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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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    #2672
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Alkers wrote: »
    Has there been anything about those two smaller second hand PVs (kiwi) other than that article?
    Nothing new since then.


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    #2673
    Alkers
    Registered Users Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭Alkers


    sparky42 wrote: »
    Where else would you suggest that it go?

    Having seen the state of defence forces IT literacy, equipment etc - as far away as possible!


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    #2674
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,880 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Alkers wrote: »
    Having seen the state of defence forces IT literacy, equipment etc - as far away as possible!


    And go where? Gardaí are worse based on what I know of their cyber crime capacity, nor is it really within their area. The State of the DF is just simply due to utter lack of funding, if like everything else we even spent 1% on it you can be damn sure it would be in a better state.


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    #2675
    Heraldoffreeent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Heraldoffreeent


    Alkers wrote: »
    Is the defence forces best placed for cyber defense do you think? It seems a terrible fit to me, apart from their own networks

    I work in IT and Comms, and without even looking at how or what the DF do, I know they can't afford the talent they need to be competent in that area. If they were to try to pay and rank comparable to the private sector, they'd soon have more 26 year old Colonels than Lieutenants.

    In addition, the numbers for this in terms of individuals wouldn't be a couple of lads and a laptop, you'd need suitably qualified people to manage them, create a hierarchy that's taken seriously at a senior level, and buy them some pretty sneaky and expensive software from our Israeli friends . Thats going to scale it to 300/600 people , and I don't see the DF having the where withal to absorb that number, and type of individual, easily and quickly, within the rigid defence structure that exists.

    There's a job of work alone, in trying to monitor and figure out, what the Russians are doing in Rathgar, why they want to quadruple the size of it, why they need such massive connectivity there, and who all these bodies are that fly in and out of it every month.

    The advantage Putin has, is that in a country the size of Russia, you'll get a lot of kids who'll take up hacking and be happy to earn 20/30% more than their peers because they don't want to leave the mother country, and with sanctions, unemployment, and a relatively depressed economy, he can be a bigger fish than his alcoholic mate.

    Like Fighter jets, this is something you'ld need to start now, and hope to be up to credible capability in 10 years.

    That said, If a structure could be put in place, then the DF or AGS would be the place it should be, and not the Dept of the Environment, Climate change and Communications.

    It's interesting that the former Crime and Security Bureau is being re-named as the National Security and Intelligence Service, and is being beefed up with 2 additional Chief Superintendents, along with pro-rata Inspectors, Sergeants, and entry level bods. Also, the newly established Cyber crime Bureau are actively recruiting civilian tech specialists. A person I know, in one of our subcontractors, has been talking to them.
    But I'm not sure what types of individuals they are looking for and where they are going with pay.

    But these are areas we really need to start taking seriously, or we'll find we're swimming naked when the tide of FDI is going out, never to return


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    #2676
    Dohvolle
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    The people you need to operate in the area of cyber defence and security are (based on the UK experience) people who are wholly unsuited to military life.
    At the same time, military management is the only structure that these people could effectively operate in.
    When the defence forces have people with the necessary skills, they soon get bored and move on.
    It's worth finding on BBC Player the episode of Infinite Monkey Cage from GCHQ. There's more to it than staring at screens and hacking.


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    #2677
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    For a country of our size and limited expenditure on security we should have a single joint Military/Garda cyber unit.


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    #2678
    jonnybigwallet
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    Interesting point of view !


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    #2679
    mikeym
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    https://www.echolive.ie/corkviews/arid-40285367.html


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    #2680
    Tabnabs
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    I sailed with a guy who was ex-INS and he told of having to run the gauntlet through the town to avoid being beaten by the Cobh lads on the way back to the base. Seemed, interesting...


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    #2681
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    I sailed with a guy who was ex-INS and he told of having to run the gauntlet through the town to avoid being beaten by the Cobh lads on the way back to the base. Seemed, interesting...

    Yeah, Cobh is a Kip. Full of Provo Sympathisers. Lately most members of the NS live on the other side of the base, instead of opposite it.
    Don't get me wrong I have many Cobh friends but as one all will say only for the fact they were born there they wouldn't like to live there.


