in this topic. I don't think Farage is saying anything particularly new (and he's of course being entirely self-serving), and I'm not sure why the illegal immigration is worse now than it has been. The predictable deflection in uncomfortable topics is pretty annoying though.

end of the road · 28-05-2020 9:01pm

2u2me wrote: »

What separates a refugee from an economic migrant?

1 is a refugee and the other is an economic migrant.

2u2me wrote: »

So they are economic migrants and not refugees? No war in France

no but there is in syria, and there is conflict in a couple of others.

Mr. Karate · 28-05-2020 9:10pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

Whatever the outcome few will leave or be deported .

Which is why they'll keep coming. The know Ireland's immigration laws [and enforcement] are a joke.

28-05-2020 10:00pm

end of the road wrote: »

1 is a refugee and the other is an economic migrant.

no but there is in syria, and there is conflict in a couple of others.

So they had no possible reason to leave France for any other reason that they wanted to live in the UK. **** them so. They can apply like everyone else.

end of the road · 28-05-2020 10:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So they had no possible reason to leave France for any other reason that they wanted to live in the UK. **** them so. They can apply like everyone else.

i don't know, i didn't ask them as i have no way to get in contact with them, and even if i did, it's none of my business but between them and the authorities of the relevant countries.
presumably they did have some reason to leave france other then simply wanting to go to the uk otherwise they wouldn't have left.
but that is just a guess.
they will have to apply like everyone else anyway so not **** them.

28-05-2020 10:47pm

end of the road wrote: »

i don't know, i didn't ask them as i have no way to get in contact with them, and even if i did, it's none of my business but between them and the authorities of the relevant countries.
presumably they did have some reason to leave france other then simply wanting to go to the uk otherwise they wouldn't have left.
but that is just a guess.

Thank **** you aren't in charge. It very much is the business of people to know if there is unrestricted access for illegal immigrants based on their feelings.

Yes people have no way to contact some of them. They arrive into a country undocumented and illegal and then are able to disappear. That's the reason there are immigration laws and documentation.

Illegal immigrants are not welcome. Refugees who feel they can choose their host country should not be welcome in any country.

end of the road · 28-05-2020 10:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank **** you aren't in charge. It very much is the business of people to know if there is unrestricted access for illegal immigrants based on their feelings.

Yes people have no way to contact some of them. They arrive into a country undocumented and illegal and then are able to disappear. That's the reason there are immigration laws and documentation.

Illegal immigrants are not welcome. Refugees who feel they can choose their host country should not be welcome in any country.

if i was in charge the immigration system would actually be working properly. because you know, i would give it the resources to do so.
there is no unrestricted access for immigrants based on feelings to any country.
quite rightly it doesn't matter whether you think certain people are or aren't welcome here or anywhere, or not, the authorities of the various countries will decide that.

28-05-2020 11:04pm

end of the road wrote: »

if i was in charge the immigration system would actually be working properly. because you know, i would give it the resources to do so.
there is no unrestricted access for immigrants based on feelings to any country.
quite rightly it doesn't matter whether you think certain people are or aren't welcome here or anywhere, or not, the authorities of the various countries will decide that.

What resources? There are methods to legal migrate and there are resources to help refugees. What would you do exactly that would be different?

I know. That's why I oppose illegal immigration. Authorities decides which laws apply. Anyone who breaks those laws are not criminals. It's not my opinion. It's a fact

Mr. Karate · 29-05-2020 12:55pm

end of the road wrote: »

if i was in charge the immigration system would actually be working properly. because you know, i would give it the resources to do so.
there is no unrestricted access for immigrants based on feelings to any country.
quite rightly it doesn't matter whether you think certain people are or aren't welcome here or anywhere, or not, the authorities of the various countries will decide that.

"You are a Nazi, a bigot, a xenophobe, a racist. And I'm sure you're a homophobe too. And you're literally Hitler."-The Left's response to anyone wanting common sense immigration laws and enforcement.

Snickers Man · 29-05-2020 12:59pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Could you post one link, just one that backs up your claim that Farage is racist. Thanks.

