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When did Ireland first receive the British stations?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭grouchyman


    There was an aerial and tv in my grandparents house in Dublin during the late 50s which could receive the BBC Station


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    L1011 wrote: »
    7 was the VCR modulator (my mother couldn't understand switching to SCART) for us, from the 6 channel aerial days... would say that was common enough too.

    When the fancy ' all pins connected" scart cables arrived it did away with switching to channel zero for the video channel. We thought the scart picture quality was the bees knees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    Karsini wrote: »
    Sky One encrypted on 1st September 1993 with the launch of the Multichannels package and the Sky corporate rebrand.
    I think you could be right, that I'm a year out. I think there were some channels like UK Gold that launched soft-encrypted first before becoming a sub-channel.
    Karsini wrote: »
    MTV didn't encrypt until around 1995 though, for some strange reason QVC was encrypted from launch in 1993 and MTV was FTA but this was swapped a couple of years later.
    Seems strange but there was reasons. Although MTV was promoted as part of Sky's Multi-Channels package, the signal on 19.2 east they had was one to serve a pan-European audience - I think the only other satellite they used for DTH purposes at the time was at 1 west in D2MAC for Nordic countries. When they encrypted eventually into Videocrypt 1 & 2, they had notices a few months beforehand on their teletext service pointing out how to subscribe in each country. Unlike these days on DVB-S where you could easily encrypt with a multiple amount of conditional access systems, using Videocrypt in a country like Germany where it was not normally used (as opposed to Syster/Nagravision used by Premiere) caused headaches, and perhaps accelerated MTV Europe starting to fragment into regional versions, with the MTV Germany version being FTA until very recently.

    It may seem incredible now that a shopping channel was part of a subscription bundle on satellite, but QVC was the first 24 hour dedicated station of its kind then. The only others being the likes of Sell-A-Vision who ran infomercials in the wee hours on Eurosport and VOX. And originally on the channel you could order only from the UK, Ireland was quickly added later especially when it was being shown on TnaG in the late evenings and eventually they dropped down to soft encryption and then went clear when they started taking orders from across Europe with dedicated local numbers that you could call to order from. They started to wind down this pan-European approach when they started localised versions like QVC Germany.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think you could be right, that I'm a year out. I think there were some channels like UK Gold that launched soft-encrypted first before becoming a sub-channel.
    Yep, that's correct. UK Gold was initially soft encrypted alright.

    Good point about MTV Europe, it never dawned on me but you're bang on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    jca wrote: »
    When the fancy ' all pins connected" scart cables arrived it did away with switching to channel zero for the video channel. We thought the scart picture quality was the bees knees.

    Our VCR at the time used the SCART for teletext decoding and insertion so I think they neglected to include the auto-switching.

    It also, pointlessly, had a clock on the remote control... and a hex number input so you could cheat at Bamboozle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    The last VCR I had was an AKAI and you could put your TV program details into the remote and zap it to the vcr, it worked perfectly. No more hands and knees at the VCR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭RINO87


    I remember in the late 80's/early 90's in the midlands we had 10 channels (possibly more were provided, but our tv only went up to twelve!) It included euro sport, sky one, screen sport, sky news etc all relayed from satellite, along with bbc, ch4, itv. Must have been some set up, picture quality was top notch!! Was some shock as a young fella when this got shut down and I no longer had dj kat showing the ninja turtles!!!

    It came back on the air around 2000 (definatly remember watching euro 2000 on the BBC) without the satellite channels and continued up to a few years ago. Cracking reception all for a contribution of about fifty bucks a year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭I swindled the NSA


    Was there any listings ever produced (pre the official ones issued by COMREG after legalisation) of the various "defector" (and unlicenced cable) systems around the country detailing area served, frequency channels used, services carried etc In the same manner that there were "Anorak lists" for the pirate radio stations in the same period ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I often think that access to television influenced social development here. Compare attitudes in the 1980s in rural areas pre-satellite that didn't have overspill signals and urban areas that had large cable uptake... It has to have had a profound impact.

    The Irish equivalent of the 'valley of the clueless' perhaps?

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭Antenna


    A few pictures attached (which some here would be interested in) of a deflector installation up a mountain in rural Co. Mayo taken a few years ago, co-sited with a former 'self-help' relay for RTE also. Obviously the UK channels had been received by satellite, but a bit uphill is another pole with old aerials on the ground which it is safe to assume was formerly used to receive the UK channels from another 'deflector' (physically separated to avoid interference from the outgoing signals).

    I think the deflector had recently closed down, but one of the deflector transmitters was still on air transmitting a satellite box generated "NO/WEAK SIGNAL" prompt (picture taken in car on one of those poor quality monochrome 12volt 5.5 inch CRT TVs with deaf UHF reception) and signal was definitely from that installation).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭Stasi 2.0


    British Stations Bah !

