RTÉ2 + 1

mackersdublin · 15-01-2019 5:42pm #1

Hidden Channel 12 on Saorview has been labelled RTÉ2 +1 with info saying Launching 5th Feb (3 weeks from today)

Presumably it will launch on the other platforms on the same day

batistuta9 · 15-01-2019 6:07pm

How come this is launching?

dulpit · 15-01-2019 6:07pm

mackersdublin wrote: »

Hidden Channel 12 on Saorview has been labelled RTÉ2 +1 with info saying Launching 5th Feb (3 weeks from today)

Presumably it will launch on the other platforms on the same day

In beautiful SD no less...

You'd have to wonder about the benefit of these +1 channels now, most people have access to some sort of DVR, and the player is there too...

mackersdublin · 15-01-2019 6:12pm

dulpit wrote: »

In beautiful SD no less...

All +1 channels are in SD with the exception of Channel 4 +1 which is exclusively on Freeview in HD

dulpit · 15-01-2019 6:13pm

mackersdublin wrote: »

All +1 channels are in SD with the exception of Channel 4 +1 which is exclusively on Freeview in HD

No, I know this. It's another reason I don't understand the need for these sorts fo channels any more..

lertsnim · 15-01-2019 6:23pm

If these channels were taking space preventing other channels from launching i'd complain but as they're not I welcome the addition.

Tigerandahalf · 15-01-2019 6:25pm

It seems strange to launch this when people can use internet based services. I presume they will also be limited re advertising.

The bbc iplayer has watch from the start which eliminates the need for these +1 channels and is a better service as you can watch straight away.

StreetLight · 15-01-2019 6:28pm

So does RTÉ1+1 break out as a standalone full-time channel instead of its current timesharing with RTÉjr.?

lertsnim · 15-01-2019 7:29pm

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

The bbc iplayer has watch from the start which eliminates the need for these +1 channels and is a better service as you can watch straight away.

The RTE Player allows this too

mackersdublin · 15-01-2019 7:34pm

@FRIENDO Any developments on Saorsat?

Tigerandahalf · 15-01-2019 7:53pm

lertsnim wrote: »

The RTE Player allows this too

Not on saorview connect yet. It still has the old player.

lgs 4 · 15-01-2019 8:58pm

I said it before and I'll say it again that RTE should stick to the original plan for Saorview to gives us RTE 3 HD with all new programming :mad:

Tigerandahalf · 15-01-2019 9:15pm

lgs 4 wrote: »

I said it before and I'll say it again that RTE should stick to the original plan for Saorview to gives us RTE 3 HD with all new programming :mad:

I wonder would an rte sport channel work better. Use it for their live sport (simulcast on rte 2) but they could use it for match clashes and could run reruns or radio sport programmes to fill it out.

lgs 4 · 15-01-2019 9:30pm

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I wonder would a rte sports channel work better. Use it for their live sport (simulcast on Rte 2) but they could use it for match clashes and could run reruns or radio sports programmes to fill it out.

That would be another channel idea , like a free sports box office channel in HD

FRIENDO · 16-01-2019 12:31am

mackersdublin wrote: »

@FRIENDO Any developments on Saorsat?

No change on Saorsat yet, but loads of space to add the +1 channel

sdanseo · 16-01-2019 12:34am

Another attempt to convince the nation that the licence fee is being well spent. And the same easily-amused million Irish households who tap their feet to Daniel O'Donnell and think Ryan and Miriam are saints will lap it up, for the most part.

16-01-2019 12:51am

StreetLight wrote: »

So does RTÉ1+1 break out as a standalone full-time channel instead of its current timesharing with RTÉjr.?

Hopefully. I guess the relevant minister or his dept will outline the changes in the next couple of weeks. Virgin won't like it, but considering they manage to fill 3 channels with rubbish they haven't a leg to stand on.

Harry Palmr · 16-01-2019 12:53am

To think Virgin could have used some of that bandwidth on HD

JDxtra · 16-01-2019 10:44am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

To think Virgin could have used some of that bandwidth on HD

Virgin have no interest in ever doing that - it doesn't suit their agenda.

Atlantic Dawn · 16-01-2019 12:36pm

Will it be 24 hours a day or just appear at 7pm like RTE1+1?

Rick_ · 16-01-2019 10:16pm

And more importantly, if it is 24 hours, will RTÉ 1+1 be going 24/7 as well?

reni10 · 17-01-2019 4:50pm

lertsnim wrote: »

The RTE Player allows this too

I can't see how you can do this on the new rte player so can you please explain how you start a show from the start when it is live and 15 mins in like you can on the BBC iPlayer?

Prince William · 17-01-2019 8:14pm

Ffs, they'd be better off trying to give rte2 some sort of identity, I don't know if it's meant to be a youth channel or RTE 1 and a half, the odd evening mix of repeats of RTE 1 shows, old episodes of top gear mixed with the big bang theory is very confusing.

lertsnim · 17-01-2019 10:39pm

reni10 wrote: »

I can't see how you can do this on the new rte player so can you please explain how you start a show from the start when it is live and 15 mins in like you can on the BBC iPlayer?

