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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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  • #1302
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    The UK have it in place its how they charged one of their biggest paedos. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4541102/richard-huckle-gap-year-paedophile-stabbed-dead-prison/amp/ so it is actually possible.

    They can't charge him for being a paedophile because the age of consent in the UK is 16 years old. Virginia Roberts Giuffre was 17 years old at the time she alleges sleeping with Prince Andrew. There is no crime there.

    Technically, she could be charged with involvement in an underage prostitution racket. It is illegal to work as a prostitute in the UK under the age of 18. She will have to incriminate herself if she wishes to go legal in the UK at this stage. That appears unlikely, although it is the only way she could get a book published, so it could be more profitable to admit to an underage prostitution charge and then write her book. Only plausible if the UK " crown prosecution" decide to proceed with prosecuting someone which would implicate the Queen's favourite son.

    How do you see that panning out?

    The law is a mire sometimes.


  • #1303
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Twitter explosion which got me curious Anonymous have either gone mad or have something explosive
    also found this thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71057148 when I put Epstein's
    name into the search box, which gained no traction at all. Interesting to see how that happen sometimes.

    https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1266997070042238977


  • #1304
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Twitter explosion which got me curious Anonymous have either gone mad or have something explosive
    also found this thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71057148 when I out Epstein's
    name into the search box, which gained no traction at all. Interesting to see how that happen sometimes.

    https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/1266997070042238977

    Wait I thought Child trafficking and rape was a conspiracy theory? Pizza gate?


  • #1305
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Wait I thought Child trafficking and rape was a conspiracy theory? Pizza gate?

    I know, strange isn't it. It's against Trump so must be true but if it's against Clintons or anyone else it's a white supremacist alt right conspiracy theory.
    The world has gone mad.


  • #1306
    Sureitlbegrand
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Sureitlbegrand


    Anyone watch the Netflix documentary? If so what did you think?


  • #1307
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Sureitlbegrand wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Netflix documentary? If so what did you think?

    Watched it and I think there is more than meets the eye with Trump.

    Also Bill Clinton flat out lying about being on the Island when flight manifests showed he made the trip at least 17 times. Clearly hiding something.

    Prince Andrew up to his neck in it as we all know.

    Ultimately I think Epstein was quietened in the end. A court refusing €500 million dollars of bail is fairly insane for America.

    Acosta brought onto the Trump Administration, another dodgy **** who was up to something having let Epstein off easily with a plea deal in the face of overwhelming evidence previously.

    It goes to the top.


  • #1308
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Sureitlbegrand wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Netflix documentary? If so what did you think?

    A whitewash...
    Zero attempts to "follow the money", despite the second episode having that title.

    The insinuation was that he was just wexler's lover and used his money. And that's it really?

    It should really ask how he got started from teaching unqualified the bare Stearns billionaire daughter to jumping across into finance.

    Also His connections to another 'someone who was nobody' never really were explored https://vocal.media/theSwamp/the-epstein-associate-nobody-s-talking-about-the-idf-linked-bond-girl-infiltrating-the-uk-nhs
    This brings in state involvement.


  • #1309
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    Sureitlbegrand wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Netflix documentary? If so what did you think?

    I did, and to be honest, I… expected more. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for his victims being given time and space to speak about what he put them through. So I was glad the women spoken to were given time to say what they wanted to say. But I expected more, because I didn’t really think there was much to it? I didn't think Netflix really told us much we hadn't heard already. I knew almost all of what it covered already, just from reading a few in-depth articles on his story over the years, and I haven’t even followed the case super closely or read that many articles. I feel like a documentary that had 4 episodes should have made me think something more than "you're telling us what we've already been told". I do appreciate that they gave space to his victims to speak. And I found the interviews with the police chief who had tried to take him down years ago, and the private investigator and the lawyer Brad Edwards interesting. But I think there should have been more to it. It felt to me like they should have done a better job. I don’t think I really HAD expectations about what would be in it, but I know I expected more from Netflix than 4 episodes that didn’t really tell us anything new, to be honest.


  • #1310
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Sureitlbegrand wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Netflix documentary? If so what did you think?

    I watched it.

    I found most of the "victims" were honest with what they said. Didn't find Virginia Roberts coming across as honest. She came across as someone who wanted to "punish" anyone and everyone and not take any responsibility herself. Definitely searching for a big payday.

    I thought the calling of people as "survivors" very much tabloidesque.

    Definitely a weirdo and sex fiend and guilty of everything laid against him, but is pedophile the right accusation?
    That would suggest he meddled with young kids under 13.

