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Connacht Team Talk Thread V - The Friend Zone

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    I trust Friendy and the branch but when they mentioned NIQ earlier this season they said the signing was dependent on CC rugby. This lad is a 7's lad with little union pedigree that I can see. He defo won't up any season ticket sales.


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


    I trust Friendy and the branch but when they mentioned NIQ earlier this season they said the signing was dependent on CC rugby. This lad is a 7's lad with little union pedigree that I can see. He defo won't up any season ticket sales.

    Are we eligible for another NIQ budget allowing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Lebute wrote: »
    Are we eligible for another NIQ budget allowing?

    The NIQ rules were never particularly transparent or rigid, is there any information on what the policy is since the residency period was extended to 5 years? Are the IRFU still actively pursuing project players?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,409 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Lebute wrote: »
    Are we eligible for another NIQ budget allowing?

    Connacht like all the provinces have a budget to work to, it will be the smallest budget as the portion that comes from sponsorship and gate receipts will be the lowest of the 4. Don’t think they will get extra off the irfu for another player they will either have cash available or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    Does anybody know when our sponsor deals run out ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Happy birthday Dave Foley, next Connacht lock!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    FACECUTTR wrote: »
    Does anybody know when our sponsor deals run out?
    which?
    BOI has 2 years to run. elverys is up now i think at end this season


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    which?
    BOI has 2 years to run. elverys is up now i think at end this season

    The Elverys one. Hopefully we can get a better deal with the Champions Cup exposure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,372 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    salmocab wrote: »
    Connacht like all the provinces have a budget to work to, it will be the smallest budget as the portion that comes from sponsorship and gate receipts will be the lowest of the 4. Don’t think they will get extra off the irfu for another player they will either have cash available or not.

    Seeing how Ulster have received serious help over the past 12 months from the IRFU and Munster before that I had hoped we might get a little something especially as the province is obviously performing possibly even above expectations. But that won't last without improving your squad because if you're not improving you are going backwards.

    Right now I think the squad is arguably slightly weaker than it was last season. Let alone better. Now maybe that will change. Let's hope so anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    The Friend Zone
    Seeing how Ulster have received serious help over the past 12 months from the IRFU and Munster before that I had hoped we might get a little something especially as the province is obviously performing possibly even above expectations. But that won't last without improving your squad because if you're not improving you are going backwards.

    Right now I think the squad is arguably slightly weaker than it was last season. Let alone better. Now maybe that will change. Let's hope so anyway.

    It could also be possible that some of our budget and Irfu support is going to be tied up in the new stadium.

    No reason why with good coaches the players we have can’t continue to improve as they’ve done this season


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,372 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    KBurke85 wrote: »
    It could also be possible that some of our budget and Irfu support is going to be tied up in the new stadium.

    No reason why with good coaches the players we have can’t continue to improve as they’ve done this season

    Could be alright. Full planning permission just been granted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    Paddy McAllister named as tight head sub for Gloucester


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Seeing how Ulster have received serious help over the past 12 months from the IRFU and Munster before that I had hoped we might get a little something especially as the province is obviously performing possibly even above expectations. But that won't last without improving your squad because if you're not improving you are going backwards.


    They have? Please enlighten us. I'm pretty sure your guess is off the mark. Ulster have a smaller squad than Connacht and have been helped so much by the IRFU that the side are dependent on Academy players such as:-

    Eric O'Sullivan,

    Tom O'Toole,

    Marcus Rea,

    Matty Rea,

    Matthew Dalton,

    Robert Baloucoune,

    Dave Busby,

    Angus Curtis,

    Greg Jones,

    Adam McBurney,

    Jack Owens,

    Johnny Stewart,

    Aaron Hall,

    James Hume,

    Angus Kernohan,

    Michael Lowry,



    I suspect that Ulster have deeper pockets than Connacht because of much bigger crowds and better sponsorship deals. It is these facts rather than Ulster getting lots of mythical help which is any better than Connacht receives. Ulster have recruited well from a very poor place partially of their own making and partially as a result of actions taken by the Union. The seemingly good recruitment is perhaps on the basis that coaches and players see Ulster as an attractive place to go and see a new squad developing that might at last get to the required level. Good crowds, a state of the art training facility and the most modern and up to date rugby stadium in Europe. The moves of the likes of Moore, Cooney, McGrath and Murphy were all instigated by the players themselves for their own advantage. They weren't 'moved' there by Nucifora. When he tried to move Carbery to Ulster that player chose differently.


    Ulster got a new CEO because they needed one, the previous one was a waste of blood and organs. They got a new Head Coach because they really needed one. These new guys applied for their jobs and were lucky enough to get them. They weren't flown in by the IRFU just as the staff in Galway were appointed by Connacht.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Paddy McAllister named as tight head sub for Gloucester

    Weird.. maybe bealham moved back to LH if Kenny/Burke prove to be ok and if needed.. thanks for the piece of news...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    connachta wrote: »
    Weird.. maybe bealham moved back to LH if Kenny/Burke prove to be ok and if needed.. thanks for the piece of news...

