VRT pickle

4JAKE · 10-12-2018 1:42am #1

Looking for some help.
I imported a car from Japan a couple of months ago,long story short it turned out a bit of a disaster with rust and bad crash repair.

I have been working at it to get it back to a decent standard, problem is the VRT and length it’s taking me.

Obviously they will have a date of when it came in to Dublin port, and again I have it repaired between funding it bit by bit and time etc etc it’s going to be 6/7 months before I can vrt it...

Is there any way I can loose the penalties as they will be high, vrt is circa 6k alone.

I have thought about saying car went to the north from the port, and was stored there etc etc but don’t know what will work.

If anyone has any knowledge or help it would be greatly appreciated, pm if preferred. At the moment it’s looking like I will have to spend around 4K to get the car back to a condition I would be happy with.

mickdw · 10-12-2018 1:44am

4JAKE wrote: »

Looking for some help.
I imported a car from Japan a couple of months ago,long story short it turned out a bit of a disaster with rust and bad crash repair.

I have been working at it to get it back to a decent standard, problem is the VRT and length it’s taking me.

Obviously they will have a date of when it came in to Dublin port, and again I have it repaired between funding it bit by bit and time etc etc it’s going to be 6/7 months before I can vrt it...

Is there any way I can loose the penalties as they will be high, vrt is circa 6k alone.

I have thought about saying car went to the north from the port, and was stored there etc etc but not what will work.

If anyone has any knowledge or help it would be greatly appreciated, pm if preferred. At the moment it’s looking like I will have to spend around 4K to get the car back to a condition I would be happy with.

Vrt it now?

4JAKE · 10-12-2018 2:35am

mickdw wrote: »

Vrt it now?

Not an option as it’s in a million pieces

Henry Ford III · 10-12-2018 12:32pm

4JAKE wrote: »

Not an option as it’s in a million pieces

Take pics, show the issues and ask VRO what they think. Explain why you can't VRT it now.

Toyotafanboi · 10-12-2018 12:43pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Take pics, show the issues and ask VRO what they think. Explain why you can't VRT it now.

Why he can't VRT it now isn't really their issue though.

The car has to be registered within 30 days of arriving and I don't think the OP has a strong excuse for not doing that, I assume it didn't arrive off the boat in "a million pieces". Even if it wasn't driving, it should have been trailered to the VRT center.

They are fairly ruthless, so I'd say they don't do sympathy or rule bending for scenarios like this unfortunately.

Hope it works out for you though OP, what did you import? Post pics, I love Jap stuff :pac:

Henry Ford III · 10-12-2018 1:26pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Why he can't VRT it now isn't really their issue though....

Agreed.

Letting them know the state of the car, and the extent of the repair couldn't make the position any worse could it?

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 10-12-2018 1:28pm

It should have been VRTd within 30 days of it landing, million pieces or not. They'll even VRT the million pieces, the inspection is just to confirm the spec

Casati · 10-12-2018 1:53pm

Janessa Nutty Sunlamp wrote: »

It should have been VRTd within 30 days of it landing, million pieces or not. They'll even VRT the million pieces, the inspection is just to confirm the spec

If you bring in just the shell now then the vrt would be on the market value of the shell and not on the open market value of a pristine fully assembled car surely?

bazz26 · 10-12-2018 1:56pm

Casati wrote: »

If you bring in just the shell now then the vrt would be on the market value of the shell and not on the open market value of a pristine fully assembled car surely?

Don't think so, otherwise cute hoors would be stripping cars, then VRTing them as shells and then reassembling them afterwards. Revenue will value you it as being in reasonable condition, they don't care whether it's damaged, missing an engine or stripped.

drunkmonkey · 10-12-2018 2:13pm

Isn't there a reduction in vrt if it's shook, I'd trailer it to them.

ceekay74 · 10-12-2018 2:34pm

You can't register the car and pay VRT if it's not roadworthy.

When the car is roadworthy, VRT it. You will have to pay the late registration fee or whatever it's called and the appeal the imposed fee to your local Revenue office. Keep all your documents/invoices and take photos as you go as evidence to back up your account of what happened.

4JAKE · 10-12-2018 2:49pm

I know I have done it arse ways, but before I went and paid vrt I wanted to see was the car even worth trying to save, before I knew where I was I had car stripped to a bare shell, the crash repaired sections and rust sections cut out.

Knowing now what it needs I would of never proceeded with it and just broke it for parts and cut my losses.

There is certain criteria for cars to be vrt’d, like it must be capable of propulsion etc, so I don’t know if I can come from this angle to avoid the delay penalty.. or if I say it went into storage in the north of Ireland and show some kind of a receipt etc for the few months would that work? Or could I sell it on paper to a Northern state person and buy it back off them on paper a few months later??

I know the vrt has to be paid it’s the penalty I’m trying to avoid, I’ve been hit hard enough in pocket by this pig in a bag car without having to stump up couple of grand penalties.

10-12-2018 3:00pm

just say you bought it privately up the north and produce a hand written receipt from a few days before going to register it.

