This one tip to get away with drunk driving...solicitors hate it

Captain Obvious · 13-01-2019 4:13pm #1

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-driving-drink-arrest-4435488-Jan2019/

A SUSPECTED DRUNK driver was able to evade garda detection last week because the garda member driving the patrol car was not authorised to use the siren or drive at high speeds, TheJournal.ie has learned.

“Out of 26 sworn members in one Garda unit the Authority visited, only one had sufficient training to drive in emergency situations.

Cats out of the bag now. Maybe it explains all the checkpoints people have been giving out about. If you can't chase the driver, get them to come to you.

Galwayguy35 · 13-01-2019 4:20pm

Kind of begs the question as to why every Garda hasn't the same level of training so they can do their job properly.

Looks like Charlie Flanagan is a useless gobsh1te as Minister for Justice.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 13-01-2019 4:23pm

Still a gamble. Squad car sticks on lights. You can make a break for it, hope he’s not qualified to chase after you. But if he is, you’ll be prosecuted for doing that as well.

Captain Obvious · 13-01-2019 4:27pm

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Still a gamble. Squad car sticks on lights. You can make a break for it, hope he’s not qualified to chase after you. But if he is, you’ll be prosecuted for doing that as well.

Can't use flashing blues while moving either.

amcalester · 13-01-2019 4:37pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Can't use flashing blues while moving either.

So do they just follow you until you reach your destination or how do they signal you to pull over?

13-01-2019 4:41pm

“Out of 26 sworn members in one Garda unit the Authority visited, only one had sufficient training to drive in emergency situations."

Is this for real? Mickey Mouse wouldn't get a look in.

Captain Obvious · 13-01-2019 4:43pm

amcalester wrote: »

So do they just follow you until you reach your destination or how do they signal you to pull over?

That's pretty much it. Or go up to your car when you stop at lights or something.

amcalester · 13-01-2019 4:44pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's pretty much it. Or go up to your car when you stop at lights or something.

Madness. They shouldn’t be allowed drive a car unless certified to use all the equipment contained in it.

Captain Obvious · 13-01-2019 4:46pm

amcalester wrote: »

Madness. They shouldn’t be allowed drive a car unless certified to use all the equipment contained in it.

You mean they shouldn't be directed to drive a car.

amcalester · 13-01-2019 5:01pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You mean they shouldn't be directed to drive a car.

Yeah, I probably do.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-01-2019 5:15pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kind of begs the question as to why every Garda hasn't the same level of training so they can do their job properly.

Looks like Charlie Flanagan is a useless gobsh1te as Minister for Justice.

The day to day responsibility for running the gardai isn’t the minister’s job.

Tuco88 · 13-01-2019 9:58pm

Its a real life police academy sadly.

They should play the theme tune at templemore.

Doo do daaa doo do doooo.....

whisky_galore · 13-01-2019 10:02pm

Do they get penalty points for unauthorised use of blue lights?

sligojoek · 13-01-2019 10:56pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kind of begs the question as to why every Garda hasn't the same level of training so they can do their job properly.

Looks like Charlie Flanagan is a useless gobsh1te as Minister for Justice.

This has been an issue long before Charlie Flanagan came along.

RacoonQueen · 13-01-2019 11:02pm

Baffling that they leave Templemore without the qualifications to drive the Garda car 'properly'. Do they have to have a full licence to apply? For Ambulance / FB you have to have a van licence before you're even called in.

IrishLad90 · 13-01-2019 11:04pm

Had to double-check the title for this. Probably the most Irish thread of the weekend

whisky_galore · 13-01-2019 11:05pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Baffling that they leave Templemore without the qualifications to drive the Garda car 'properly'. Do they have to have a full licence to apply? For Ambulance / FB you have to have a van licence before you're even called in.

'Van licence'
What's that?

I've driven vans for years unaware they needed a special licence.

vicwatson · 13-01-2019 11:12pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Kind of begs the question as to why every Garda hasn't the same level of training so they can do their job properly.

Looks like Charlie Flanagan is a useless gobsh1te as Minister for Justice.

Flanagan is a mega buffoon

RobbieMD · 13-01-2019 11:38pm

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Baffling that they leave Templemore without the qualifications to drive the Garda car 'properly'. Do they have to have a full licence to apply? For Ambulance / FB you have to have a van licence before you're even called in.

No it’s not a requirement to have a licence before joining. I imagine it comes down to money, the course to use lights and sirens is three weeks long with one instructor and three students per car.

gctest50 · 14-01-2019 12:05am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Can't use flashing blues while moving either.

