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Brexit discussion thread XII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #9502
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Muscles Schultz wrote: »
    Leo didn’t move.

    Well he did - he went to Cheshire.


  • #9503
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Well he did - he went to Cheshire.
    exactly. The Wirral if I recall. EU won't budge on LPF its all games and they know this. It boils down to how slim a deal they want.


  • #9504
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Well he did - he went to Cheshire.
    trellheim wrote: »
    exactly. The Wirral if I recall. EU won't budge on LPF its all games and they know this. It boils down to how slim a deal they want.
    What are you on about? You think the location of a meeting means anything? So every time a UK PM has to come to Brussels it means what? Does this sound like Boris out-maneuvered anyone?

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-and-irish-pm-meet-in-wedding-venue-for-last-ditch-brexit-talks-11832073

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49995133

    I remember Twitter and r/ukpolitics at the time mostly reporting it as Varadkar spoon-feeding Boris on how things were anyway.


  • #9505
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Thargor wrote: »
    What are you on about? You think the location of a meeting means anything? So every time a UK PM has to come to Brussels it means what? Does this sound like Boris out-maneuvered anyone?

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-and-irish-pm-meet-in-wedding-venue-for-last-ditch-brexit-talks-11832073

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49995133

    I remember Twitter and r/ukpolitics at the time mostly reporting it as Varadkar spoon-feeding Boris on how things were anyway.

    OK there should have been a smiley face.

    Boris agreed to 'what no British Prime Minister would agree to' - a border down the Irish sea. That was some movement. The EU moved from a back stop to a front stop - which is what they wanted in the first place.


  • #9506
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    Well he did - he went to Cheshire.
    Boris wanted Leo to come to London, but they ended up meeting in Cheshire, so both parties compromised


  • #9507
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    OK there should have been a smiley face.

    Boris agreed to 'what no British Prime Minister would agree to' - a border down the Irish sea. That was some movement. The EU moved from a back stop to a front stop - which is what they wanted in the first place.

    Several political analysts have speculated that Johnson didn't actually realise what he had signed up to. The 'towering intellectual' of the right wing press is actually a bit dense in real life with poor attention to detail.

    From memory, I think even Ken Clarke was one of those putting forward this theory.


  • #9508
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Several political analysts have speculated that Johnson didn't actually realise what he had signed up to. The 'towering intellectual' of the right wing press is actually a bit dense in real life with poor attention to detail.

    From memory, I think even Ken Clarke was one of those putting forward this theory.

    Who actually considers him a "towering intellectual", can I ask? He's always been a buffoon.

    As far as I know, he also conceded on the £7bn the UK was due from the European Investment Bank too. As in, it was clear that May was negotiating for this to go back to the UK, but Boris just gave it up without a fight:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-gives-up-7bn-windfall-from-european-investment-bank-tq0qskgfc

    Then there is also the "oven ready" deal, which he later claimed was entirely unfair on the UK.


  • #9509
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,580 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Several political analysts have speculated that Johnson didn't actually realise what he had signed up to. The 'towering intellectual' of the right wing press is actually a bit dense in real life with poor attention to detail.

    From memory, I think even Ken Clarke was one of those putting forward this theory.

    When you look past the classical education, the large words, the occasional Latin and the odd historical reference there is very little left. Sir Nicholas Soames once said that one should not conflate fluency and a moderately well cut suit with wisdom.

    The thing with Johnson isn't that he's stupid. It's worse than that. He's vain, conceited, possibly narcissistic and monumentally lazy. Tim Shipman documents this well in his chronicle of the referendum All Out War. I often find myself wondering why he's Prime Minister. Surely he was better off trotting out hack pieces for the Telegraph about how the EU was going to ban wisdom teeth or something.

    He has clearly outsourced himself to Cummings. This levelling up agenda is clearly a Cummings project and I don't see how it squares with leaving the EU without a deal in place by the end of the year. It's going to be a bad look when Britain goes for a second "lockdown" while the EU starts to return to normal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9510
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    When you look past the classical education, the large words, the occasional Latin and the odd historical reference there is very little left. Sir Nicholas Soames once said that one should not conflate fluency and a moderately well cut suit with wisdom.

    I do not think anyone can accuse Johnson of wearing a well cut suit. He hardly ever tucks his shirt into his trousers, and just ruffles his hair. Also, he is not very fluent - always bumbling and blustering. So zero points for feigning wisdom.

    He is not good at detail - owing to his laziness. He does not get the big picture owing to his limited grasp of things outside Greco-Roman ancient history. So what is left? Not much, beyond bombast.


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  • #9511
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    He is not good at detail - owing to his laziness. He does not get the big picture owing to his limited grasp of things outside Greco-Roman ancient history. So what is left? Not much, beyond bombast.

    He managed to get to be PM, and Mayor of London - hardly jobs you fall into, Jim Hacker aside . A lot of it is an act , granted . However I do not know what he stands for - which is a very different position from other Tory PMs like Major and Thatcher


  • #9512
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    trellheim wrote: »
    He managed to get to be PM, and Mayor of London - hardly jobs you fall into, Jim Hacker aside . A lot of it is an act , granted . However I do not know what he stands for - which is a very different position from other Tory PMs like Major and Thatcher

    Politically, he was very much a One Nation Tory but he sold his soul for fame and power. His Ego got the better of him. He is now a pathetic glove puppet for Cummings.


  • #9513
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭Jizique


    trellheim wrote: »
    He managed to get to be PM, and Mayor of London - hardly jobs you fall into, Jim Hacker aside . A lot of it is an act , granted . However I do not know what he stands for - which is a very different position from other Tory PMs like Major and Thatcher

    He managed that largely due to his role on a tv comedy series which convinced large parts of the London electorate that he was a bit of fun, not a xenophobic nationalist which is what got him elected as leader of the party


  • #9514
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    As we are reaching the 10000 post threshold, I’ve created a new thread here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058099620


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