4JAKE · 10-12-2018 4:51pm

Lana Faithful Reggae wrote: »

just say you bought it privately up the north and produce a hand written receipt from a few days before going to register it.

But my name would be on all paperwork for the import from Japan so I’m not sure if that would work

Pops_20 · 10-12-2018 5:28pm

Make a VRT appointment for the car and just trailer it to the centre in whatever state it's in now. The penalties aren't that high. Just save yourself the hassle and pay what's owed sooner rather than later.

EDIT: I see you said its in pieces so can't be brought to the VRT centre yet. I guess you'll have to wait until its roadworthy and then take it. I'm not sure it's worth trying to mess around with the paperwork since your name is on all documents.

I still don't think the late payment is that bad.

Section 62, Finance (No. 2) Act
2008 amends Section 132, Finance Act, 1992 and provides for an additional VRT charge
(where, for example, a vehicle has not been registered within the 30 day limit) calculated
using the formula A x P x N where A is the VRT, P is 0.1% and N is the number of days

So you'd be likely to pay:

6,000 * 0.001 * 7 months (210 days) = €1,260

4JAKE · 10-12-2018 6:27pm

Pops_20 wrote: »

Make a VRT appointment for the car and just trailer it to the centre in whatever state it's in now. The penalties aren't that high. Just save yourself the hassle and pay what's owed sooner rather than later.

EDIT: I see you said its in pieces so can't be brought to the VRT centre yet. I guess you'll have to wait until its roadworthy and then take it. I'm not sure it's worth trying to mess around with the paperwork since your name is on all documents.

I still don't think the late payment is that bad.

Section 62, Finance (No. 2) Act
2008 amends Section 132, Finance Act, 1992 and provides for an additional VRT charge
(where, for example, a vehicle has not been registered within the 30 day limit) calculated
using the formula A x P x N where A is the VRT, P is 0.1% and N is the number of days

So you'd be likely to pay:

6,000 * 0.001 * 7 months (210 days) = €1,260

It’s just it’s on top of another 4-5k of unexpected cost to repair the car.

Marcusm · 11-12-2018 12:41am

Janessa Nutty Sunlamp wrote: »

It should have been VRTd within 30 days of it landing, million pieces or not. They'll even VRT the million pieces, the inspection is just to confirm the spec

If it was in a million pieces or undriveable when it got off the boat then it would not be possible to VRT it as it must be capable of propulsion.

Marcusm · 11-12-2018 12:43am

bazz26 wrote: »

Don't think so, otherwise cute hoors would be stripping cars, then VRTing them as shells and then reassembling them afterwards. Revenue will value you it as being in reasonable condition, they don't care whether it's damaged, missing an engine or stripped.

If it’s missing an engine then it is not a “mechanically propeller vehicle”, is incapable of being registered and not subject to VRT at that point.

4JAKE · 11-12-2018 9:51am

Marcusm wrote: »

If it’s missing an engine then it is not a “mechanically propeller vehicle”, is incapable of being registered and not subject to VRT at that point.

Would it have to be missing engine or if engine was blown would that count

Marcusm · 11-12-2018 10:55pm

4JAKE wrote: »

Would it have to be missing engine or if engine was blown would that count

It must be “capable of achieving vehicle propulsion” at the time of registration to count as a mechanically propelled vehicle.if it was not so capable at the point of import then it only needs to be registered when it is so capable. It would be best if it was established and verified to be incapable at the port of entry.

newmember2 · 12-12-2018 11:57pm

Car is supposed to be able to have been driven under its own power for the VRT inspection - so you'll need wheels and more than likely an engine in it. Transporting it and letting it down in the NCT centre yard would probably be OK - they'd probably not even notice and There'll possibly be someone along shortly to say they've had a vehicle inspected while on a trailer.

Irish Steve · 14-12-2018 1:59am

Applus (VRT inspectors at NCT centres) won't inspect a vehicle that can't move under it's own power, but in the same vein, they will surcharge for "late" payment, which will most likely be refunded on appeal, I brought a Citroen Picasso in from the UK on a trailer at the end of 2017, non driveable due to total clutch failure, and it was considerably more than a month (other issues ) before it was ready to be inspected and VRT'd. Had to pay the surcharge, but it was refunded on appeal.

Isambard · 14-12-2018 9:02am

4JAKE wrote: »

It’s just it’s on top of another 4-5k of unexpected cost to repair the car.

and the 6000 itself..must be special for you not to be writing it off to experience.

Notch000 · 14-12-2018 11:48am

didnt some lad get screwed on this by restoring an escort cosworth shell he bought for 20p orginally, VRT calued it at somehting ike 50K + penealties when it was restored. This he was goign to the EU for an appeal

michellie · 22-12-2018 9:26pm

People above are right, it needs to be able to drive, you could be asked to drive it to prove that at your appointment.

Since its a Jap import you cant pretend it went up north to be stored, the date of entry will be as per whats on the SAD doc..Also this whole "i stored it in the north thing,here is a receipt i wrote out in my car in the NCT carpark" doesn't work anymore.

You'll have to suck up the penalties and try and appeal afterwards.

VRT pickle

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