    There's another name for those who target teens which would be more legally correct.

    I don't buy into any conspiracy about his death. His whole life was about teen girls and that was over, so what was the point in staying around.


  • #1311
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    whether you consider sex with a 13 year as paedophilia or not it is beyond the pale. witness statement of somebody who accused both epstein and trump of raping her.

    https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1267143029640646663


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  • #1312
    Sureitlbegrand
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Sureitlbegrand


    Wouldn't really disagree with any of your summaries. I was very disappointed felt like very little info was gained felt like an episode of The Oprah show. Would love to watch some better ones that perhaps focused on his elite friends and what dirt he has on them. Any good ones on Youtube?


  • #1313
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    .

    There will be political posturing from the US department of Justice, but there really is no one to prosecute anymore.

    GHISLAINE MAXWELL !!!!! She was the organiser and also sexually assaulted many of the girls herself!


  • #1314
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Was a bit of an uncomfortable watch, it is a grotesque case...like many Netflix true crime documentaries am unsure whether I should be giving it "views" but it wasn't sensationalised in the way some of these are. I wasn't expecting to hear anything new as regards any others that might have been involved.

    The wealthy and powerful people Epstein seems to have hob-nobbed with have the clout to put a dent in even a behemoth corporation such as Netflix if any dubious new claims not 100 % backed up by evidence or the findings of a court were made.


  • #1315
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    whether you consider sex with a 13 year as paedophilia or not it is beyond the pale. witness statement of somebody who accused both epstein and trump of raping her.

    https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1267143029640646663

    Six Women have accused Bill Clinton of raping them, do you believe them?

    Do you believe the Woman who accused Joe Biden?


  • #1316
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Six Women have accused Bill Clinton of raping them, do you believe them?

    Do you believe the Woman who accused Joe Biden?

    whatabout, whatabout


  • #1317
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    whatabout, whatabout

    I'll take that as a "I believe the accusations about the political figures I hate"

    And " I believe in baseless conspiracy theories as long as they involve political figures I hate"

    So you're a pizzagater now...quite the turnaround eh?


  • #1318
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Darc19 wrote: »
    I watched it.

    I found most of the "victims" were honest with what they said. Didn't find Virginia Roberts coming across as honest. She came across as someone who wanted to "punish" anyone and everyone and not take any responsibility herself. Definitely searching for a big payday.

    I thought the calling of people as "survivors" very much tabloidesque.

    Definitely a weirdo and sex fiend and guilty of everything laid against him, but is pedophile the right accusation?
    That would suggest he meddled with young kids under 13.

    There's another name for those who target teens which would be more legally correct.

    I don't buy into any conspiracy about his death. His whole life was about teen girls and that was over, so what was the point in staying around.



    Where did he get his money?


  • #1319
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    I'll take that as a "I believe the accusations about the political figures I hate"

    And " I believe in baseless conspiracy theories as long as they involve political figures I hate"

    So you're a pizzagater now...quite the turnaround eh?

    Strawman


  • #1320
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    I'll take that as a "I believe the accusations about the political figures I hate"

    And " I believe in baseless conspiracy theories as long as they involve political figures I hate"

    So you're a pizzagater now...quite the turnaround eh?

    baseless? hmm the lawsuits filed against trump that he settled out of court must be imaginary.


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  • #1321
    chicorytip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Darc19 wrote: »
    I watched it.

    I found most of the "victims" were honest with what they said. Didn't find Virginia Roberts coming across as honest. She came across as someone who wanted to "punish" anyone and everyone and not take any responsibility herself. Definitely searching for a big payday.

    I thought the calling of people as "survivors" very much tabloidesque.

    Definitely a weirdo and sex fiend and guilty of everything laid against him, but is pedophile the right accusation?
    That would suggest he meddled with young kids under 13.

    There's another name for those who target teens which would be more legally correct.

    I don't buy into any conspiracy about his death. His whole life was about teen girls and that was over, so what was the point in staying around.
    Not all of the featured women were minors when they first met Epstein. The tall red haired lady was twenty one years of age so not exactly a naive teenager, vulnerable or from a dysfunctional background. I presume she was not kept chained in a cellar so could have upped and left of her own free will - if she had chosen to.


  • #1322
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    GHISLAINE MAXWELL !!!!! She was the organiser and also sexually assaulted many of the girls herself!

    There's also Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and Prince Andrew.


