Crew cab/ passenger jeep

Mad_maxx · 28-07-2020 8:58pm

wrangler wrote: »

Yea a lot of time wasters on done deal, Sellers are dreamers with their prices and buyers only looking for something to do.
Those landcruiser business class are very expensive, over priced because of the cheap tax I suppose, but even I couldn't justify it.
I think they wanted around 40000 with my 2012 Hilux for a two or three year old one,
For some reason a friend of mine is paying 1200 to insure one, I wonder is that the norm.

I don't know what the brother is paying but 1200 seems very high

The reason the business class is so high is because the new ones took a 20% price hike over two years ago, the VRT rate was changed by the government ,prior to that , a business class was 58k straight or thereabouts, they are 72 k brand new today, leaves second hands very expensive themselves

Brother paid just shy of 39 k along with his 06 SWB commercial for a 2017 with 60000 km on the clock

Dealer was looking 45950 for the jeep, he probably gave my brother 5k at best but whatever way you look at it, they are very pricey

tractorporn · 30-07-2020 9:59pm

Any one ever try a Santa Fe converted to a crew cab? Maybe not exactly this one as I dont think tan leather would go well with cow dung but something similar to this

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/hyundai-santafe-crew-cab/25507453

Anyone have one or a commercial one? What I'm getting at is the 2.2 engine good to pull/tow?

selectamatic · 30-07-2020 11:30pm

tractorporn wrote: »

Any one ever try a Santa Fe converted to a crew cab? Maybe not exactly this one as I dont think tan leather would go well with cow dung but something similar to this

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/hyundai-santafe-crew-cab/25507453

Anyone have one or a commercial one? What I'm getting at is the 2.2 engine good to pull/tow?

They're a poor engine and heavy on diesel. Lots of issues with the injectors and injection pump/fuel pump setup.

Just generally noted as being soft and there's often quite a few on dd for breaking with the engine gone.

lakill Farm · 31-07-2020 3:18pm

them larger crewcab vans are under a new VRT headings since July/August 2018. I think the same time the landcruiser business was changed also

Anyway the price for new went up about 20% I think back then

selectamatic wrote: »

Big crew van on finance. No heed on maintenance costs get a service plan worked into the purchase, any problem the warranty should cover it and then just get a new one in 3 years time. Could be managed favourably for tax purposes perhaps. Takes the risk out of buying 2nd hand.

2.3 ducato, Renault Master etc. Heavy duty ones rated for 3500kg. There's even 4x4 versions although I'd imagine they're pricey.

Maybe financing a crewcab could be another option although I'd be thinking it'd be quite a bit dearer.

Keepgrowing · 31-07-2020 10:12pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

They look alright but a1.9l would only be suitable for pulling a few calves or sheep.

1.9 here and she’ll walk away with five cows in the box unreal torque and a lovely low first gear for takeoff. Looked at all other models when changing but dismissed all based on 1st gear being too high.

Grueller · 31-07-2020 10:27pm

Keepgrowing wrote: »

1.9 here and she’ll walk away with five cows in the box unreal torque and a lovely low first gear for takeoff. Looked at all other models when changing but dismissed all based on 1st gear being too high.

Dmax?

Keepgrowing · 01-08-2020 9:35am

Grueller wrote: »

Dmax?

Yes, I traded a 10 plate L200 and delighted with change. It’s a beast to pull and travel ground, splashed out on a set of BF Goodrich All terrain tyres makes a job of it

Cavanjack · 01-08-2020 10:02am

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Yes, I traded a 10 plate L200 and delighted with change. It’s a beast to pull and travel ground, splashed out on a set of BF Goodrich All terrain tyres makes a job of it

You buy new?

Keepgrowing · 01-08-2020 10:25am

Cavanjack wrote: »

You buy new?

Yes

Mad_maxx · 01-08-2020 11:07am

Never heard a bad word about those Isuzu dmax bar they're not exactly range rover comfort levels?

Why did Isuzu stop making the trooper, was it down to emissions making them a non runner?

Even in the nineties, the trooper was rough and ready

Hard Knocks · 01-08-2020 12:09pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Never heard a bad word about those Isuzu dmax bar they're not exactly range rover comfort levels?

