Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

bunny_mac · 21-04-2021 10:51am

walshb wrote: »

He hardly hates his brother and father? Because other than hate, why else would someone betray the way he did..

Because he's been completely manipulated by a very clever and very ruthless narcissist. That's what they do – they isolate their victim by convincing them that their friends and family can't be trusted, that they're the only person who *really* loves them, *really* knows them, has their best interests at heart etc.

valoren · 21-04-2021 11:35am

bunny_mac wrote: »

Because he's been completely manipulated by a very clever and very ruthless narcissist. That's what they do – they isolate their victim by convincing them that their friends and family can't be trusted, that they're the only person who *really* loves them, *really* knows them, has their best interests at heart etc.

Interestingly it is usually the kind of people who could have their choice of partners who typically fall prey to such narcissistic manipulators. Prince Harry was a very eligible bachelor and given his status could be very selective when it came to prospective love interests. I guess it's the idea that they can be selective which drives the agenda to manipulate, to isolate, to divide and conquer. There is the obvious reality of him being famous and the prospect of a media scrutinised life-altering dynamic if getting involved with him but Meghan was enthusiastically espousing the idea of "hitting the ground running" with a clearly smitten Harry. The whole relationship was seen as a positive by the general public and the media. An intelligent, good looking, passionate and self-confident woman who clearly wanted to embrace the role. He was putty in her hands. He strikes me as a groomed but deeply in love man who couldn't see the wood for the tree's and whether he has copped onto what he has gotten involved in or not, it is clear that he has invested in his wife's woke victim playing narrative. I suppose the best way to look at it is that his wife, who was front and centre in the interview, was the driver behind engaging with Oprah in an interview which smeared his family. You ask yourself, if he looked to leave just what would be awaiting him when his wife is a victim playing media darling. I don’t think the idea of mutual separation would be entertained and the prospect of a custody battle would surface. Given his own dalliances with racial remarks any conjuring up of a narrative along those lines would be presumably pounced on and would have credibility with the woke mob given his previous "rag head" type utterances.

JoChervil · 21-04-2021 11:57am

bunny_mac wrote: »

Because he's been completely manipulated by a very clever and very ruthless narcissist. That's what they do – they isolate their victim by convincing them that their friends and family can't be trusted, that they're the only person who *really* loves them, *really* knows them, has their best interests at heart etc.

And this *really* was proved by her big lie, that she never looked him up on line. It was such an obvious lie and manipulation, which no one believed in but Harry. Only in this way she can keep convincing him, that she loves him *really* for who he is as a person, not for his family and position (because she knew nothing about it)....

Immortal Starlight · 21-04-2021 1:10pm

Just read that Harry flew back to USA one day before his grandmothers 95th birthday just after she’d buried her husband and his grandfather. Heartless behaviour. He should be ashamed of himself.

Leg End Reject · 21-04-2021 1:21pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Just read that Harry flew back to USA one day before his grandmothers 95th birthday just after she’d buried her husband and his grandfather. Heartless behaviour. He should be ashamed of himself.

I suspect his family wholeheartedly encouraged his swift return home.

Immortal Starlight · 21-04-2021 1:25pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I suspect his family wholeheartedly encouraged his swift return home.

Oh I’d say so. They must be absolutely furious with him. It’s so sad for his grandmother especially at her age he’s really let her down.

Be right back · 21-04-2021 1:58pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I suspect his family wholeheartedly encouraged his swift return home.

Probably packed his suitcase for him.

Leg End Reject · 21-04-2021 2:37pm

Be right back wrote: »

Probably packed his suitcase for him.

And made sure he had his passport.

Be right back · 21-04-2021 3:16pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

And made sure he had his passport.

And locks changed on Frogmore cottage.

bunny_mac · 21-04-2021 3:20pm

valoren wrote: »

Prince Harry was a very eligible bachelor and given his status could be very selective when it came to prospective love interests.

That's true, but I reckon, for all that outward appearances might have suggested otherwise, poor old Harry's self esteem was in the toilet, making him ripe for 'grooming'. I think he's been measuring himself against William all his life and coming up short – William's the heir (he's the spare), William's smarter, William's parentage was never speculated on like Harry's was, then William meets this fabulous girl and has his own family etc. etc. All of that coupled with the massive abandonment issues he probably developed as a result of his mother dying so young and you've got a textbook narc victim. He was probably crying out to be doted on and made to feel special and important and that's what she would have done. And once he was under her spell he probably didn't take much convincing that Charles and William didn't care about him, he'd always be in William's shadow if he stayed in the RF, he could do so much better with her in LA etc. etc.

lrushe · 21-04-2021 3:21pm

Heard them talking about this on the radio this morning.

https://people.com/royals/chrissy-teigen-reveals-meghan-markle-reached-out-to-her-after-son-jacks-death/

Neyite · 21-04-2021 4:18pm

Friend speaks out in defence of a friend. That's not surprising.

