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The Prehistoric Cat Thread- All cats minus sabercats

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Oldest member of the Panthera genus found in Tibet. Is most closely related to the snow leopard, but was about clouded leopard sized

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131112-big-cats-origin-tibet-animals-science/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Apparently the Chinese domesticated the leopard cat first, but somehow it didn´t work out. More archaeology than paleontology but interesting nonetheless.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0147295

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Apparently the Chinese domesticated the leopard cat first, but somehow it didn´t work out.

    Really? I wonder why ....:pac:

    Seriously though modern cats are still very wild.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Now that I think about it, (rich) people are keeping the Bengal cat which is a hybrid between the domestic cat and the leopard cat (although apparently you need them to be four or five generations apart from the original hybrid, otherwise they're too wild)

    Really beautiful cats tho

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    John Bradshaw wrote Cat sense, giving a historical evolution of the domestic cat. I found it flawed in some respects, but the book also mentioned various species of cats that were in the running to becoming the forerunner of the current crop of moggies, including AFAIR various African veldt cats and ones from South America as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    I remember something about cheetahs, even wild ones are tameable and we could have had them instead of moggies or even doggies. Not too confident myself, but what do I know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    I doubt that. Cheetahs may be less aggressive/dangerous than other big cats, but that doesn´t mean they are safe to be around. I don´t remember hearing anything about healthy cheetahs attacking humans in the wild, but they certainly have mauled and (even if rarely) killed people when kept in captivity. They may look frail and skinny but they're still really powerful and prey on human-sized animals all the time; if they wanted to kill you they certainly would. And it seems that they see children as perfectly acceptable prey.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/cheetah-kills-woman-in-zoo-cage/2007/02/13/1171128941475.html

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    There's also the fact that they need lots of meat, lots of space, are easily stressed around people, and don´t breed well in captivity at all. Not domestic animal material at all, unless your as rich as emperor Akbar and have a backyard the size of a small country...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Historically though from what I remember of reading Arabian history there did seem a domesticated relationship between them and humans in those areas. It would not be too much of a stretch to imagine breeding allowing them to be minuturised akin to what happened to dogs.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    From what I recall, the problem with domestication of the cheetah was as AK noted they don't breed well in captivity(and this gets worse with successive generations). This meant that the majority of captive animals were first or second generation from wild. There were never enough of them to select for domestication traits, unlike in wolves/dogs that breed happily in captivity. The Russian wild fox studies found domestication only took a few decades in experimental conditions, in the "wild" it would probably take a century or two. But you do need a population where you can select for human useful and friendly traits and you need an animal with enough variability in the genetic makeup to allow for it. The various canids seem ready made for domestication and TBH I'm surprised it was only the wolf that was. Though I think jackals may have been in the mix for a time?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Manach wrote: »
    Historically though from what I remember of reading Arabian history there did seem a domesticated relationship between them and humans in those areas. It would not be too much of a stretch to imagine breeding allowing them to be minuturised akin to what happened to dogs.

    They were tamed, not domesticated; they were usually caught from the wild and were very difficult to breed in captivity. In fact I think the reproduction of cheetahs in zoos was a very recent achievement. The ancient Egyptians apparently attempted the domestication of the cheetah (and the striped hyena) very early on and gave up. Same for all who tried afterwards.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    The various canids seem ready made for domestication and TBH I'm surprised it was only the wolf that was. Though I think jackals may have been in the mix for a time?

    I think DNA testing has ruled out the jackal as a dog ancestor (may be wrong, tho), but they certainly have been cross bred with dogs in recent times. In Russia, for example, they have dog/jackal hybrids as sniffers in airports, as jackals have a better sense of smell than dogs. There's also an Asian dog breed that is said to have either jackal or dhole DNA.