  • #1323
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    whether you consider sex with a 13 year as paedophilia or not it is beyond the pale. witness statement of somebody who accused both epstein and trump of raping her.

    https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1267143029640646663

    Why is this on a paid service? Not Anonymous' style at all. Also why is there no date on the first page? If the date of this was before Trump ran for election I would be much more inclined to believe it was possibly genuine.

    Are lawsuits secret in the US?


  • #1324
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    There's also Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, and Prince Andrew.

    True, but I'd reverse the order there. Trump is only tenuously linked to Epstein unlike the two others who are up to their eyeballs with him.


  • #1325
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    True, but I'd reverse the order there. Trump is only tenuously linked to Epstein unlike the two others who are up to their eyeballs with him.

    trump was named as a co-defendent in a lawsuit taken by a woman that was raped by both trump and epstein while she was 13. the link is not tenuous.


  • #1326
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    trump was named as a co-defendent in a lawsuit taken by a woman that was raped by both trump and epstein while she was 13. the link is not tenuous.

    I was just reading the document and that was thrown out of court. Trump's name was added to the lawsuit at the last minute. Not saying it isn't possible, but on a scale of evidence, where there is
    • Video footage of Prince Andrew with Epstein after he was released from prison
    • closing the door to Epstein's mansion after seeing out a very young woman
    • Photographic evidence of him with Virginia Giuffre
    • An eyewitness account of him on the island with Virginia Giuffre where she was topless and he was grinding against her by the pool

    As for Clinton
    • He flew to the island 27 times according to the flight records,
    • The same eyewitness saw him at the house several times

    I don't care about the politics one way or another, maybe Trump was up to his eyes with Epstein too, but if he was, he covered his tracks remarkably well for such a recognisable figure.


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  • #1327
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »

    I was just reading the document and that was thrown out of court. Trump's name was added to the lawsuit at the last minute. Not saying it isn't possible, but on a scale of evidence, where there is
    • Video footage of Prince Andrew with Epstein after he was released from prison and closing the door to Epstein's mansion after seeing out a very young woman,
    • Photographic evidence of him with Virginia Giuffre
    • An eyewitness account of him on the island with Virginia Giuffre where she was topless and he was grinding against her by the pool

    As for Clinton
    • He flew to the island 27 times according to the flight records,
    • The same eyewitness saw him at the house several times

    I don't care about the politics one way or another, maybe Trump was up to his eyes with Epstein too, but if he was, he covered his tracks remarkably well for such a recognisable figure.

    he covered his tracks by settling out of court multiple times.


  • #1328
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he covered his tracks by settling out of court multiple times.

    So not one of his accusers were prepared to take him on in court? Why would that be? They weren't afraid of Harvey Weinstein. Or Brett Kavanaugh. Or hundreds of others.

    Settling out of court would be the sensible thing to do whether you were guilty or innocent in these cases. The whole legal system in Ireland works like that here. If you ever had an insurance claim you will know this. I'm sure the US is no different.

    Let's see what Joe Biden does with Tara Reade.


  • #1329
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Darc19 wrote: »
    I watched it.

    I found most of the "victims" were honest with what they said. Didn't find Virginia Roberts coming across as honest. She came across as someone who wanted to "punish" anyone and everyone and not take any responsibility herself. Definitely searching for a big payday.

    I thought the calling of people as "survivors" very much tabloidesque.

    Definitely a weirdo and sex fiend and guilty of everything laid against him, but is pedophile the right accusation?
    That would suggest he meddled with young kids under 13.

    There's another name for those who target teens which would be more legally correct.

    I don't buy into any conspiracy about his death. His whole life was about teen girls and that was over, so what was the point in staying around.

    I watched the first episode and decided it was rubbish for the tabloid-esque narrative.

    It relied on emotional manipulation of the viewer in order to bolster the stories of the so-called "survivors", with two particular techniques that stood out;

    (1) Showing a photo of one woman when she was no more than 10 years old as she described her experience, despite the fact she was 16 (and claiming to be 18, if asked) when her story happened.

    (2) One girl introducing her background as being into drink and smoking weed and being raped before she spoke of her experience with Epstein. While that is **** for her, her background story was not Epstein's fault but this back story was included in the documentary in order to make the viewer have sympathy for her and therefore whatever she says happened with Epstein must be necessarily awful.

    As a result, I felt that the stories of the victims were purposely dressed up as the reality appeared to be that, while he was a creep, there weren't a whole lot of crimes in any of the stories told in the first episode.