    Came across an article in Wireless World Feb 1976 (Page 36) About an enthusiast in Dublin receiving experimental satellite service on UHF from......India :eek:

    The service in question was an experimental one. Arguably the first direct broadcast satellite which carried educational programming to communal TV sets throughout India on conventional UHF frequencies using a satellite donated by the Soviet Union.

    The programming largely on topics like health and agricultural matters was probably not very exciting to a Western audience but was a valuable resource to impoverished rural Indian villages.

    The use of frequencies at the high end of the UHF band meant the fringe of the satellite footprint covered up to a third of the globe and with that part of the band empty in Ireland at the time anything was possible with enough aerial gain.
    Some of the early 1930's Baird transmissions were carried on mediumwave radio transmitters (after regular radio programmes had closed down for the night)

    In theory these should have been receivable throughout Ireland although whether anyone tried building the equipment to watch them is anyone's guess

    They were received in some university (don't remember which) in Germany


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭Antenna


    Stasi 2.0 wrote: »
    British Stations Bah !

    Came across an article in Wireless World Feb 1976 (Page 36) About an enthusiast in Dublin receiving experimental satellite service on UHF from......India :eek:

    The article mentions a 20 ft. diameter parabolic dish being used by personnel at UCD. It was probably an existing one being used for fringe UHF terrestrial reception of BBC/ITV TV in/near Dublin that was repurposed for this experiment (UHF parabolic dishes in the republic were not uncommon for reception of UK TV in some areas, probably many of them in Dublin before cable TV, especially at hotels, pubs etc).
    The satellite used FM rather than VSB-AM, a UHF tuner output feeding an FM demodulator was used, (using the tuner within a TV (VSB-AM instead of FM) would probably have given a distorted picture of sorts though, with no sound).
    BTW
    THe following page (37) mentions the introduction of an MMDS service in Switzerland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭Stasi 2.0


    According to this wikipedia artice it was NASA and not the USSR who supplied the Satellite :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭Thurston?


    Stasi 2.0 wrote: »
    According to this wikipedia artice it was NASA and not the USSR who supplied the Satellite :confused:

    Yeah, ATS-6 was a US satellite: where do you see mention of the Soviets in the Wireless World piece?


  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Goreme


    My parents got their very first TV and an ariel in May 1959, in the north Co. Meath countyside between Kells and Navan. The TV installer from Navan who set it up was amazed at the quality of the reception. The neighbours' children used to come in to watch Bonanza etc, as all the cowboy stuff that was popular at the time (they were only the second family to get a TV in the parish!). They received BBC and UTV. Its gas now, to think that they had a TV three years before RTE television even started broadcasting!!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Goreme wrote: »
    My parents got their very first TV and an ariel in May 1959, in the north Co. Meath countyside between Kells and Navan. The TV installer from Navan who set it up was amazed at the quality of the reception. The neighbours' children used to come in to watch Bonanza etc, as all the cowboy stuff that was popular at the time (they were only the second family to get a TV in the parish!). They received BBC and UTV. Its gas now, to think that they had a TV three years before RTE television even started broadcasting!!

    And had to pay a TV licence before RTE even started up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Tax The Farmers


    "Ive heard mention of enthusiasts as far west as Athlone picking up Holme Moss (West Yorkshire) in the early 1950's"

    Sutton Coldfield (near Birmingham) is mentioned in an old Telefis Eireann document from the 1960's so presumably there were viewers in the South East using this BBC transmitter which opened in 1949. Sporadic E reception of the Alexandria Palace transmitter in London has been reported worldwide but most of Ireland would have been within the Sporadic E skipzone but maybe Donegal viewers had a chance (if any were prepared to make the sizeable investment for what would have been very occasional reception)

    Re: Prewar mechanical TV there were some tests in the United States, Britain and possible elsewhere using this system on shortwave frequencies. Some of these broadcasts would have been receivable in Ireland but in any case these would have been preceded by the mediumwave experiments which took place on BBC domestic transmitters outside of regular programme hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Tax The Farmers


    Did any Irish cable networks ever carry more than one ITV region or was it a matter of being offered UTV or HTV ?

    In the early decades of ITV there was quite a lot of variation in programme offerings between the regions (unlike now) so it was worth the effort to try and receive more than one wherever possible. Especially in the days when the overall number of channels was in single figures.

    "BBC1 from "Enniskillen" Ch 4 was theoretically possible"

    The Brougher mountain 405 line TX was on Channel B5



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Some carried both UTV and HTV before Channel 4 launched, I think this was at least the case in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Maybe elsewhere but not the part of Dublin I grew up in, UTV only.

    I wonder how long after BBC1 and ITV went 625 in 1969, were the 405 versions still relayed on cable here?

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Didn't notice the above post at the time, but went looking and the subsequent issue has a full report from UCD with photos of the setup. Looks like a substantial piece of kit.

    Source:https://www.worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/70s/Wireless-World-1976-03.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I wonder was it very difficult to aim such a large dish accurately enough at the satellite?

    But this was probably C-band (it says in the article UHF, whoops) so lower frequency means greater acceptance angle.

    Still, very impressive!

    Scrap the cap!



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