    As for other species of canid being domesticated, it has been suggested that the so called "perro yagán" of the yagan people in southernmost South America was descended from Dusicyon or Lycalopex, which are only distantly related to wolves (and most closely related to South American maned wolves).
    Apparently these dogs were not good for hunting and did not seem to have as strong a bond with their masters as other dogs, mostly just serving as company and as a source of warmth for the yagan children with whom they slept. They are described as looking sort of like foxes, but had shorter legs and different coats than their wild ancestors. So it may have been a truly domesticated animal but not to the extent of dogs descended from wolves elsewhere; maybe more similar to cats in this regard.

    Dunno, maybe the fact that wolves are cooperative big-game hunters meant they had it easier to fit in with the early human lifestyles, not only scavenging but actively taking part in hunts? Jackals and South American canids were more used to hunting small prey and scavenging, so maybe this was a factor somehow...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    These may be the first cave lion depictions found in the Cantabrian region of Spain. 
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spectacular-14500-year-old-lion-etchings-discovered-depth-spanish-cave-1586749
    I'm curious as to what the lines on the cat's neck and shoulders are meant to represent, if anything. A mane? Tiger-like stripes? There's been suggestion I believe that some other cave lion depictions show faint stripes but they were supossedly in the hindquarters/legs. And only one of the lions here have them. Maybe it's nothing...
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe it's me, but the top example looks far more like a horse to my eyes. This would explain the mane. A Lion's mane doesn't look like that. Plus the more numerous and finely worked examples of lions from the Chauvet cave show no such manes/lines.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Yeah I guess you could be right. It does look a bit weird (the second one is much more unambiguous). 
    Still, if cave lions really did have underdeveloped manes as is often said, then I can see how the above could conceivably be an attempt at insinuating it: look at Tsavo's "maneless" lions:
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    Look at the skin folds here

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe. I'm still feeling "horse" more, though the skin folds are an interesting point. The Chauvet caves show them as maneless, but maybe that's because it was twenty thousand years earlier and they evolved manes later?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Head and ears are reminiscent of a rhino and Indian rhinos have those lines on their neck. Fringe and curve of back is completely wrong though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Checking out some other horse depictions from about the same general region and time, I think Wibbs may be right again. Whatever species this is, it does seem to have the same hairy neck and cheeks as the "lion" above and the same curve to the back. Here's some horses from the Niaux cave:
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    And a similar etching from Rouffignac:
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    More from Rouffignac:
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    I think Wibbs may be right again.
    Ah here AK, no need to go mad here. :D I dunno, it just said "horse" to me. The shape of the back and ears mostly.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Proof that lions grew much larger than their modern equivalents not only in Eurasia (and the New World?) but also in Africa at one point. Not surprisingly the giant lion lived at the same time as giant prey such as the buffalo Syncerus antiquus and the antelope Megalotragus.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5544261/Lions-tall-HUMANS-roamed-Kenya-200-000-years-ago.html
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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Our ancestors had to deal with more fearsome critters than we do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    A camera trap in Zanzibar has recorded footage of a leopard- possibly the native and supposedly extinct Zanzibar leopard, exterminated mainly because the local people thought it was an evil creature associated with sorcerers.

    https://www.insideedition.com/zanzibar-leopard-captured-camera-despite-being-declared-extinct-43962

    If this is true, it is a huge rediscovery, although there were rumors at one point that leopards may have been introduced from the African mainland AFTER the Zanzibar leopard's extinction, which raises the possibility that this may be a descendant of a mainland leopard, or even a hybrid.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Saw the episode, its part of a series and every episode so far has suggested that the extinct animal is still alive, which i find a tad suspicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Yeah, I haven´t seen much else about it. Nobody trusts Animal Planet these days I think. :B


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Yeah, I haven´t seen much else about it. Nobody trusts Animal Planet these days I think. :B

    In this instance I think they might have found a leopard and at least they have video evidence that is compelling.

    In the other episodes they don't even have that, it's conjecture, for example in the episode where he goes looking for wolves in Newfoundland (I think) he relies on infra red footage, carcasses of dead animals and paw prints to say the wolf is still alive.