Why did Isuzu stop making the trooper, was it down to emissions making them a non runner?

Even in the nineties, the trooper was rough and ready

The 3.1L was high geared bit once you got going she’d show on
Is there a high-low box on the Dmax?

Keepgrowing · 01-08-2020 5:41pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

The 3.1L was high geared bit once you got going she’d show on
Is there a high-low box on the Dmax?

Yes

Grueller · 01-08-2020 7:19pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

The 3.1L was high geared bit once you got going she’d show on
Is there a high-low box on the Dmax?

Always has been. I have a 14 year old one here and it has the electronic range shift. Got one clutch at 200,000 km, a window regulator last year and nothing else in the 10 years I have it. Only 240,000 on her so I plan to keep her another 5+ years.

Say my name · 01-08-2020 9:08pm

Not sure if the Dacia Duster should be in this thread with the op looking for a towing vehicle and a family carrier combined.
The towing capacity is 1500kgs but it'd do the family carrying and fairly cheap to run and cheap to buy. 4wd too so go anywhere.

Anyone have one and what do you make of it?

Didn't look through all the thread but the Toyota Rav4 always had a good name. Towing capacity 1800kgs.

Mad_maxx · 01-08-2020 9:13pm

maybe consider the jeep grand cherokee

as long as you dont buy anything older than 2011 , you are getting a very decent 4wd , they improved no end from 2011 on , great to look at if you like the big american aggressive 4wd look ?

cheap second hand , biggest issue is there are hardly any dealers left as jeep always floundered in ireland , they are successful most places but a relative flop across the board here

they arent sh1t anymore though , not as reliable as toyota for sure but way more craic , id take one over a pajero any day of the week

They look very American but engines are now Italian and transmission German- ZF

jfh · 01-08-2020 10:21pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Has anyone any experience of a Ssangyong Musso? I think there a 2.2 litre. I see a few starting to appear locally but there not about long enough to critique them. There not especially cheap and I'd imagine there trade in against anything else would be nearly none existent.

They seem to be getting good reviews anyway, but as you mentioned depreciation would be an issue

Hard Knocks · 01-08-2020 10:58pm

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Yes

Some modern 4x4 have button

Gods Gift · 02-08-2020 8:08am

On third trooper here. 04 with a 98 3.1 engine in it. 320k. Does some amount of going.

kerryjack · 02-08-2020 9:01am

Gods Gift wrote: »

On third trooper here. 04 with a 98 3.1 engine in it. 320k. Does some amount of going.

Do you do repairs yourself on it. I think if you are handy enough and do a bit of welding some repairs, something like this would suit a lad but if you have to bring it to a garage it could rob you. The new kia sorento 7 seater are a fair looking beast and could do both family and farming and would keep herself happy.

Mad_maxx · 02-08-2020 10:22am

jfh wrote: »

They seem to be getting good reviews anyway, but as you mentioned depreciation would be an issue

depreciation would be cruel, ssangyong had a terrible name for a long time and fairly justified too

josephsoap · 02-08-2020 8:23pm

Anyone know if you could crew cab a SWB landcruiser?

02-08-2020 10:52pm

josephsoap wrote: »

Anyone know if you could crew cab a SWB landcruiser?

Not a chance, you need a load area of a certain size and the SWB has a tiny boot if it has back seats. You can 2 seat commercialise it only.

punisher5112 · 03-08-2020 11:39am

Trooper was the worst 4x4 I ever owned and an absolute money out of problems.
2002 130k miles. Absolutely dirt.

Dmax meant to be much more reliable.

Grueller · 03-08-2020 5:05pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Trooper was the worst 4x4 I ever owned and an absolute money out of problems.
2002 130k miles. Absolutely dirt.

Dmax meant to be much more reliable.

That was a 3.0. Their problems are well documented but the 3.1 that went before them were savage.

03-08-2020 5:14pm

kerryjack wrote: »

..... The new kia sorento 7 seater are a fair looking beast and could do both family and farming and would keep herself happy.