I'm not usually given to quoting Ben Shapiro with approval, but his assessment of his much loathed (and by him) colleague Steve Bannon might be apposite here.
"Steve's not a racist. He's just an asshole"

splashuum · 29-05-2020 1:01pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

Do you have anything to add here?

The thread is about the well documented issue in relation to migration around Dover. You pretend that you don't know about it in order to get on a soapbox about Nigel Farage.

As annoying a guy as Farage is, your ad hominem has very little to do with the subject of the thread.

I'm not sure where you are getting 'suppressed' from. You are literally the only person to make that claim. Presumably it's a straw man you can use in order to divert attention away from the actual topic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-52815207
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1287110/UK-migrant-crisis-home-office-priti-patel-australia-dover-kent-border-force
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/migrants-pose-major-threat-to-uk-border-warns-former-chief-227667/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347041/British-fisherman-claims-French-patrols-not-interested-stopping-migrants.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/26/kayaker-among-new-wave-migrants-crossing-channel-french-navy/

Cue 'the Daily Mail, BBC, Express are run by racists'.

I don't even have much interest in this topic. I don't think Farage is saying anything particularly new (and he's of course being entirely self-serving), and I'm not sure why the illegal immigration is worse now than it has been. The predictable deflection in uncomfortable topics is pretty annoying though.

Abhorrent behaviour from a mod.

Snickers Man · 29-05-2020 1:09pm

dd973 wrote: »

Douglas Murray is a creepy oleaginous pseudo intellectual bellend,

Think you're being a bit too kind there

end of the road · 29-05-2020 2:42pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

"You are a Nazi, a bigot, a xenophobe, a racist. And I'm sure you're a homophobe too. And you're literally Hitler."-The Left's response to anyone wanting common sense immigration laws and enforcement.

accept that isn't the case now is it.
apart from a small few, nobody is bothered about enforcement that is actually common sense and is done fairly and proportionately.
on the other hand where it is implemented, nonsense designed to play to a certain type of voter should be called for what it is however.

Cordell · 29-05-2020 6:25pm

dd973 wrote: »

it's odd how many LGBT people are into that Libertarian Right Wing stuff, I know people's sexual identity and their politics aren't necessarily the same but I'd have thought being part of a minority would posit them more towards the Left.

No, it's not odd at all, odd is how the left got to defend them (or pretend to defend them, while using them to push their agenda). "Libertarian Right Wing stuff" it's all about freedom and individual rights.
Also, the sexual identity has absolutely nothing to do with socio-economical and political views.

Mr. Karate · 29-05-2020 7:38pm

end of the road wrote: »

accept that isn't the case now is it.
apart from a small few, .

A small few that are in our media [news, television,etc] and thus control the narrative.

Mr. Karate · 29-05-2020 7:42pm

Cordell wrote: »

No, it's not odd at all, odd is how the left got to defend them (or pretend to defend them, while using them to push their agenda). "Libertarian Right Wing stuff" it's all about freedom and individual rights.
Also, the sexual identity has absolutely nothing to do with socio-economical and political views.

How has that "If you're_____ You have to be a Leftist." garbage not been denounced for bigotry [and racism in Joe "You're not Black if you don't support me." Biden] the idea that the Left "owns" people that are ____. There are plenty of Conservative LGBTs [because they see the Left getting WAY too cozy with Islam and they're anti-gay stances] and Conservative Blacks.

Madeleine Birchfield · 29-05-2020 11:17pm

Cordell wrote: »

No, it's not odd at all, odd is how the left got to defend them (or pretend to defend them, while using them to push their agenda). "Libertarian Right Wing stuff" it's all about freedom and individual rights.
Also, the sexual identity has absolutely nothing to do with socio-economical and political views.

American influence on the British left. The American left got to defend the LGBT stuff because the American right has a very strong anti-LGBT Christian component to it which naturally lends to the LGBT people moving to the American left.

Western Europe's LGBT stuff has largely been promoted by politicians of all stances left centre and right (Merkel, Cameron, Fine Gael/Fianna Fail both, et cetera) because Western Europe has become less Christian and more secular in the past half-century, to the point where even far-right politicians like Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen are appealing to LGBT people because Muslims are anti-LGBT.