    He's covering Tighthead from the bench because they are stuck. Connacht don't need to or won't move Bealham to LH unless we are very stuck just like Gloucester.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Donald Trumped


    Good news for Connacht fans. Planning permission for their new 30 million euro development of the Sportsground, has been granted. As a Munster fan I hope that everything goes smoothly. That's the very least the Connacht fans deserve, to whom I have always had great time for.

    On a separate note, a certain Mr. Varadkar was there in Galway for the announcement. You know that an election is on the way. Talk about a man looking for a good pr photo shoot!

    https://twitter.com/connachtrugby/status/1129344415020060672


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Be better if Varadkar had announced funding approval for the stadium, but maybe the fact he was there suggests it will be forthcoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Mul, it's over
    Zzippy wrote: »
    Be better if Varadkar had announced funding approval for the stadium, but maybe the fact he was there suggests it will be forthcoming.

    https://twitter.com/linleymackenzie/status/1129361422121668610?s=19

    And for those who can't see twitter in work:
    Linley MacKenzie

    Good news for Connacht Rugby- Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in his visit to Sportsground today, says he’s “very confident” Connacht Rugby’s new stadium plan will receive funding from Government’s large scale sporting infrastructural fund.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    I can't believe it's not Butler
    Just waiting for a poster to deflate us all with their "intimate knowledge" of Leo Varadkar's list of preferences for that funding.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Evil_g


    Mul, it's over
    Eh. Why didn't Munster just ask for 20 mil off the government?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Mul, it's over
    Evil_g wrote: »
    Eh. Why didn't Munster just ask for 20 mil off the government?

    Pretty sure Munster applied and received funding from the exact same sports infrastructure fund as Connacht are? Leinster have also applied for 20m for the redevelopment of the RDS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Mul, it's over
    Couple positive stats from the season that I haven't seen mentioned: 3rd overall in the league for turnovers. A lot of people have been critical of our breakdown work(myself included) but obviously it's our offensive breakdown work that needs looking at. We seem to be turning over a very healthy amount of ball when defending.

    Tackle success at 88.3% for the season. Second only to Leinster in teams that made the knockouts.

    Both of those are things that people would have said in the past needed to be improved. Steps are being made in the right direction clearly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    Bazzo wrote: »
    Couple positive stats from the season that I haven't seen mentioned: 3rd overall in the league for turnovers. A lot of people have been critical of our breakdown work(myself included) but obviously it's our offensive breakdown work that needs looking at. We seem to be turning over a very healthy amount of ball when defending.

    Tackle success at 88.3% for the season. Second only to Leinster in teams that made the knockouts.

    Both of those are things that people would have said in the past needed to be improved. Steps are being made in the right direction clearly.

    Very interesting stats, didn’t get the feel Connacht were that high watching the games live.

    On a side note Murray kinsella on the 42s podcast mentioned u20 hooker Declan adamson was joining connachts academy next season. He did travel with the eagles to Boston


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    You've got a Friend in me
    Evil_g wrote: »
    Eh. Why didn't Munster just ask for 20 mil off the government?

    ??

    Because the fund has only just been set up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    ??

    Because the fund has only just been set up

    Pretty sure Munster got a sports capital grant from the National Lottery at the time, which would be a similar State funding mechanism. Not sure how much they got though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Zzippy wrote: »
    ??

    Because the fund has only just been set up

    Pretty sure Munster got a sports capital grant from the National Lottery at the time, which would be a similar State funding mechanism. Not sure how much they got though.

    I definitely remember the grant. Same as yourself though, I'm not sure how much they got.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭tobdom


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Couple positive stats from the season that I haven't seen mentioned: 3rd overall in the league for turnovers. A lot of people have been critical of our breakdown work(myself included) but obviously it's our offensive breakdown work that needs looking at. We seem to be turning over a very healthy amount of ball when defending.

    Have to say I was very surprised reading that stat about our turnover success..... But I would be interested to see the reverse stat in terms of how much we coughed up, as we seem to have been turned over far too easily far too often all season. A very positive session overall however


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    Heard a rumour yesterday that Connacht are in for Bill Johnston. Media coverage made it seem like Ulster was done deal so not sure how accurate but the guy who said it to me wouldn’t be a spoofer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Mul, it's over
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Heard a rumour yesterday that Connacht are in for Bill Johnston. Media coverage made it seem like Ulster was done deal so not sure how accurate but the guy who said it to me wouldn’t be a spoofer.

    How does that work then? I think I rem hearing that the provinces can't outbid each other so it's basically up to the individual. Is that correct?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Heard a rumour yesterday that Connacht are in for Bill Johnston. Media coverage made it seem like Ulster was done deal so not sure how accurate but the guy who said it to me wouldn’t be a spoofer.

    Would make sense as a third IQ signing. Ulster would probably need him more long term but Connacht could say he’s first choice while cartys gone to World Cup. Also a lot easier to travel up and down from limerick to Galway


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    PCeeeee wrote: »
    How does that work then? I think I rem hearing that the provinces can't outbid each other so it's basically up to the individual. Is that correct?