150k kms / 7 year warranty..... If towing go auto

dodo mommy · 02-12-2020 4:56pm

I'm in the market for a good second hand crew cab, Hilux, ranger, or L200. What are peoples thoughts on them, I'm in a full time off farm job so it would be parked up for 40 hours a week. I just need it for occasional trips to factory and odd jobs like that.

E mac · 02-12-2020 5:07pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

I'm in the market for a good second hand crew cab, Hilux, ranger, or L200. What are peoples thoughts on them, I'm in a full time off job so it would be parked up for 40 hours a week. I just need it for occasional trips to factory and odd jobs like that.

I bought a 171 VW Amorok last august v happy so far with it. I was told good things about the L200 but wasn't keen on account of Mitsubishi supposedly leaving Europe. I didn't come across a Hilux in my search that appealed to me (mileage too high ,too basic). The Ford Ranger was the one I initially really wanted they look great inside and out but every person I know in the motor trade told me to stay away from them due to engine problems.

monseiur · 02-12-2020 5:25pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

I'm in the market for a good second hand crew cab, Hilux, ranger, or L200. What are peoples thoughts on them, I'm in a full time off farm job so it would be parked up for 40 hours a week. I just need it for occasional trips to factory and odd jobs like that.

The Toyota Land Cruiser is by far the best ..but a tad expensive and hard to find a second hand one. Because of their reliability owners tend to keep them, sometimes for decades.

Tonynewholland · 02-12-2020 5:42pm

monseiur wrote: »

The Toyota Land Cruiser is by far the best ..but a tad expensive and hard to find a second hand one. Because of their reliability owners tend to keep them, sometimes for decades.

A new Land cruiser will set you back between 45/50k.

wrangler · 02-12-2020 5:56pm

Tonynewholland wrote: »

A new Land cruiser will set you back between 45/50k.

And it wouldn't be a passenger jeep at that price.
This is the biz.

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/toyota-hilux-2-4-invincible-4x4-crew-cab-45395-o/26543822

Tonynewholland · 02-12-2020 6:09pm

wrangler wrote: »

And it wouldn't be a passenger jeep at that price.
This is the biz.

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/toyota-hilux-2-4-invincible-4x4-crew-cab-45395-o/26543822

Those prices are just commercial.

josephsoap · 02-12-2020 6:59pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

I'm in the market for a good second hand crew cab, Hilux, ranger, or L200. What are peoples thoughts on them, I'm in a full time off farm job so it would be parked up for 40 hours a week. I just need it for occasional trips to factory and odd jobs like that.

What’s your budget ?

French Toast · 02-12-2020 7:10pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

I'm in the market for a good second hand crew cab, Hilux, ranger, or L200. What are peoples thoughts on them, I'm in a full time off farm job so it would be parked up for 40 hours a week. I just need it for occasional trips to factory and odd jobs like that.

Land Cruiser and Hilux head and shoulders above the rest. Buy either with low-ish miles and a service history from a reputable dealer and you can't really go wrong.

josephsoap · 02-12-2020 7:17pm

Does the hilux have a centre diff?

Think I seen somewhere that you cannot drive some pick ups in 4WD on the road (unlike the landcruiser for example which is permanent 4WD)

Tonynewholland · 02-12-2020 7:56pm

French Toast wrote: »

Land Cruiser and Hilux head and shoulders above the rest. Buy either with low-ish miles and a service history from a reputable dealer and you can't really go wrong.

What are the newer Nissan Navara like.

02-12-2020 8:11pm

French Toast wrote: »

Land Cruiser and Hilux head and shoulders above the rest. Buy either with low-ish miles and a service history from a reputable dealer and you can't really go wrong.

A landcruiser with low miles & history from a reputable dealer would be mental money.

kevthegaff · 02-12-2020 9:47pm

I've a 08 automatic hilux, was making knocking noises last week, anyway diff packed it in, 500 for a second hand one

French Toast · 03-12-2020 12:14am

Augeo wrote: »

A landcruiser with low miles & history from a reputable dealer would be mental money.

It would indeed. It would also be your best bet, if your budget allowed it.

Grueller · 03-12-2020 7:35am

French Toast wrote: »

It would indeed. It would also be your best bet, if your budget allowed it.