I know people who are lovely to their friends but awful to other people in their lives. I know people who got their praises sung by their colleagues as such a lovely person but they were physically abusive to their spouse.

People have many faces so I've no doubt that Meghan is absolutely lovely to the people she wants to be absolutely lovely to. But I've also no doubt that if Chrissy says something politically embarrassing or something that damages Meghan's reputation she'll be blanked as quick as look at her.

Meghan has no issue burning bridges with actual heads of countries and future heads of countries. Even when they are family. Celebs are equally disposable to her.

Ash.J.Williams · 21-04-2021 4:30pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Just read that Harry flew back to USA one day before his grandmothers 95th birthday just after she’d buried her husband and his grandfather. Heartless behaviour. He should be ashamed of himself.

Imagine running back to a pregnant wife instead of a 95th birthday....what an utter c*nt

retro:electro · 21-04-2021 4:38pm

Meghan will suck up to whoever is hot property in Hollywood right now. Chrissy is quite popular so it’s no surprise at all that Meghan would reach out. These are the circles she sees herself in. If it was Kerry Katona or someone who documented her miscarriage so publicly I doubt Meghan would be reaching out. Chrissy has status that Meghan wants to associate with. In the same way as she invited a listers to her wedding, some who she barely even knew, if at all.

Be right back · 21-04-2021 5:35pm

Surprise, surprise!!

munstergirl · 21-04-2021 5:55pm

A source close to Harry tells
@HarpersBazaarUS
.
Wonder who the source was

He's only back in USA a couple of hours, couldn't let the Queen enjoy her birthday without more stories

Be right back · 21-04-2021 5:59pm

munstergirl wrote: »

A source close to Harry tells
@HarpersBazaarUS
.
Wander who the source was

He's only back in USA a couple of hours, couldn't let the Queen enjoy her birthday without more stories

I'm sure Gayle will have more updates on the situation in the days to come.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-04-2021 6:00pm

Why are Irish people defending the british royal family? ew

ILoveYourVibes · 21-04-2021 6:29pm

walshb wrote: »

But you can’t prove she’s lying....so she gets a pass!!!!

I'm genuinely perplexed.

Lying to stop yourself saying something distasteful as in (yes i googled my husband and his mother) is not the same as lying that you were friends with Epstein.

Of COURSE we give passes to certain types of lying. The world would not work without this.

You cannot be as naive as to think that Harry did not google HER too can you?

Of course he did.

He watched her in suits , he watched her interviews.

Saying it publicly would be firstly unnecessary and distastefully awkward.

I mean i am sure MI5 did a total background check on her tbh.

But its really in consequential and says nothing to her character. This is the real adult world.

I'm sure if you asked the Royal family if they do MI5 checks they would lie and say oh no too.

I am sure they would say they never googled her too. (and of course they did).

But these lies are different to let's say ...lying about your friendship to Epstein. Or lying you are not racist when the racist comments of prince charles , prince andrew , princess margaret princess anne and prince philip are all well documented in national news papers.

These DO reveal character. They are not simply white harmless lies.

21-04-2021 6:43pm

Be right back wrote: »

I'm sure Gayle will have more updates on the situation in the days to come.

Not Gayle Force this time. Omid Scoobie Doo is the culprit this time. Him that wrote the intellectual tome, Finding Freedom.

Be right back · 21-04-2021 6:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not Gayle Force this time. Omid Scoobie Doo is the culprit this time. Him that wrote the intellectual tome, Finding Freedom.

I would be surprised if she didn't have further information to talk about on her TV show.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-04-2021 6:47pm

valoren wrote: »

Interestingly it is usually the kind of people who could have their choice of partners who typically fall prey to such narcissistic manipulators. Prince Harry was a very eligible bachelor and given his status could be very selective when it came to prospective love interests.

Not really. I mean they basically sign their life away.

I mean he would and should be selective. But in the group he selected ...i imagine many would turn him down.

munstergirl · 21-04-2021 7:25pm

People magazine exclusive

"Meghan Markle and Archie Spoke with the Queen Before Prince Philip's Funeral, Says Source"

The source has been busy.

https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-archie-spoke-with-the-queen-ahead-of-prince-philips-funeral-says-source/

Be right back · 21-04-2021 7:32pm

munstergirl wrote: »

People magazine exclusive

"Meghan Markle and Archie Spoke with the Queen Before Prince Philip's Funeral, Says Source"

The source has been busy.