Click on the circular arrow to the left of the progress bar and that will take you back to the start of whatever is on at the moment.

StreetLight · 18-01-2019 10:54am

At the moment, the information tag stating the 5th February launch date and the RTÉ2+1 channel label have both been removed.....

But, it is carrying subtitles for RTÉ One.

StaticNoise · 18-01-2019 8:05pm

PFMC84 wrote: »

And more importantly, if it is 24 hours, will RTÉ 1+1 be going 24/7 as well?

Would it make sense to go 24 hours though? For either channel, that is.

FRIENDO · 22-01-2019 4:53pm

mackersdublin wrote: »

@FRIENDO Any developments on Saorsat?

New test channel screen on No. 12 solid beeb no epg (RTÉ +1 is 11) so possibly RTE2+1 wiil be 12.

The 3 other tests channels now have blank screens no noise, still showing test epg info

Hotblack Desiato · 25-01-2019 12:59am

I have a tvheadend back end and Kodi clients, can I make this channel visible now? Failing that, do I need to do anything when it officially launches to make it visible?

Dakotabigone · 25-01-2019 1:00am

This is just the gig Raymond Darcy is looking for.

Hotblack Desiato · 25-01-2019 1:24am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I have a tvheadend back end and Kodi clients, can I make this channel visible now? Failing that, do I need to do anything when it officially launches to make it visible?

Figured it out. Configuration - Channel/EPG - Channels - Add.

The Cush · 27-01-2019 11:18am

In today's Sunday Independent, "the minister has approved RTE plans to provide a new RTE2+1 television service as well as an extended 24-hour RTE One+1 service. Virgin Television had objected to these plans. RTE intends to make these services available on all platforms from February 13".

The Cush · 27-01-2019 11:34am

Documents relating to the new services
now up on the Department of
Communications website.

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/communications/topics/broadcasting-media/funding-of-public-service-broadcasting/Pages/Consents-for-New-Services.aspx

Maz2016 · 27-01-2019 1:15pm

So is my understanding, they will be increasing RTÉ 1+1’s hours (welcome) and RTÉ 2+1 will be similar to what RTÉ 1+1 is now but longer at weekends

RTÉ proposes to make a +1 service of RTÉ2 available, which would be an exact replica of the RTÉ2 schedule in peak-time (from 18:00) Monday to Friday, broadcast 19:00-c02:00 and initially broadcast from 12pm to c02:00am on Saturday and Sunday with a one hour delay.

lertsnim · 27-01-2019 2:26pm

Of course Virgin would be objecting. They are a sore on Irish broadcasting.

iseegirls · 27-01-2019 3:33pm

Were there any reasons why Virgin Media were objecting? Surely a +1 channel has very little effect on their ratings for all their ITV shows.
And they'd probably be happier if RTE chose to do +1 channels, instead of creating a RTE3 with different programming, and giving another alternative to the numerous amounts of Tipping Point and The Chase that VIrgin Media show.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 1:16am

iseegirls wrote: »

Were there any reasons why Virgin Media were objecting? Surely a +1 channel has very little effect on their ratings for all their ITV shows.
And they'd probably be happier if RTE chose to do +1 channels, instead of creating a RTE3 with different programming, and giving another alternative to the numerous amounts of Tipping Point and The Chase that VIrgin Media show.

We should have known about this months ago. And the dept should have consulted with audience.

No move on RTÉ News Now but the question has to be what are RTÉ's plans for that service.

When did Bruton take over the role of Minister?

The Cush · 28-01-2019 9:10am

Maz2016 wrote: »

So is my understanding, they will be increasing RTÉ 1+1’s hours (welcome) and RTÉ 2+1 will be similar to what RTÉ 1+1 is now but longer at weekends

RTÉ proposes to make a +1 service of RTÉ2 available, which would be an exact replica of the RTÉ2 schedule in peak-time (from 18:00) Monday to Friday, broadcast 19:00-c02:00 and initially broadcast from 12pm to c02:00am on Saturday and Sunday with a one hour delay.

Also, RTÉ 2+1 will be allowed to extend its broadcast hours as required to broadcast special events such as the Olympics, Football tournaments etc.

JDxtra · 28-01-2019 10:36am

Why not just 24 hours from the start? Seems odd.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 10:43am

JDxtra wrote: »

Why not just 24 hours from the start? Seems odd.

It's taking over from RTÉ ONE +1 on Soarview which shares with RTÉjr.

I do not see the Public service in this addition, RTÉ2's prime time is made up of 55% repeats.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 10:58am

It is so hard to read these reports

Additional revenue reinvested in content

RTÉ suggests "They then deduct from this €[] in mux charges, for a net deficit from the services of €[]."

The UK consultants suggest: "Consequently, we anticipate that the enhanced +1 services could result in an additional €1m net income for RTÉ."

Also haven't we being saying this on boards for a decade "Second, rather than using the mux charges for the channels, we have used the net increase in RTÉ mux charges (€450,000), to recognise that other RTÉ channels will see a reduction in their charge"

IMO

There will be no additional revenue. RTÉ ONE +1 extension will eat into RTÉ 1's current audience, the same goes for part-time RTÉ2 +1's.