See kevthegaffs post right up above this one. I have an 06 dmax that I bought 10 years ago for €7250. Never had anything bar a clutch at 200,000 and that after pulling a stock box all over Leinster and a nice bit of East Munster.
I have a friend with an 06 hilux that has been minded like a baby, has only 190,000 km on her and she is in a body shop today getting the chassis welded and having to get an engineers report done.
I like the Toyota's, in fact if I were in the market for a jeep and the budget allowed I would buy one, but they are not the be all and end all like everyone thinks. I just think they are trading off of a reputation earned 30 years ago that may not be entirely deserved today. My opinion only.

Tonynewholland · 03-12-2020 9:03am

Grueller wrote: »

See kevthegaffs post right up above this one. I have an 06 dmax that I bought 10 years ago for €7250. Never had anything bar a clutch at 200,000 and that after pulling a stock box all over Leinster and a nice bit of East Munster.
I have a friend with an 06 hilux that has been minded like a baby, has only 190,000 km on her and she is in a body shop today getting the chassis welded and having to get an engineers report done.
I like the Toyota's, in fact if I were in the market for a jeep and the budget allowed I would buy one, but they are not the be all and end all like everyone thinks. I just think they are trading off of a reputation earned 30 years ago that may not be entirely deserved today. My opinion only.

Is it down to rust on the chassis It’s becoming more of a problem now in the older ones.

Grueller · 03-12-2020 9:12am

Tonynewholland wrote: »

Is it down to rust on the chassis It’s becoming more of a problem now in the older ones.

Ya. Fair hole in it too.

greysides · 03-12-2020 10:25am

Tonynewholland wrote: »

Is it down to rust on the chassis It’s becoming more of a problem now in the older ones.

I'm told that the newer ones are worse in that regard than the older. The older will be a problem now due to their accumulated age. The newer is obviously not due to age.

Once you regard a chassis as a fixable or replaceable part then the worry levels can drop. You can have them welded or replaced, there are people on DoneDeal that will do it, or maybe someone local.

I've a 95 series LandCruiser. I needed to get some welding done this year so I did a thorough job on it: rust converter/paint/waxoyl and schultz on the underbody.

A friend with a different end goal in mind got a bit of welding done (less than mine) and galvanised the chassis. He's going to keep his. My job was to extend its useful life...... maybe to skip EV time altogether and go to a hydrogen cell for my next vehicle (probably pie in the sky- really don't think much of the battery idea at all). Might work, I've only 334,000 miles on it, should go to 500,000, engine-wise; body will continue to be a concern though.

My suggestion would be to look for a passenger 90/95 series with low rust (mileage irrelevant) and be prepared to pay a bit more than you think it's worth. Then look after it!

03-12-2020 10:54am

French Toast wrote: »

It would indeed. It would also be your best bet, if your budget allowed it.

Not really IMO ............. look at the reality of the figures..........
Old examples from dealers....

Commercial 2007 Toyota Landcruiser SWB//AUTO/FULL LEATHER/IMMACULATE ..... 552,000 km asking €10k

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/fpa/202008202715690?journey=Search

2009 asking €17k, another SWB commercial...... 128,744 km
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/fpa/202010255408620?journey=Search

2018 (181) Toyota Landcruiser commercial €34k + VAT so €41k .......... see below. they are 47k new ............. this thing is nearly 3 years old and they are asking €6k under the price of a new one.........
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/fpa/202010205229377?journey=Search

They make no sense to buy second hand off dealers, with histories and low mileage as the prices are absolute lunacy....... €17k for an 11 year old SWB Commercial ............. €50k for a 3 year old LWB 5 seat model.......... you won't find any value in between either from dealers.

The only way these make sense is to buy new and keep them for 10+ years but they aren't free to maintain once the miles and years creep up ....... fair enough, you wont' see one that was looked after sh1tting itself engine wise but they are not like a Carina E where you can get away with an oil and filter change a year and a set of pads every few years

New LAND CRUISER COMMERCIAL - LWB GX COMMERCIAL €47,040 inc VAT isn't out of the way for what you are getting (A Hyundai Santa Fe 2 seat commercial is €36k inc VAT for a 2WD and 43k inc VAt for the 4WD, so 4WD Santa Fe is nearly same price as a Landcruiser... makes the new Landcruiser look well priced but 2nd hand they are mad money )................ the last time the 5 seater N1 was available I think it was €62k + VAT ......... I think they were cheaper in 2017/2018 but I can't recall the exact numbers.

