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Birth certs, Marriage Certs and Death Certs

  • 17-07-2015 3:20pm
    #1
    kboc
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭


    Hi there,

    I am researching the family tree.

    I have subscribed to Ancestry's premium subscription. I don't seem to get access to any birth, marriage or death certs. Is this the case? Can they be found elsewhere on the web?

    thanks
    Kevin


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  • #2
    shanew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    presume you mean Irish records .... Ancestry dont have Irish Civil certs, just the BMD Index. They have some extracted civil records, but most of these plus the full BMD Index are available free on FamilySearch, and the full BMD Index is free on the IrishGenealogy website.

    RootsIreland (pay-website) has civil records as transcripts for some of the counties it covers.


  • #3
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Hi Kevin,

    Have a read of our sticky, which will give you some pointers.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056388162

    Pinky

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #4
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    kboc wrote: »
    Hi there,

    I am researching the family tree.

    I have subscribed to Ancestry's premium subscription. I don't seem to get access to any birth, marriage or death certs. Is this the case? Can they be found elsewhere on the web?

    thanks
    Kevin

    The only place you can really get BMD Certs is from the General Register Office. Subscription sites will allow you access to the indexes but for privacy reasons/because it's such a cash cow the only shop in town is the GRO


  • #5
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    P_1 wrote: »
    The only place you can really get BMD Certs is from the General Register Office. Subscription sites will allow you access to the indexes but for privacy reasons/because it's such a cash cow the only shop in town is the GRO

    The intent is for the images over 100 (births), 75 (marriages) and 50 (deaths) to go online free in 2016. The GRO office likely covers its costs and not much more, its no cash cow - that's why it was booted out to cheaper premises.

    There is no equivalent or - or intention to have an equivalent of - ScotlandsPeople to rinse expats here, thankfully. We'd prefer to get the diaspora to come here and spend cash here rather than spend the cash finding out they are part of the diaspora...


  • #6
    kboc
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭kboc


    Ok, i am starting to realise these websites like ancestry have not all the info I need, despite what they say.

    How can I order a birth/marriage/death cert of a person if all the info i have is from the 1901 and/or 1911 census? Is it possible?

    thanks
    Kevin


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  • #7
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    kboc wrote: »
    Ok, i am starting to realise these websites like ancestry have not all the info I need, despite what they say.

    How can I order a birth/marriage/death cert of a person if all the info i have is from the 1901 and/or 1911 census? Is it possible?

    thanks
    Kevin

    You'll need to pay a search fee in that case and may not be guaranteed a single result.

    Anyone* born between 1864-1915 should be on the GRO's indexes here. The census will give you an age - don't assume its entirely accurate - and a birth county - also not guaranteed to be accurate! With the reference numbers from there, you can order a certificate without a search fee.

    *with some patchiness in early years


  • #8
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    kboc wrote: »
    Ok, i am starting to realise these websites like ancestry have not all the info I need, despite what they say.

    How can I order a birth/marriage/death cert of a person if all the info i have is from the 1901 and/or 1911 census? Is it possible?

    thanks
    Kevin

    Ancestry have transcriptions of the indexes going up to 1958, you should be able to get the volume and page number from it, that will give you what you need to order the cert. Just keep an eye on the spelling of the names, sometimes they can be "interpreted" in interesting ways


  • #9
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    KBOC,

    If you read the sticky, how to extrapolate from the records and then order certs is explained.

    Pinky

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #10
    kboc
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭kboc


    After reading the web in relation to getting a Death Cert for two people who died (in 2001 and 2009) in Washington state and New York respectively, i am totally confused.

    Does any body is it possible for me to order 2 death certs from the relevant authorities?

    thanks
    Kevin


  • #11
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    kboc wrote: »
    After reading the web in relation to getting a Death Cert for two people who died (in 2001 and 2009) in Washington state and New York respectively, i am totally confused.

    Does any body is it possible for me to order 2 death certs from the relevant authorities?

    thanks
    Kevin

    Ok it works slightly differently over t'other side of the Atlantic. You should be able to order them from the Office of Vital Statistics (or some variant of the name) for each respective state. They might be iffy sending one to an Irish address (depends on how their laws work). Alternatively you can use a website like Vitalchek just bear in mind they'll slap on a few bob for their time and effort.


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  • #12
    Coolnabacky1873
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    P_1 wrote: »
    Ok it works slightly differently over t'other side of the Atlantic. You should be able to order them from the Office of Vital Statistics (or some variant of the name) for each respective state. They might be iffy sending one to an Irish address (depends on how their laws work). Alternatively you can use a website like Vitalchek just bear in mind they'll slap on a few bob for their time and effort.

    I can't speak for the Washington state death record, but unless you are a direct line ancestor, you won't be able to get the New York state death record.
    https://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/genealogy.htm

    Typically, for 'recent' records (it varies by state but most follow the 50/75/100 year format) they are at the respective State Heath Departments and you usually have to prove next of kin/direct ancestor status. There are exceptions though. That is the thing about U.S. genealogy. There are 50 states and each one is different.

    Obituaries and probate records can be a way around this as anyone can look at a newspaper and probate records are public records with no restriction on access.

    Legacy.com is a good website for obits from the NY area for the lat 15 years. Also check out the GenealogyBank obit database on Familysearch and Find A Grave.


  • #13
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Coolnabacky1873 wrote: »
    I can't speak for the Washington state death record, but unless you are a direct line ancestor, you won't be able to get the New York state death record.
    https://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/genealogy.htm

    Typically, for 'recent' records (it varies by state but most follow the 50/75/100 year format) they are at the respective State Heath Departments and you usually have to prove next of kin/direct ancestor status. There are exceptions though. That is the thing about U.S. genealogy. There are 50 states and each one is different.

    Obituaries and probate records can be a way around this as anyone can look at a newspaper and probate records are public records with no restriction on access.

    Legacy.com is a good website for obits from the NY area for the lat 15 years. Also check out the GenealogyBank obit database on Familysearch and Find A Grave.

    Wow I never realised New York were so strict with their laws! Thanks for the info


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