    But like you said, how can you trust TV.

    In the introduction he states his grandfather found the coelecanth but he was only part of a team that found them after the initial rediscovery I think, so even that is bending the truth.

    But at least he isn't chasing Bigfoot, Nessie or trying to prove aliens exist, and the animals he is looking for all disappeared relatively recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    10.000 year old jaguar skull found in Argentina.

    Article is in Spanish:

    http://www.nordeste-conicet.gob.ar/hallaron-en-formosa-un-fosil-de-yaguarete-de-casi-10-mil-anos/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    On extinct Eurasian leopards.

    https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1186%2Fs12862-018-1268-0

    Here's a cave leopard skeleton from Spain:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    I remember reading Homer as a kid and finding lots of references to lions and panthers!

    https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/02/15/the-lions-den-when-big-cats-roamed-greece-video/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    I realize this is not paleontology, but it does have to do with evolution- and is very interesting.

    https://themindunleashed.com/2019/05/tigers-are-orange-trick-prey-green.html?fbclid=IwAR1ZyikU3SnE-JjnnFYeCjb7Yj9MvdDuzMF6Kv2mkIpG23LmAFxLUanL2Bc
    According to new research, deer—the main prey of tigers—are only capable of seeing blue and green light, rendering them color-blind to red. This means that tigers are effectively green, giving them an ideal cover against the backdrop of forests and canopy jungles.

    The study by the University of Bristol used a computer simulation to perceive the world through the eyes of a “dichromat”—those animals who are unable to tell the difference between red and green.

    “The tiger appears orange to a trichromat observer rather than some shade of green, though the latter should be more appropriate camouflage for an ambush hunter in forests.

    However… when viewed by a dichromat, the tiger’s color is very effective.”

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    The authors argue that actually becoming green to our eyes would “require a significant change to mammalian biochemistry.” But it's just not necessary because we are not the kind of prey they evolved to hunt. And even though leopards are and have been the most important predator of monkeys and apes for a long time, they usually attack at night or dusk, when we can´t really see much anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Much the same as deer hunters then. They wear orange coats and hats so that they are visible to other hunters, but not to deer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Indeed- or camo patterns with light and dark shapes to break their body outlines , same as the cat's stripes and spots do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    One would imagine that green would be the perfect colour for camouflage but yet it's rarely to be seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Intriguiginly, wetsuits with stripes are being trialied to reduce risk of shark attacks:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/07/shark-attack-wetsuit/397772/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Might answer the question as to why our native red squirrel is red.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Intriguiginly, wetsuits with stripes are being trialied to reduce risk of shark attacks:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/07/shark-attack-wetsuit/397772/

    That takes advantage of what is known as aposematism, in which venomous or poisonous animals have strongly contrasting patterns or colors to warn potential enemies of their dangerousness. Examples would be the black widow spider's red markings, the coral snake's alternating bands of yellow, green and black, or the skunk's white stripes or spots- and in this case, the stripes of sea snakes which are extremely venomous, among others:

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    I think it was originally the sea snake that inspired the stripey diving suit. Even sharks think twice before biting on a sea snake:



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    IIRC the only "green" mammal is the sloth. And that's just from the algae growing in its fur.

    Other vertebrates any colour you want.


    Also any excuse to post this
    The Oatmeal on why the Mantis Shrimp is my new favourite animal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Nobody ever remembers the Australian green possum:

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    Oh yeah, it only looks green to our eyes :/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Victor wrote: »
    Much the same as deer hunters then. They wear orange coats and hats so that they are visible to other hunters, but not to deer.