This wouldn't be too bad to be fair if you really want one and you'd 40k ex VAT ......2017 (171) Toyota Landcruiser LWB BUSINESS AUTO 5 seater with commercial tax ....... €50k including VAT 58,000 km (this wouldn't be too bad to be fair if you can get the VAT back......... it's very fresh)
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/landcruiser/fpa/202011105978321?SOURCE_ID=SOURCE_ID_FPA_FROM_FEAT_LIST&journey=FeaturedListing ........

Tonynewholland · 03-12-2020 11:04am

greysides wrote: »

I'm told that the newer ones are worse in that regard than the older. The older will be a problem now due to their accumulated age. The newer is obviously not due to age.

Once you regard a chassis as a fixable or replaceable part then the worry levels can drop. You can have them welded or replaced, there are people on DoneDeal that will do it, or maybe someone local.

I've a 95 series LandCruiser. I needed to get some welding done this year so I did a thorough job on it: rust converter/paint/waxoyl and schultz on the underbody.

A friend with a different end goal in mind got a bit of welding done (less than mine) and galvanised the chassis. He's going to keep his. My job was to extend its useful life...... maybe to skip EV time altogether and go to a hydrogen cell for my next vehicle (probably pie in the sky- really don't think much of the battery idea at all). Might work, I've only 334,000 miles on it, should go to 500,000, engine-wise; body will continue to be a concern though.

My suggestion would be to look for a passenger 90/95 series with low rust (mileage irrelevant) and be prepared to pay a bit more than you think it's worth. Then look after it!

What’s the cost of getting the chassis looked after the way you did it or galvanise it. I’ve a 07 from new and it’s at the stage now that I either change or spend money on the chassis

03-12-2020 11:16am

A place in Navan vintage car welding used to have a website with their prices....... I found this on their instagram just there........

You will be able to book through our Facebook app an appointment that will take from an hour to two hours, in that time we will clean the underneath of your car and provide a rust treatment✊�� This will Extended the life time of your car by minimum of five years �� if we find any rust spots we will weld them on the spot (1 -3 small spots), no need to leave your car overnight�� Sit down have a coffee and we will protect your car✅✅✅ this Service will cost €320

I think it was a deep clean and some rust converter ........... from facebook.........

✅You should get this done ✅
��The Vintage Car Welding Company is based in NAVAN, IRELAND��
(30 minutes from Blanchardstown)
We offer a different level of service for all types of car or van owners including classic car owners��
A detailed underbody treatment including steam chassis flush, rust conversion and stone-chip protection��
You can book your car/van online at www.vintagecarwelding.ie��;
We also provide a replacement van for tradesmen for the duration of the works ��
Cost for the van hire is 50 euro for 3 days.
You must hold a commercial insurance policy,
Call your provider and temporary transfer the insurance.
Cost for VAN/4x4. 850 euro
Cost for a CAR 750 euro

Standard underbody treatment around 1000
Full strip, welding, blasting, galvanising can cost anything from 6 to 10k depending on how much welding there is needed.

Tonynewholland · 03-12-2020 11:59am

Augeo wrote: »

A place in Navan vintage car welding used to have a website with their prices....... I found this on their instagram just there........

You will be able to book through our Facebook app an appointment that will take from an hour to two hours, in that time we will clean the underneath of your car and provide a rust treatment✊�� This will Extended the life time of your car by minimum of five years �� if we find any rust spots we will weld them on the spot (1 -3 small spots), no need to leave your car overnight�� Sit down have a coffee and we will protect your car✅✅✅ this Service will cost €320

I think it was a deep clean and some rust converter ........... from facebook.........