And this is the cover of people magazine. I wonder if William would agree.

walshb · 21-04-2021 7:32pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why are Irish people defending the british royal family? ew

Does nationality matter here?

And who’s defending RF?

Is it not more people righty criticising the appalling behaviour of Harry and Meghan on their attack against their own family , a family that can’t really defend against at it..

I’d criticised anyone doing what the gruesome twosome done here..

What happened has nothing to do with the titles or importance or significance of those involved. It has to do with decency, standard, morals, character and goodness; all sorely lacking with what them two did.

Immortal Starlight · 21-04-2021 11:50pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Imagine running back to a pregnant wife instead of a 95th birthday....what an utter c*nt

While I may not describe Harry in such a colourful way I do indeed think his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. His grandmother is in mourning having just buried her husband and who knows this could be her last birthday. Meghan is pregnant not terminally ill and isn’t due her baby until the summer. After the upset he’s already caused his grandmother the least he could have done was stayed one more day to see her on her 95th.

Neyite · 22-04-2021 12:59pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

While I may not describe Harry in such a colourful way I do indeed think his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. His grandmother is in mourning having just buried her husband and who knows this could be her last birthday. Meghan is pregnant not terminally ill and isn’t due her baby until the summer. After the upset he’s already caused his grandmother the least he could have done was stayed one more day to see her on her 95th.

The flip side though might be that seeing his face might only anger her and would be additional stress that is the last thing she needs right now.

I mean, we know that the family knew when the DoE went into hospital that the end was not far off and that he would be lucky to make his 100th birthday. An interview this explosive, threw a family who's bracing themselves for a bereavement into a sh!tstorm that they really didn't need at that time. And at the centre of it was his granny who bent over backwards to facilitate them both in Royal life until they tried to take the piss.

The stuff in the interview was ALL historical, so they waited this long, why not wait a bit longer? My theory is that the eulogising and praise the others in the family were getting after the DoE died is a naturally occurring PR boost for them - I mean, even Andrew was temporarily off limits and felt it was safe enough to show his face and say a few careful words to the press. H&M needed to get in there first with their story about how hard done by they were, before public sympathy switched to the Royals on their bereavement - which it did.

end of the road · 22-04-2021 1:09pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

While I may not describe Harry in such a colourful way I do indeed think his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired. His grandmother is in mourning having just buried her husband and who knows this could be her last birthday. Meghan is pregnant not terminally ill and isn’t due her baby until the summer. After the upset he’s already caused his grandmother the least he could have done was stayed one more day to see her on her 95th.

how do you know he could have stayed another day? sometimes it is not always possible for individuals who have come long distances to a funeral to stay more then a certain amount of days for various reasons, even though they might want to.
i would imagine he did get to see his grandmother anyway, and while i'm sure he would have liked to have spent her birthday with her he may not have been able to do so as for whatever reason he had to get back unfortunately.

Be right back · 22-04-2021 1:09pm

Neyite wrote: »

The flip side though might be that seeing his face might only anger her and would be additional stress that is the last thing she needs right now.

I mean, we know that the family knew when the DoE went into hospital that the end was not far off and that he would be lucky to make his 100th birthday. An interview this explosive, threw a family who's bracing themselves for a bereavement into a sh!tstorm that they really didn't need at that time. And at the centre of it was his granny who bent over backwards to facilitate them both in Royal life until they tried to take the piss.

The stuff in the interview was ALL historical, so they waited this long, why not wait a bit longer? My theory is that the eulogising and praise the others in the family were getting after the DoE died is a naturally occurring PR boost for them - I mean, even Andrew was temporarily off limits and felt it was safe enough to show his face and say a few careful words to the press. H&M needed to get in there first with their story about how hard done by they were, before public sympathy switched to the Royals on their bereavement - which it did.

I do think that she wasn't invited to the funeral, limited numbers or not and made it like as if she couldn’t travel on medical advice.

Neyite · 22-04-2021 1:21pm

Be right back wrote: »

I do think that she wasn't invited to the funeral, limited numbers or not and made it like as if she couldn’t travel on medical advice.

I agree. It was just fortuitous that she's pregnant and that it provided a handy excuse rather than the embarassment of saying Granny didn't extend the invitation to her.