Mr. Karate · 29-05-2020 11:58pm

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

American influence on the British left. The American left got to defend the LGBT stuff because the American right has a very strong anti-LGBT Christian component to it which naturally lends to the LGBT people moving to the American left.

Western Europe's LGBT stuff has largely been promoted by politicians of all stances left centre and right (Merkel, Cameron, Fine Gael/Fianna Fail both, et cetera) because Western Europe has become less Christian and more secular in the past half-century, to the point where even far-right politicians like Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen are appealing to LGBT people because Muslims are anti-LGBT.

And yet the American and European Left are now catering to Islam which as you pointed is very anti-LGBT. The Left want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep the LGBT crowd on side while pandering to Islam. This is many LGBT have turned to the right.

Madeleine Birchfield · 30-05-2020 1:38am

Mr. Karate wrote: »

And yet the American and European Left are now catering to Islam which as you pointed is very anti-LGBT. The Left want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to keep the LGBT crowd on side while pandering to Islam. This is many LGBT have turned to the right.

Well as I said LGBT rights have been accepted across the political spectrum left, centre, and right in Europe. But in America, Islam isn't seen as a threat as it is in Europe as the United States because there aren't many Muslim immigrants to the US as there are in Europe. Furthermore, both Islam and LGBT view the Christian faction of the American right as a threat, so they formed an Alliance of convenience in the United States to defeat the Christian right. The Christian right doesn't exist in Europe anymore so Europe has already reached the point where the secular LGBT are turning to the right as the left turns towards Islam.

GY_1980 · 30-05-2020 2:23am

Snickers Man wrote: »

I'm not usually given to quoting Ben Shapiro with approval, but his assessment of his much loathed (and by him) colleague Steve Bannon might be apposite here.
"Steve's not a racist. He's just an asshole"

I’d never quote Ben Shapiro with approval. The man is a con. I remember the supposed debate between him and Cenk (the !eft Con) - the supposed right and left “intellectual giants” from America.

Both wealthy grifters essentially talking **** about stuff they don’t know.

2u2me · 30-05-2020 12:40pm

If Farage deserves contempt; then so do people like Myriam Francois-Cerrah. Unfortunately the contempt for Francois is lacking; I believe that's what really gets people. At least that's what gets me.

She was the person who was representing the left and Islam after the Charlie Hebdo massacre, quite happy to censor those images, beginning a crusade against satirists like Markus Meechan. They weren't 'real cartoonists' anyway. Who cares what they had to say. Meechan isn't a 'real' satirist. The problem is it never ends, ultimately even turning on herself a ,"middle-class white woman".

The comedians were too easy from Charlie Hebdo to Markus Meechan; now they're going after journalists by calling them 'not journalists' as well as smearing them with all sorts of cheap names (Ala Trump) It's truly mindboggling. You have people in authority, in this board parroting that sentiment. It's disgusting, ridiculous and dangerous.

If this was anyone else it would be called abuse, plain and simple. Try to say Anita Sarkeesian isn't a journalist and you will be called a troll or banned.

The double standard is disgusting, foul and putrid. If you think people don't see through it you are only fooling yourself.

Mr. Karate · 30-05-2020 12:44pm

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

But in America, Islam isn't seen as a threat as it is in Europe as the United States .

Are you on drugs or do live in Bizarro world? 9-11 was the wake up call for many. And that happened in the US. With the exception of the Leftists many Americans are very aware of the dangers Islams [which is why they've only gained traction in Democrat held states] Europeans are NOT awake to the dangers of Islam. Especially the Irish. After watching terrorist attacks become regular occurrences in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain the Irish should be out fighting to prevent their arrival into the Country and they should be fighting to stops mosques from being built in Ireland. The Irish aren't going to be happy until Ireland is Ireland in name only.

end of the road · 31-05-2020 12:09pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

A small few that are in our media [news, television,etc] and thus control the narrative.

