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The annual ASTI Easter strike threat

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  • #1252
    square ball
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    khalessi wrote: »
    Doctors threatened industrial action in December for January for a pay increase, but sure dont let facts stand in the way

    Some Public Health Doctors voted for industrial action due to an ongoing issue which they had been trying to resolve with the Government since 2019. They had threatened to escalate industrial action in 2019.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/consultants-and-doctors-vote-for-industrial-action-4938655-Dec2019/

    They voted for industrial action in December but called off the strike because of the escalation in Covid cases.

    Many of them also worked for over 9 months in direct contact with Covid positive patients on many cases without any vaccine.

    Hardly the same as ASTI demanding priority in the vaccinations over the rest of the population.


  • #1253
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    Because they have retired on a big fat pension years before.

    Anybody taking advantage of early retirement did so with an actuarially reduced pension.


  • #1254
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    endacl wrote: »
    Anybody taking advantage of early retirement did so with an actuarially reduced pension.

    I notice you didn't deny it was a big fat pension, even if actuarially reduced. Teachers can buy years of service as well on top of those were employed for so they don't lose much by retiring early.


  • #1255
    briangriffin
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭briangriffin


    Claw Hammer wrote: »
    I notice you didn't deny it was a big fat pension, even if actuarially reduced. Teachers can buy years of service as well on top of those were employed for so they don't lose much by retiring early.

    Early retirement
    Big fat pensions where they can "buy years"
    Working only half days
    Weeks and months of holidays on end
    Can't be fired
    Lazy and incompetent
    Militant Unions
    Did I miss anything??


  • #1256
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,888 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    briangriffin wrote: »
    Early retirement
    Big fat pensions where they can "buy years"
    Working only half days
    Weeks and months of holidays on end
    Can't be fired
    Lazy and incompetent
    Militant Unions
    Did I miss anything??

    If you're compiling a list:

    Sense of entitlement
    Resistant to any and all change to work practices
    A select few will steal vaccines from hospital patients

    I'm sure others can add more for your list, what do you mean to do with it?


  • #1257
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,327 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    endacl wrote: »
    Anybody taking advantage of early retirement did so with an actuarially reduced pension.

    Not true.

    https://www.education.ie/en/Education-Staff/Services/Retirement-Pensions/FAQ-for-Teachers-in-Primary-Schools.pdf

    "Where a teacher is not a New Entrant and has a minimum of 2 years’
    pensionable service on retirement, benefits are payable to him or her –
     at the end of the school year in which age 65 years is reached,
    (on compulsory retirement), or
     at 60 years of age, or
     at 55 years of age provided that the teacher has at least 35 years actual
    pensionable service. A period shorter than the 35 year requirement
    may be permitted having regard to the duration of the teacher’s training
    course completed before entering the profession. "

    Under that third bullet point, when retiring at 55, pension is paid immediately, is not actuarily reduced and is based on actual service. This facility is not available to public servants generally, though some smaller groups (gardai, prison officers) have other such terms.


  • #1258
    Claw Hammer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    briangriffin wrote: »
    Early retirement
    Big fat pensions where they can "buy years"
    Working only half days
    Weeks and months of holidays on end
    Can't be fired
    Lazy and incompetent
    Militant Unions
    Did I miss anything??

    Yes. "Working only half days" should read "attend only half days".


  • #1259
    briangriffin
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭briangriffin


    astrofool wrote: »
    If you're compiling a list:

    Sense of entitlement
    Resistant to any and all change to work practices
    A select few will steal vaccines from hospital patients

    I'm sure others can add more for your list, what do you mean to do with it?

    Good stuff Il add those

    Early retirement which is not actuarially reduced nice one so they can retire at 55 on full pension
    Big fat pensions where they can "buy years"
    Working only half days edit "attend only half days"
    Weeks and months of holidays on end
    Can't be fired
    Lazy and incompetent
    Militant Unions

    Sense of entitlement (presumably that's beyond vaccines too)
    Resistant to any and all change to work practices
    Steal vaccines from hospital patients

    Anything else??


  • #1260
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The general point that teachers have been well-looked after stands. In fact, it is difficult to argue in favour of vaccinating teachers given how few of the vulnerable teachers are actually working in the classroom.

    I agree with you on the last point in particular.

    Is that going by your own experience in your school?


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  • #1261
    briangriffin
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭briangriffin


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Like everyone else looking at themselves, wouldn't teachers be the ones least well-qualified to comment on the issue in that there is an inherent bias?

    The irony of that.


  • #1262
    hesaidshesaid
    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭hesaidshesaid


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Not true.

    https://www.education.ie/en/Education-Staff/Services/Retirement-Pensions/FAQ-for-Teachers-in-Primary-Schools.pdf

    "Where a teacher is not a New Entrant and has a minimum of 2 years’
    pensionable service on retirement, benefits are payable to him or her –
     at the end of the school year in which age 65 years is reached,
    (on compulsory retirement), or
     at 60 years of age, or
     at 55 years of age provided that the teacher has at least 35 years actual
    pensionable service. A period shorter than the 35 year requirement
    may be permitted having regard to the duration of the teacher’s training
    course completed before entering the profession. "

    Under that third bullet point, when retiring at 55, pension is paid immediately, is not actuarily reduced and is based on actual service. This facility is not available to public servants generally, though some smaller groups (gardai, prison officers) have other such terms.

    There are currently three different pension schemes at play within the education sector. The point you raise above does not apply to any teacher who started teaching since 2004. A significant proportion of the teaching workforce began their careers within the last 17 years and are not entitled to this.


  • #1263
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,354 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    hesaidshesaid wrote: »
    There are currently three different pension schemes at play within the education sector. The point you raise above does not apply to any teacher who started teaching since 2004. A significant proportion of the teaching workforce began their careers within the last 17 years and are not entitled to this.

    And pre-2004, they’d have to have started teaching with a permanent contract at age 20. With a degree. And a HDip if teaching in a secondary school.


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