Most airlines will let you fly until 37weeks - she's nowhere near that. And I'm pretty sure that if you are rich and famous which she is, any airline would probably let you on. Hell, if she really wanted, she's got the resources to bring an OBGYN with her if it was an essential journey.

Immortal Starlight · 22-04-2021 1:59pm

end of the road wrote: »

how do you know he could have stayed another day? sometimes it is not always possible for individuals who have come long distances to a funeral to stay more then a certain amount of days for various reasons, even though they might want to.
i would imagine he did get to see his grandmother anyway, and while i'm sure he would have liked to have spent her birthday with her he may not have been able to do so as for whatever reason he had to get back unfortunately.

From what I can see there’s no reason he couldn’t stay one more day. He’s in no danger of loosing his job and Meghan isn’t due to give birth until the summer. He didn’t even have to stay the whole day. He could have visited his grandmother in the morning and left England in the afternoon. I know he saw his grandmother before her birthday but I do feel he should have made a much better effort. Who knows how many more birthdays she has left? It’s too late for regret when an important person in your life is gone and it would have been the mannerly thing to do.

Be right back · 22-04-2021 2:08pm

Are the palace finally speaking out? Apologies for the source.

Iscreamkone · 22-04-2021 2:23pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

From what I can see there’s no reason he couldn’t stay one more day. He’s in no danger of loosing his job and Meghan isn’t due to give birth until the summer. He didn’t even have to stay the whole day. He could have visited his grandmother in the morning and left England in the afternoon. I know he saw his grandmother before her birthday but I do feel he should have made a much better effort. Who knows how many more birthdays she has left? It’s too late for regret when an important person in your life is gone and it would have been the mannerly thing to do.

If fairness she does have a couple of birthdays every year

end of the road · 22-04-2021 2:48pm

Be right back wrote: »

Are the palace finally speaking out? Apologies for the source.

i'm sure if he could have done that he would.
especially since he has just lost his grandfather which would focus the mind a bit even though he would be already aware that he could lose his grandmother at any time.

Immortal Starlight · 22-04-2021 5:33pm

Iscreamkone wrote: »

If fairness she does have a couple of birthdays every year

Yeah but she’s only got one real birthday and even though she’s got two birthdays officially who knows if she’s going to be alive for the next one. Also she’s got two birthdays because she’s the queen. That means she’s Harry’s queen as well as his grandmother. I think he definitely could have handled things much better and with more respect. He should spend as much time with her as he can because she’s not getting any younger and it’s very hard living with regrets after someone dies.

Leg End Reject · 22-04-2021 7:03pm

I doubt Harry was wanted tbh, he threw the family under the bus while his grandfather was dying. "Happy birthday!" really isn't going to undo that.

Immortal Starlight · 22-04-2021 8:06pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I doubt Harry was wanted tbh, he threw the family under the bus while his grandfather was dying. "Happy birthday!" really isn't going to undo that.

Oh yeah I know and completely agree. I would not expect it to. What I mean is he kinda rubbed salt in the wound by taking off so soon. His family were probably afraid to talk to him anyway in case it would be front page news the next day who knows. I just thought it was sad especially for his grandmother that’s all.

ceadaoin. · 22-04-2021 8:24pm

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Oh yeah I know and completely agree. I would not expect it to. What I mean is he kinda rubbed salt in the wound by taking off so soon. His family were probably afraid to talk to him anyway in case it would be front page news the next day who knows. I just thought it was sad especially for his grandmother that’s all.

Well it's already been leaked by their mouthpiece that he met the queen privately at least twice when he was over. They are probably saving the details for another TV special, or maybe just waiting for an important day for some other RF member that they can grab the headlines by releasing some more details. That's how he rolls now. If they didn't want him around its no wonder.

Be right back · 22-04-2021 8:35pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well it's already been leaked by their mouthpiece that he met the queen privately at least twice when he was over. They are probably saving the details for another TV special, or maybe just waiting for an important day for some other RF member that they can grab the headlines by releasing some more details. That's how he rolls now. If they didn't want him around its no wonder.

Well, Kate and William's 10th anniversary is later this month so I imagine they might try steal some of the limelight.

Itssoeasy · 22-04-2021 11:02pm

Is the two birthdays thing for the queen because one of them is her date of coronation which was in June of 1953 ? If that’s it then fair enough I suppose but if it’s not then it’s a bit daft.

I see that Gail king is supposed to have questioned why princess Anne was in the funeral party of her father and the bit I read there was an attempt to create controversy where there wasn’t any. Do we think Gail king came up with that opinion by herself ?

hamburgham · 22-04-2021 11:18pm

Be right back wrote: »

Well, Kate and William's 10th anniversary is later this month so I imagine they might try steal some of the limelight.