if that is the case they are doing quite a rubbish job of controlling the narrative.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Are you on drugs or do live in Bizarro world? 9-11 was the wake up call for many. And that happened in the US. Except of the Leftists Americans are very aware of the dangers Islams [which is why they've only gained traction in Democrat held states] Europeans are NOT awake to the dangers Islam. Especially the Irish. After watching terrorist attacks become regular occurrences in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain the Irish should be out fighting to prevent their arrival into the Country and they should be fighting to stops mosques from being built in Ireland. The Irish aren't going to be happy until Ireland is Ireland in name only.

that's because we have better things to do with our lives then "fighting" to stop people from coming here legally because "muslim"
also, if we have churches in ireland and all else, then quite rightly mosqs are allowed also.
anti-terror laws and other laws take care of any of those, muslim or not who are a threat.
so we have nothing to fight for now do we.

Mr. Karate · 31-05-2020 2:19pm

end of the road wrote: »

that's because we have better things to do with our lives then "fighting" to stop people from coming here legally because "muslim"
also, if we have churches in ireland and all else, then quite rightly mosqs are allowed also.
anti-terror laws and other laws take care of any of those, muslim or not who are a threat.
so we have nothing to fight for now do we.

When rapes and other violent crimes sky rocket, and terrorist attacks become a normal occurrence [they have in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain. You're a fool if you believe that won't happen her in time] you'll wished you had. By the time the Paddy Lasts cop on they'll be foreigners in their own Country. Much like the Brits, Swedes, French and Germans are in their own.

end of the road · 31-05-2020 8:43pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

When rapes and other violent crimes sky rocket, and terrorist attacks become a normal occurrence [they have in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain. You're a fool if you believe that won't happen her in time] you'll wished you had. By the time the Paddy Lasts cop on they'll be foreigners in their own Country. Much like the Brits, Swedes, French and Germans are in their own.

rape and other violent crimes + terrorism are illegal in ireland and will remain so.
all of those countries you mention, their own nationalities are very much the majority. french the majority in france, british the majority in britain, etc.
your scaremongering about us becoming the minority is just that, scaremongering to push your little agenda.

Mr. Karate · 31-05-2020 8:53pm

end of the road wrote: »

rape and other violent crimes + terrorism are illegal in ireland and will remain so.
all of those countries you mention, their own nationalities are very much the majority. french the majority in france, british the majority in britain, etc.
your scaremongering about us becoming the minority is just that, scaremongering to push your little agenda.

The British are already a minority in their major cities [including London their Capital] That's not scaremongering that's reality.

Odhinn · 31-05-2020 9:08pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The British are already a minority in their major cities [including London their Capital] That's not scaremongering that's reality.

Do please explain this to me.

rgossip30 · 01-06-2020 10:24am

Odhinn wrote: »

Do please explain this to me.

Does one really need to explain the obvious .

end of the road · 01-06-2020 1:38pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

Does one really need to explain the obvious .

it's not obvious so yes, one does.

Sheep_shear · 01-06-2020 1:48pm

In 2011 census, 37% of people living in London were born abroad. I'd hazard a guess that it's more now? No idea. Wonder when the next census is.

Madeleine Birchfield · 01-06-2020 2:22pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Are you on drugs or do live in Bizarro world? 9-11 was the wake up call for many. And that happened in the US. With the exception of the Leftists many Americans are very aware of the dangers Islams [which is why they've only gained traction in Democrat held states] Europeans are NOT awake to the dangers of Islam. Especially the Irish. After watching terrorist attacks become regular occurrences in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain the Irish should be out fighting to prevent their arrival into the Country and they should be fighting to stops mosques from being built in Ireland. The Irish aren't going to be happy until Ireland is Ireland in name only.

The Europeans are well aware of Islam, which is why you had anti-Islam parties like the Austrian People's Party, Lega Nord, and the Finns Party getting into coalition governments together and the National Front, Swedish Democrats, Vlaams Belang being the main opposition against a grand coalition which was formed against the parties getting into power. And Islam isn't a problem in Ireland because just like Poland and Portugal, feck all Muslims are coming into Ireland. They would rather head to the UK or Germany or Sweden which provide them with more economic opportunities.