    For every young woman speaking in the first episode, they seemed to volunteer to massage a rich guy for a few hundred dollars and none of them said anything about being forced to do anything, just about being uncomfortable. Their friends told them about the job and they willingly went but the way their stories are portrayed it was as if they had no idea what was happening despite being old enough. They basically reduced themselves to having no ability to make any decision for themselves. It was a bit ironic that the first girl was obsessed with painting naked women when she was a young artist and then a later survivor's story told of her unpleasant feeling at seeing drawings of naked women on the walls of Epstein's mansion.

    I mean it's Netflix so I didn't have much hope for it to be partial but I was hoping to get a better insight into actual crimes rather than how much of a creep he was as I'm not overly familiar with the story of Epstein.


  • #1330
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So not one of his accusers were prepared to take him on in court? Why would that be? They weren't afraid of Harvey Weinstein. Or Brett Kavanaugh. Or hundreds of others.

    Settling out of court would be the sensible thing to do whether you were guilty or innocent in these cases. The whole legal system in Ireland works like that here. If you ever had an insurance claim you will know this. I'm sure the US is no different.

    Let's see what Joe Biden does with Tara Reade.

    they were civil cases not criminal.


  • #1331
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Let's see what Joe Biden does with Tara Reade.

    As it stands does he have to do something? Where is it on the road map of these things?


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  • #1332
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    As it stands does he have to do something? Where is it on the road map of these things?

    I don't think the law is involved in any way yet.


  • #1333
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Back on topic - what astonished me was the unbelievable plea deal that Epstein got considering the weight of evidence against him.


  • #1334
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Is there any good link with the settlements Trump made in relation to sexual assault accusations?


  • #1335
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Back on topic - what astonished me was the unbelievable plea deal that Epstein got considering the weight of evidence against him.

    It's obvious he was connected.
    But how?


  • #1336
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Treppen wrote: »
    It's obvious he was connected.
    But how?


    We were none the wiser after the documentary. Considering the way all the major US networks and the representatives at both sides of the aisle dropped this story like a hot potato it goes deep. See how ABC quashed the story : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/us-broadcaster-abc-news-reporters-story-about-epstein-was-kill/11675820


  • #1337
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We were none the wiser after the documentary. Considering the way all the major US networks and the representatives at both sides of the aisle dropped this story like a hot potato it goes deep. See how ABC quashed the story : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/us-broadcaster-abc-news-reporters-story-about-epstein-was-kill/11675820

    really there was nothing new in the documentary. If anything it was closing down the money question by sanitising it into a pervy Jeffry expose.
    Gislane came off pretty ok too by all accounts, no mention of Robert Maxwell's iss dealings or Jeffries links to Israel prime minister.


  • #1338
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Reports in the last hour that Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested by the FBI.


  • #1339
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Reports in the last hour that Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested by the FBI.

    Wow. Finally. Fantastic news!


  • #1340
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Confirmed

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-charges-latest-fbi


    How long does she have left? Place your bets.


  • #1341
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    Will her nationality (British) cause any complications for the FBI?

    She might be subject to different rules as a non-American


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  • #1342
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Will her nationality (British) cause any complications for the FBI?

    Nah, gravity and rope have the same effects on Brits as anyone else..


  • #1343
    dhaughton99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭dhaughton99


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Will her nationality (British) cause any complications for the FBI?

    She might be subject to different rules as a non-American

    Or that her father was Mossad.


  • #1344
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Plot twist, this only happened a few days ago.

    "Attorneys representing Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre must destroy evidence from her case against Ghislaine Maxwell"


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483209/Attorneys-representing-Virginia-Giuffre-ordered-destroy-evidence.html


  • #1345
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Plot twist, this only happened a few days ago.

    "Attorneys representing Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre must destroy evidence from her case against Ghislaine Maxwell"


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483209/Attorneys-representing-Virginia-Giuffre-ordered-destroy-evidence.html

    that has no effect on any criminal case.


  • #1346
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that has no effect on any criminal case.

    I never said it had.


  • #1347
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    This development could bring down celebrities and politicians, especially in an election year.

    Unfortunately I'd fear for her. Faulty brakes, overdose, etc.


  • #1348
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    I never said it had.

    i know


  • #1349
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,121 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    This development could bring down celebrities and politicians, especially in an election year.

    Unfortunately I'd fear for her. Faulty brakes, overdose, etc.

    I think they need to put her in the cell they made for Magneto...


  • #1350
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Wonder if she’ll dish the dirt and claim she was a victim too for a deal. Hope she names names and points to damning evidence.


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  • #1351
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Wasn't she supposed to be hiding out in France or something? Then she turns up in New Hampshire and is arrested.
    Maybe she made a deal...


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