Here's RTÉ ONE +1 audience share

2018 2017 2016 2015 2014
RTÉ ONE 17.84% 18.39% 18.67% 17.68% 18.70%
RTÉ ONE +1 0.71% 0.82% 0.77% 0.59% 0.50%
Total 18.56% 19.21% 19.44% 18.27% 19.20%

Meanwhile in 2012 RTE ONE had 25%

Ten Pin · 28-01-2019 12:22pm

RTE2 +1 will be useful for schedule conflicts but there are too many repeats on RTE1/2 anyway.

For example, with RTE1 +1 going 24 hours and RTE2 +1 in the evenings, Home & Away and Neighbours will each be on 4 times each weekday. So there shouldn't be any need to show H&A again at the weekend but even if they cut the Sat/Sun repeats, what will replace it...another repeat of something else..ie no extra content.

Similarly, DWTS will be on 6 times per week.

IMO they should bring RTE2 forward by an hour (-1) because alot of their prime time programs are either repeats or poor quality reality TV. And the US dramas after midnight are pointless when a lot of viewers can record and skip the ads.
Also, IMO, kids programs on RTE2 and on RTE Junior at similar times makes no sense, RTE2 up until midday could easily be called RTE Junior +1, they even have the Junior logo on screen. Those time slots would be more useful for documentaries or repeat of GAA programs from the previous weekend, in fact anything other than programs already on another channel from the same broadcaster.

VMs reason for objecting was probably that RTE would soon have more repeats than themselves.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 12:40pm

Ten Pin wrote: »

RTE2 +1 will be useful for schedule conflicts but there are too many repeats on RTE1/2 anyway.

RTÉ2 +1 should be RTÉ2 +17 providing RTÉ2's late night schedule from 7 to 12 or so.

e.g. tomorrow on RTE2 +17

19:00 Don't Tell The Bride
20:05 Shortscreen
20:20 Mock the Week
21:55 American Housewife
21:20 Taken
22:15 The Office
22:50 The Office
23:20 Close

The Cush · 28-01-2019 1:19pm

Elmo wrote: »

It's taking over from RTÉ ONE +1 on Soarview which shares with RTÉjr.

It won't be sharing a stream with RTEjr due to its flexible hours and early start at the weekends.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 1:30pm

The Cush wrote: »

It won't be sharing a stream with RTEjr due to its flexible hours and early start at the weekends.

Perhaps I am reading it wrong

Following consideration of the issues outlined above, the Minister has decided to grant approval to RTÉ to proceed with the proposal, subject to the following conditions:
1. RTÉ must ensure that following the decoupling of RTÉ One+1 and RTÉjr, that there is no impact on the provision of the RTÉjr service.
2. In line with the RTÉ proposal, the services must remain as simulcasts of the parent channel and must not be used to provide additional content.

Elmo · 28-01-2019 1:37pm

The Cush wrote: »

It won't be sharing a stream with RTEjr due to its flexible hours and early start at the weekends.

I note the early weekends. Yes going back to why isn't this 24hrs?

The Cush · 28-01-2019 1:58pm

Elmo wrote: »

Perhaps I am reading it wrong

I think so, additional content would mean programming not already broadcast on the main channel, simulcast programmes only.

The Cush · 28-01-2019 2:06pm

Elmo wrote: »

I note the early weekends. Yes going back to why isn't this 24hrs?

My guess would be bitrate transmission costs, cheaper to broadcast the primetime schedule only, extending it at the weekends to include sports fixtures.

JDxtra · 28-01-2019 2:12pm

Elmo wrote: »

It's taking over from RTONE +1 on Soarview which shares with RTr.

But they propose that it will start at 12pm at weekends. Does this mean RTE Jr. will stop at noon on those days?

Elmo · 28-01-2019 2:14pm

The Cush wrote: »

My guess would be bitrate transmission costs, cheaper to broadcast the primetime schedule only, extending it at the weekends to include sports fixtures.

I was reading as if RTÉ2 +1 at the weekend would not start until 7pm. The proposal to provide addition sports coverage was not permitted. (also it means Home and Away will air 6 times across all schedules).

My guess would be bitrate transmission costs, cheaper to broadcast the primetime schedule only, extending it at the weekends to include sports fixtures.

But sure your reducing cost for other channels the more you add.

The Cush · 28-01-2019 2:20pm

JDxtra wrote: »

But they propose that it will start at 12pm at weekends. Does this mean RTE Jr. will stop at noon on those days?

No, unlike RTE One+1 the RTE2 +1 service can only be on a separate stream to avoid overlapping with RTEjr.

The Cush · 28-01-2019 2:34pm

Elmo wrote: »

I was reading as if RTÉ2 +1 at the weekend would not start until 7pm. The proposal to provide addition sports coverage was not permitted.

No additional sports content, just a simulcast of the content already carried on the main channel from 12:00 at the weekends and at other times at RTÉ's discretion.

Elmo wrote: »

But sure your reducing cost for other channels the more you add.

Yes but increasing the cost for RTÉ.

RTÉ2 + 1

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