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    #2682
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Long undercurrent of dislike for the Navy in Cobh, between Shinners, old Dockyard people and general gougers/local resentment at outsiders. Some Navy heads didnt help themselves with the usual drinkin' 'n' fightin' mentality. A Navy friend once described it ABC,Anywhere But Cobh. Kind of like Portsmouth or Southampton with an Irish accent. The equivalent would be Newbridge or Kildare for the Army.


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    #2683
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Long undercurrent of dislike for the Navy in Cobh, between Shinners, old Dockyard people and general gougers/local resentment at outsiders. Some Navy heads didnt help themselves with the usual drinkin' 'n' fightin' mentality. A Navy friend once described it ABC,Anywhere But Cobh. Kind of like Portsmouth or Southampton with an Irish accent. The equivalent would be Newbridge or Kildare for the Army.

    Yeah, anyone with hair too short setting foot in that Kildare "Nightclub" did so in the expectation they would get into some form of altercation with "jockeys".
    Certain pubs in Cobh had the same.


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    #2684
    Larbre34
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    Ungrateful ****s

    How many Towns held huge protests down the years at the economic damage of the loss of barracks and bases.

    Move the whole NS to Dun Laoghaire or Galway and see how they like it in Cobh. Gobshytes.


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    #2685
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Ungrateful ****s

    How many Towns held huge protests down the years at the economic damage of the loss of barracks and bases.

    Move the whole NS to Dun Laoghaire or Galway and see how they like it in Cobh. Gobshytes.

    Carrigaline loves the Navy. Many of their Take-aways are happy to deliver to the main gate, again and again. There is more to the harbour than just mav town.


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    #2686
    Larbre34
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    Mav?


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    #2687
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Mav?

    Mavericks. Cobh people. No idea why.


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    #2688
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    All gone rather quiet regarding the purchase of 2 x NZ second hand inshore patrol vessels. Wonder has this been shelved?


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    #2689
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Hard to know.

    If they have entered bi-lateral negotiations with the Kiwis it will be complex enough and kept very quiet until everything is agreed.

    Overall though you'd have to imagine they are very attractive to the NS with reduced crew requirement and jump in modernity over the Peacocks.


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    #2690
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    NS celebrating it's 75th anniversary in a few months. They'll hold off all the announcements until then, seeing as most of the celebrations are cancelled due to Covid (and the other elephant in the room).
    The timing of the Small boat tender competition also permits timely good news Naval stories.


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    #2691
    roadmaster
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    The way things are going the Navy may not hit its 75th birthday

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40295585.html

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40295258.html


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    #2692
    jonnybigwallet
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    That's not good news. Evidently the financial incentives they offered were not sufficient to make it attractive enough to stay...half measures or too little too late.


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    #2693
    Dohvolle
    Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    The incentive was fine, just not enough were eligible for it, particularly those at the bottom step in the ladder, or those who need to go ashore frequently to update their technical training.


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    #2694
    Swindled
    Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭Swindled


    Dohvolle wrote: »
    NS celebrating it's 75th anniversary in a few months. They'll hold off all the announcements until then, seeing as most of the celebrations are cancelled due to Covid (and the other elephant in the room).
    The timing of the Small boat tender competition also permits timely good news Naval stories.

    Yep . . . careful PR and marketing will surely build and shore up a crumbling DF.


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    #2695
    Swindled
    Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭Swindled


    roadmaster wrote: »
    The way things are going the Navy may not hit its 75th birthday

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40295585.html

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40295258.html

    If they based recruitment on physical fitness rather than calendar age limits, they would have a lot of career changers that would gladly do a stint in the Naval Service.


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    #2696
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,845 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Agree, there's people that already have a bit of money behind them that would love to do 5 years with the DF, the age limit should be raised to maybe 45.


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    #2697
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    That rules me out...ha ha!


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    #2698
    Larbre34
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    Don't worry JB, they'll still need targets for practice.


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    #2699
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    All gone quiet on the potential acquisition of two vessels from the Kiwis. I wonder are they tryin to broker a deal to do a part exchange / swap involving 1 of the 4


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    #2700
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Continued...larger OPV's. Hence the secrecy. After all...they don't seem able to crew them all.


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    #2701
    sparky42
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    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    All gone quiet on the potential acquisition of two vessels from the Kiwis. I wonder are they tryin to broker a deal to do a part exchange / swap involving 1 of the 4

    The Kiwis have zero interest in buying one of our ships. Either it’s gone quiet because someone in the department has killed it off, or because they are still talking to them.


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