    Yeah would be his choice if both provinces are in for him as far as I know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Would make sense as a third IQ signing. Ulster would probably need him more long term but Connacht could say he’s first choice while cartys gone to World Cup. Also a lot easier to travel up and down from limerick to Galway

    Yeah and he would already know a few in the Connacht dressing room fairly well. Lloyd, the two Fitzgeralds. Nigel Carolan coached him at u-20s too


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    Bill Johnston officially signed for ulster today


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Bill Johnston officially signed for ulster today

    That's a pity. Thought Connacht would be the easier sell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    That's a pity. Thought Connacht would be the easier sell.

    Yeah it is a pity, better career move for him though, easier to become first choice in ulster, who also have recruited a lot better


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Yeah it is a pity, better career move for him though, easier to become first choice in ulster, who also have recruited a lot better

    Bill johnston to Ulster confirmed.

    https://www.ulsterrugby.com/2019/05/bill-johnston-to-join-ulster/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Some Like It TOH
    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    That's a pity. Thought Connacht would be the easier sell.

    Carty would seem more nailed down as the starting 10 with his province than Billy Burns at Ulster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Carty would seem more nailed down as the starting 10 with his province than Billy Burns at Ulster.

    Yeah you're probably right. Might just have been wishful thinking. I'm a split Munster/Connacht fan so my view is skewed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


      Mr Tickle wrote: »
      Yeah you're probably right. Might just have been wishful thinking. I'm a split Munster/Connacht fan so my view is skewed.

      Johnny McPhillips to Connacht supposedly.


    • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭RobbieRuns


      Lebute wrote: »
      Johnny McPhillips to Connacht supposedly.


      Can't see that as a good move


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    • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


      The Friend Zone
      No offense to mcphillips but apart from a bit more experience at senior level he doesn’t offer much more than Fitzgerald/ dean. Johnston has a higher potential than all of them so that made some sense.


    • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


      Wegians89 wrote: »
      No offense to mcphillips but apart from a bit more experience at senior level he doesn’t offer much more than Fitzgerald/ dean. Johnston has a higher potential than all of them so that made some sense.

      Agree 100% with Horwitz , Fitzgerald and Deane he is not adding anything.


    • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


      Would a stupid signing. Horwitz is gonna get a few starts if Carty is gone WC with one of the other two as replacements.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


      Mul, it's over
      I think it'd be no harm to be honest. McPhillips has looked good in bits at senior level, out of his depth at others. He was pretty good at underage level and I doubt he'd be expensive. Let them all scrap it out and whoever is the best prospect will surely come out on top.


    • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


      The Friend Zone
      Could see a scenario, where if cartys is gone to the World Cup, mcphillips was signed on a short term/ loan deal. If he impresses then could be signed on permanently.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭evil_seed


      The Friend Zone
      A few weeks ago we're crying out at the lack of depth at 10. Now we're lining up a 10 to add depth and we're crying still. Some people are never feckin happy


    • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Wegians89


      The Friend Zone
      evil_seed wrote: »
      A few weeks ago we're crying out at the lack of depth at 10. Now we're lining up a 10 to add depth and we're crying still. Some people are never feckin happy

      While depth is needed, it is someone who could come in with the quality to challenge carty similar to blade/ marmion. There’s three talented young 10s in Fitzgerald, dean and Luke carty, don’t think need to add another.

      Saying that there’s no Irish qualified 10 of a good enough standard available at the minute.


    • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


      evil_seed wrote: »
      A few weeks ago we're crying out at the lack of depth at 10. Now we're lining up a 10 to add depth and we're crying still. Some people are never feckin happy

      I think it shows a lack of faith in Horwitz/Dean/Fitzgerald/Luke Carty tbh. These are lads that have deals that would at least run through end of next season and they want to throw in a very inconsistent Ulster backup into that mixer for what would likely be just a 6 week stretch.

      There's savvy signings and then there's signing just for the sake of it.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


      evil_seed wrote: »
      A few weeks ago we're crying out at the lack of depth at 10. Now we're lining up a 10 to add depth and we're crying still. Some people are never feckin happy

      I think it shows a lack of faith in Horwitz/Dean/Fitzgerald/Luke Carty tbh. These are lads that have deals that would at least run through end of next season and they want to throw in a very inconsistent Ulster backup into that mixer for what would likely be just a 6 week stretch.

      There's savvy signings and then there's signing just for the sake of it.

      It could be a Nucifora special. Johnston and McPhillips moving at the same time smacks of co-ordination.

      Ulster need a better option at backup and a challenger to Burns, Connacht need some depth. And Munster could afford to shed Johnston in the first place because they have their player of the future in Carbery.

      The likes of Carbery and McGrath get the headlines but Nucifora doesn't just sit around the rest of the year, this is exactly the sort of thing he was brought in for. Allocating our limited resources more intelligently across the island to counter the trucks of cash and player pools across the water.


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    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


      Some Like It TOH
      Maybe a change of scenery will be good for McPhillips.


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