✅You should get this done ✅
��The Vintage Car Welding Company is based in NAVAN, IRELAND��
(30 minutes from Blanchardstown)
We offer a different level of service for all types of car or van owners including classic car owners��
A detailed underbody treatment including steam chassis flush, rust conversion and stone-chip protection��
You can book your car/van online at www.vintagecarwelding.ie��;
We also provide a replacement van for tradesmen for the duration of the works ��
Cost for the van hire is 50 euro for 3 days.
You must hold a commercial insurance policy,
Call your provider and temporary transfer the insurance.
Cost for VAN/4x4. 850 euro
Cost for a CAR 750 euro

Standard underbody treatment around 1000
Full strip, welding, blasting, galvanising can cost anything from 6 to 10k depending on how much welding there is needed.

Thanks for this info

Albert Johnson · 03-12-2020 12:08pm

If the op is only using the jeep for a few hours sporadically each week then it hardly justifies buying a new or nearly new jeep? I'd be inclined to buy a pre D4D land cruiser, those engine's seem to be more reliable as the year's and milage increase. I currently drive a 08 Ford ranger, it's the 2.5 version and I couldn't fault it tbh. It's not a toyota but it's done a fair bit of towing and general rooting and never let me down. The ranger was also half the price (€5000) of what a similar age and milage landcruiser would have been.

Buying any second hand jeep has the potential to end up with an expensive disappointment. However I'd recommend getting a competent person to look over any potential purchase before doing a deal. If you put in the effort to research what your buying and have a little luck then you should finish up with a serviceable jeep no matter what the badge on the bonnet is.

doctorchopper · 03-12-2020 12:20pm

Tonynewholland wrote: »

What are the newer Nissan Navara like.

I have a 2018 navara, It's very comfortable, quiet and smooth to drive. I had a 2012 D40 previously. The 2018 doesn't seem to have as much low down power as the 2012, possibly down to twin turbo and smaller cc, they are both the same Bhp at 190, but it just seems to lack at low rpm's, almost like turbo lag. I had the d40 for 5 years and was excellent, only thing that went on it was alternator. it was 3 years old when i got it, first thing i did was treat inside and outside of the chassis (this was before the cracked chassis issue of the older ones) best thing i could have done as i would say its saved it. The 2018 scares me some times with all the electrics it has (euro 6 so its full of sensors and emissions crap). I don't tow anything so can't comment on how it will perform there. I carry my enduro bike in the back and thats about it. Economy wise its about the same as the D40, I get on average 32 MPG, best I got was 42, worst was 25 so all depends on how you drive it. They make a 160 bhp single turbo version but i'd say it would be a dog of a thing to drive.

03-12-2020 12:26pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

If the op is only using the jeep for a few hours sporadically each week then it hardly justifies buying a new or nearly new jeep? I'd be inclined to buy a pre D4D land cruiser, those engine's seem to be more reliable as the year's and milage increase. I currently drive a 08 Ford ranger, it's the 2.5 version and I couldn't fault it tbh. It's not a toyota but it's done a fair bit of towing and general rooting and never let me down. The ranger was also half the price (€5000) of what a similar age and milage landcruiser would have been...........

I'm not suggesting he buys a new Jeep, I was commenting that 2nd hand landcruisers are appalling value............ the older they get the more expensive they are relative to any sane depreciation curve

My comments are in direct reply to

Augeo wrote: »

A landcruiser with low miles & history from a reputable dealer would be mental money.

French Toast wrote: »

It would indeed. It would also be your best bet, if your budget allowed it.

Albert Johnson · 03-12-2020 1:59pm

Augeo wrote: »

I'm not suggesting he buys a new Jeep, I was commenting that 2nd hand landcruisers are appalling value............ the older they get the more expensive they are relative to any sane depreciation curve

My comments are in direct reply to

My comments weren't meant directly in reply to you, in fact you've raised a point that I've always made about buying Toyota jeeps. The best value is in new or nearly new as anything in the second hand category is mentle money especially for anything clean or low milage.

The OP has never disclosed there budget despite being questioned on it. It's very hard to give advice when we don't know if the OP is looking to spend €5,000 or €35,000. It's hard to justify anything more than a middle of the road jeep if it's going to spend the biggest part of the week parked up. There's plenty of early 2000 reg landcruisers through the country that would do the OPs work.

Crew cab/ passenger jeep

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