Quite an achievement in that family.

hamburgham · 22-04-2021 11:23pm

Be right back wrote: »

I do think that she wasn't invited to the funeral, limited numbers or not and made it like as if she couldn’t travel on medical advice.

I don’t think I could have stomached seeing her there so no idea how the family could take it.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-04-2021 11:40pm

hamburgham wrote: »

I don’t think I could have stomached seeing her there never mind the family.

I would put money on her being invited, i would also put money on her using the pregnancy as a get out.

i've never been a pregnant woman so i dont really know.

to put the whole thing to bed, i hope the queen just strips them of any royal title/entitlements/passports/whatever else.

for their own sake at the very least...just set them free!

Neyite · 23-04-2021 10:08am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Is the two birthdays thing for the queen because one of them is her date of coronation which was in June of 1953 ? If that’s it then fair enough I suppose but if it’s not then it’s a bit daft.

One is her real birthday and the other is on a Saturday in June - I'd say that's just down to logistics as a set day of the week is easy to plan the public celebrations and not have the disruption of it during a working week.

wrote:

I see that Gail king is supposed to have questioned why princess Anne was in the funeral party of her father and the bit I read there was an attempt to create controversy where there wasn’t any. Do we think Gail king came up with that opinion by herself ?

If that woman knew anything, she would know that Anne probably was the closest to her dad out of all her siblings. How was it worded? On the face of it, it potentially a pretty sexist statement from Gayle King - why wouldn't Anne walk in the funeral procession of her father like her brothers? Why should she be excluded - the only reason I could see Gayle thinking she should be is that she's female.

dogbert27 · 23-04-2021 10:27am

Neyite wrote: »

One is her real birthday and the other is on a Saturday in June - I'd say that's just down to logistics as a set day of the week is easy to plan the public celebrations and not have the disruption of it during a working week.

If that woman knew anything, she would know that Anne probably was the closest to her dad out of all her siblings. How was it worded? On the face of it, it potentially a pretty sexist statement from Gayle King - why wouldn't Anne walk in the funeral procession of her father like her brothers? Why should she be excluded - the only reason I could see Gayle thinking she should be is that she's female.

Or maybe she was trying to make a veiled attempt at who said the "racist" comment

valoren · 23-04-2021 11:10am

Prince Louis turns 3 and the photo released to mark it must surely be a barbed dig at Harry's historical revisionism? It’s Louis, the “spare”, riding a bike and looking absolutely delighted in spite of the "toxic" trap of being Royal. Harry, as we know, was never allowed to ride a bike when he was a kid (but actually was).

Neyite · 23-04-2021 11:20am

dogbert27 wrote: »

Or maybe she was trying to make a veiled attempt at who said the "racist" comment

I dunno, I think she's just stirring out of nothing. This is the comment: "Gayle asked why Anne was in the funeral procession with the men?"

Gayle King is a crap journalist as even with a quick google she'd know that Anne also did this nearly 20 years ago for her grandmothers funeral.

The simple answer is that his children surrounded the coffin, and after them, other senior royals. It's possible there would have been more in the procession except due to covid restrictions on funeral numbers they had to be left off the procession.

PhoenixParker · 23-04-2021 11:28am

valoren wrote: »

Prince Louis turns 3 and the photo released to mark it must surely be a barbed dig at Harry's historical revisionism? It’s Louis, the “spare”, riding a bike and looking absolutely delighted in spite of the "toxic" trap of being Royal. Harry, as we know, was never allowed to ride a bike when he was a kid (but actually was).

It's OK though. Megs & Archie have been papped in case anyone was getting too focused on a Cambridge kid.

valoren · 23-04-2021 11:37am

Gayle King questioning why Princess Anne was part of the procession for her father when the tradition is that it is men only? Now I'm no Sherlock Holmes but, given that the Duke was reportedly heavily involved in the planning of his own funeral then I would probably think that this was what the Duke wanted?

Neyite · 23-04-2021 11:54am

PhoenixParker wrote: »

It's OK though. Megs & Archie have been papped in case anyone was getting too focused on a Cambridge kid.

I said earlier in this thread that Royals and their courtiers have been doing spin and PR centuries before it ever was a thing.

Nobody wants to see two ex-royals in their jeans going on a hike or going shopping. That's only mildly interesting when it's someone you'd normally see glammed up. People want to see the pomp and ceremony of an archaic and mysterious monarchy, they want to see the elegance, glamour, the jewels and the dresses.

Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

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