    That's what always confused me about deer hunters. If deer can't see orange why do they wear camouflage clothes instead of all orange? No risk of being shot and completely invisible to deer, with the added bonus of being highly visible to search and rescue if necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Nobody ever remembers the Australian green possum:

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    Oh yeah, it only looks green to our eyes :/
    Never saw one of them in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Tigers are known to have lived in Japan in prehistoric times. This find apparently represents a tigress, of a size comparable to that of modern day Amur tigers.

    http://www.gmnh.pref.gunma.jp/wp-content/uploads/bulletin23_1.pdf

    Although often overshadowed by sabercat and cave lion finds, the tiger (Panthera tigris), today's largest felid, is also known from fossils found all across Asia, including islands where it is absent today (including Japan, Borneo and the Philippines). The most impressive remains however come from mainland China and Russia, where gigantic specimens rivaling the largest cave lions have been found.

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    These giant tigers have been estimated at 360-400 kg making them contenders for the title of largest known cat, along with Panthera atrox, Smilodon populator and other various pantherines and sabercats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Article is in Spanish.

    https://laverdadnoticias.com/estiloyvida/Descubren-nueva-especie-que-pertenecio-a-la-Era-de-Hielo-en-un-cenote-de-Tulum-20190114-0108.html
    A new species of cat has been found in the Pit cenote, in northern Tulum (Mexico). According to researchers from the Institute of Prehistoric America, it could be a species endemic to the Yucatan penninsula that went extinct during the Ice Age.

    The animal has been named Panthera balamoides after the word "Balam", which is Mayan for a jaguar. It is assumed to have been a giant cat that lived around 10.000 years ago in the region (what is today the Yucatan penninsula).

    The specialized magazine Historical Biology: An International Journal of Palaeobiology, supported the discovery and suggests that "at least the northern part of Quintana Roo, if not the entire Yucatan penninsula, may have been ecologically isolated during the Pleistocene.

    The paper describing P. balamoides suggests a weight of about 100 kg for the living animal, and admits that there is no sure way to tell whether it's a pantherine (like the lion or the jaguar), or a machairodontine (a sabercat), but still they tentatively classify it under Panthera. They also suggest that it may have entered the cenote caves (formed by the impact of the asteroid at the end of the Cretaceous) to hunt, or maybe even use them as dens. The remains of other animals have been found in the caves, including those of sloths and peccaries that have also been classified as endemic forms.

    A subsequent study however challenged the identification of Panthera balamoides as a cat, suggesting it to be more likely a bear arm bone- perhaps from the 100-150 kg Arctotherium wingei, whose remains (including several skulls) have also been found at the caves. A bear identity would also explain what the paper on P. balamoides refers to as unusual robustness.

    Another possibility is that the arm bone came from Smilodon gracilis, a sabercat, whose remains have also been found in the caves.

    If P. balamoides turns out not to be a valid species, it would still not be the first case of mistaken identity regarding fossil finds at the cenote caves. Earlier, the skulls of the Arctotherium bears had themselves been mistaken for those of big cats before they were recovered from the depths of the cave.

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    Also, remains of canids found in the caves had initially been identified as coyotes, but under more detailed analysis turned out to belong to Protocyon, an extinct, hyena-like dog. Both Arctotherium and Protocyon were only known previously from South America.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/aug/27/oldest-parasite-dna-yet-recorded-found-in-prehistoric-puma-poo
    The compact, gnarled and knobbly specimen looks like a root of ginger. In fact, it’s 17,000-year-old puma poo, and it contains the oldest parasite DNA yet recorded.

    The team of researchers behind the discovery say the finding not only confirms that the felines were prowling around the Andes towards the end of the last ice age, but reveals that they were infested with roundworm long before humans and their animals turned up.