The US on the other hand only learned from 9/11 that they should bomb the feck out of the Middle East and let Europe deal with the resulting refugee waves. If anything the US deserves to have more Muslims as a lesson to not bomb and invade and destroy other countries and Europe ought to send all its Muslim refugees to the United States.

Galwayguy35 · 01-06-2020 2:34pm

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

The Europeans are well aware of Islam, which is why you had anti-Islam parties like the Austrian People's Party, Lega Nord, and the Finns Party getting into coalition governments together and the National Front, Swedish Democrats, Vlaams Belang being the main opposition against a grand coalition which was formed against the parties getting into power. And Islam isn't a problem in Ireland because just like Poland and Portugal, feck all Muslims are coming into Ireland. They would rather head to the UK or Germany or Sweden which provide them with more economic opportunities.

The US on the other hand only learned from 9/11 that they should bomb the feck out of the Middle East and let Europe deal with the resulting refugee waves. If anything the US deserves to have more Muslims as a lesson to not bomb and invade and destroy other countries and Europe ought to send all its Muslim refugees to the United States.

There are about 64000 muslims in Ireland according to the 2016 census, a 29% increase on the previous one and the number will no doubt rise more in the by the next one thanks to Zappone.

Odhinn · 01-06-2020 2:36pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There are about 64000 muslims in Ireland according to the 2016 census, a 29% increase on the previous one and the number will no doubt rise more in the by the next one thanks to Zappone.

What did she do?

Galwayguy35 · 01-06-2020 2:44pm

Odhinn wrote: »

What did she do?

Arranging to bring over so called children with no idea of their true age.

Sultan of Bling · 01-06-2020 3:38pm

Galwayguy35 wrote:

Arranging to bring over so called children with no idea of their true age.

But but but she got that Irish fella released from jail in Egypt.

All he did was go on holiday.

rgossip30 · 02-06-2020 11:51am

end of the road wrote: »

it's not obvious so yes, one does.

This report goes back to 2011 has your head been in the sand !!

https://www.ft.com/content/4bd95562-4379-11e2-a48c-00144feabdc0

This report from 2013 .

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/370013/White-Britons-are-now-a-minority-in-4-towns-and-cities

From 2018.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/british-white-people-set-become-14830628

DelaneyIn · 02-06-2020 5:56pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Do please explain this to me.

Here we go.

Only 45 per cent of London’s population were white people of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage, according to the latest data, down from almost 60 per cent in 2001.

https://www.ft.com/content/4bd95562-4379-11e2-a48c-00144feabdc0

Shall we work on the alphabet next?

Odhinn · 02-06-2020 6:02pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Here we go.

https://www.ft.com/content/4bd95562-4379-11e2-a48c-00144feabdc0

Shall we work on the alphabet next?

That article is behind a pay wall.

Isn't a large number of foriiegn born people typical of a large and significant city? New York, for instance.

And what about those who were born in london to foriegn born parents, grand parents etc? Are they not british?

Mr. Karate · 02-06-2020 7:44pm

end of the road wrote: »

rape and other violent crimes + terrorism are illegal in ireland and will remain so.

I'm sure they are in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain but saying its illegal hasn't stopped these people from committing them. Its as if they don't respect our laws or something.

end of the road · 02-06-2020 9:18pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I'm sure they are in Germany, Sweden, France and Britain but saying its illegal hasn't stopped these people from committing them. Its as if they don't respect our laws or something.

well yeah, law breakers don't tend to respect the law, hence why there are punishments for breaches.

Mr. Karate · 02-06-2020 9:43pm

end of the road wrote: »

well yeah, law breakers don't tend to respect the law, hence why there are punishments for breaches.

How cute. You think they're punished here. If they're foreigners they should be deported, but our judges and politicians are afraid that they might be called bad names.

end of the road · 02-06-2020 10:51pm

Mr. Karate wrote: »

How cute. You think they're punished here. If they're foreigners they should be deported, but our judges and politicians are afraid that they might be called bad names.

they are punished, yes. not enough granted, but that is a separate issue which is nothing to do with foreigners.
foreign nationals are deported for all sorts of reasons, some do slip through the net granted.

Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

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