    “The common interpretation that the presence of [this roundworm parasite] in modern American wild carnivores is a consequence of their contact with domestic dogs or cats should no longer be assumed as the only possible explanation,” the scientists write.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    in case you are wondering on my day job this is actual footage of me and a cheetah …. not really lol
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0VUvMynD8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Frozen cave lion cubs found to be different ages, died in different ways. Also, they are definitely cave lions and not lynx as had been suggested at some point (apparently due to one of them having a severed tail).

    https://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/stunning-pictures-of-the-worlds-only-uniquely-preserved-cave-lion-cubs-as-new-secrets-revealed/

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    The article also suggests that bringing the cave lion back to life would be easier than bringing back the mammoth, due to its close kinship to the modern lion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Giant lion remains found in Spain. Article is in Spanish.

    https://www.lne.es/oriente/2020/01/23/leon-cavernario-porrua-gran-animal/2588167.html?fbclid=IwAR3u8PitrP2Gk_qaiMD2Iaec71YfOOpTMqWawUoqe4KU9E6GOmvAntpNWcM
    It lived 43.000 years ago, was a male, and weighed around 360 kg at the time of his death. These are some of the conclusions of the paleontological study on the cave lion (Panthera spelaea) found in a cave of Llanes in 2014 (...) the study finds that it was a bigger and more robust species than modern lions, although closely related. (...) It is a lucky find in that the remains are very well preserved and include a large part of the skull and the forelimbs, as well as vertebrae, ribs, and parts of the hindlimbs. (...)
    Along with the lion's skeleton were found the remains of other great carnivores, like a leopard and a wolf, showing that at the time the fauna was much richer than today, with abundant large herbivores to feed these great predators"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    The long journey of the puma from Africa to the Americas:

    https://rivistanatura.com/il-lungo-viaggio-dei-puma-tra-africa-asia-e-americhe/

    Article is in Italian.
    Today, the puma, the jaguarundi and the cheetah are the only surviving species of the Puma linneage. The three species have in common a round skull, non-vertical, round pupil, 38 chromosomes and 30 teeth. The two first are more closely related to each other and ascribed to genus Puma, whereas the cheetah is more differentiated and thus kept in its own genus, Acinonyx


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    The origins of the linneage are not completely clear. It was thought once that cheetahs originated in America, but now fossils of Acinonyx have been found in Southern Africa which date back to the mid-late Pliocene, around 4-3 million years ago.

    Other ancient cheetahs such as the giant Plio-Pleistocene Acinonyx pardiniensis, were very widespread in Africa and Eurasia but didn´t cross the Bering strait, which the ancestors of pumas did.

    Fossils of pumas have been found in central Asia (Mongolia and Georgia) from the late Pliocene, 3.6 million years, but even older fossils are known from Africa and believed to belong to ancient members of the Puma linneage which strongly suggests the genus appeared in Africa.

    At some point of the late Pliocene and/or early Pleistocene, ancestral pumas- including perhaps Puma (Viretailurus) pardoides, crossed into North America from Asia. Once there they gave rise to the Miracinonyx genus, which were cheetah-like and extremely fast runners, very similar to today's African cheetah. They also continued to spread southwards into South America. There, they gave rise to the modern puma (Puma concolor) and to Puma pumoides, the ancestor of today's jaguarundi (Puma jagouaroundi).

    After evolving in South America, both species of Puma (the puma and the jaguarundi) crossed back into North America and becoming established there, until climate change during the late Pleistocene caused the extinction of the megafauna around 11.000 years ago. Around 80% of the continent's large vertebrates went extinct, from giant ground sloths, mammoths and mastodonts, horses and camels, to large carnivores including cats, and the puma among them.

    The surprising genetic uniformity in most of today's North American pumas (aka cougars or mountain lions) shows that they are all the result of a re-colonization, from a population in central and eastern South America.

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    Today, the puma is the widest ranging cat latitudinally, being found from the Canadian Yukon to southernmost Patagonia.

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    Picture shows a skull of the ancient, Old World puma Puma pardoides, perhaps the common ancestor to modern pumas, jaguarundis, and the extinct cheetah-like Miracinonyx.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    New genetic study on cave lions finds them to be separate species from modern lions, and apparently support the idea of regional linneages/subspecies already suggested by morphology.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-69474-1

    Among the interesting parts is that the cave lions from Alaska, Yukon and Yakutia seem to be generally smaller than their European counterparts.

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