So.... what some people might do is accelerate away from them, then stop safely and quickly if the siren/blue lights come on

Then they'll claim "Didn't know who you were until the blue lights came on"

listermint · 14-01-2019 12:11am

RobbieMD wrote: »

No it’s not a requirement to have a licence before joining. I imagine it comes down to money, the course to use lights and sirens is three weeks long with one instructor and three students per car.

Then get 5 more instructor's and clear the backlog over the next 3 years

Hellrazer · 14-01-2019 12:15am

whisky_galore wrote: »

'Van licence'
What's that?

I've driven vans for years unaware they needed a special licence.

Ambulances are over the weight limit for a normal car licence with all the equipment in them.
Its a C licence you need for an ambulance.

touts · 14-01-2019 12:22am

Surely this applies to every crime. Break the spead limit in the getaway car and you're home free because the guards probably can't chase you, the Garda helicopter is more than likely hours away on another job and we have pretty much no CCTV in this country. You'd want to be fairly unlucky to get caught. And let's assume the unqualified guard chasing you decides to do his job and breaks the speed limit chasing you I assume some bastard lawyer will get you off on the technicality that the guard wasn't legally entitled to chase you. Believe me solicitors won't hate this. It'll help them keep more criminals out on the streets repeat offending so they can pay off that 191 BMW a few weeks earlier.

The Irish justice industry "Keeping criminals on the streets since 1922".

Fann Linn · 14-01-2019 12:24am

A joke of a force.

bilbot79 · 14-01-2019 12:31am

So one crap Garda unit has a bad level of cbd2. All the rest might be grand. I think I'll continue to drive sober thanks

RacoonQueen · 14-01-2019 12:47am

whisky_galore wrote: »

'Van licence'
What's that?

I've driven vans for years unaware they needed a special licence.

My sincerest apologies for posting something so incredibly offensive to you and being unaware of the exact details of different licence categories for vehicles I have no intention of ever driving. I hope you can find it in your big warm heart to forgive me.

gctest50 · 14-01-2019 1:00am

touts wrote: »

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And let's assume the unqualified guard chasing you decides to do his job and breaks the speed limit chasing you I assume some bastard lawyer will get you off on the technicality that the guard wasn't legally entitled to chase you. Believe me solicitors won't hate this.

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What if the person crashes at high speed while being chased by a guard who doesn't hold the necessary certificate ?

Compo citaaaaaay

willowthewisp · 14-01-2019 2:53am

Actually quite sad that people who are in the wrong manage to have so many technicalities to get off, and that people glorify in it.

gctest50 · 14-01-2019 3:16am

willowthewisp wrote: »

Actually quite sad that people who are in the wrong manage to have so many technicalities to get off, and that people glorify in it.

What's sad about it is letting them out of Templemore or wherever and they not legally able to use blue lights n sirens

It's like some giant human farming experiment gone wrong

You can see why many Americans think giant lizards are really controlling the place

McDermotX · 14-01-2019 3:29am

Usual crap will come out about lack of resources etc
Anything and everything to deflect, reapportion blame, make the Guards out to be little more than mindless poverty-stricken automatons at the whim of those in control of their budget.
In the private industry they'd be long gone.

Me arse, I say. Me arse !

RobbieMD · 14-01-2019 4:14am

listermint wrote: »

Then get 5 more instructor's and clear the backlog over the next 3 years

That’d hardly put a dent in it though.
52 weeks in a year. 3 weeks per course. Roughly 17 courses per year per instructor assuming they take no holiday leave. 3 students per car is roughly 50 trained to that level. An extra 5 instructors would train up 250 per year. However we have to take failures into account which I believe is around a third or so.

Also those instructors don’t just do car courses, there’s a load of other courses to run too, not just car courses.

I can see why Templemore can’t train them all up.

jhenno78 · 14-01-2019 4:34am

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ambulances are over the weight limit for a normal car licence with all the equipment in them.
Its a C licence you need for an ambulance.

Not a C1 license?
I'd guess that's what they're calling a van license - it's what you'd need (or C1E) to drive a few van-ish things out there or any large van with a trailer.

(I mean a C would cover it too, just a pain to get)

Captain Obvious · 14-01-2019 1:56pm

touts wrote: »

Surely this applies to every crime. Break the spead limit in the getaway car and you're home free because the guards probably can't chase you, the Garda helicopter is more than likely hours away on another job and we have pretty much no CCTV in this country. You'd want to be fairly unlucky to get caught. And let's assume the unqualified guard chasing you decides to do his job and breaks the speed limit chasing you I assume some bastard lawyer will get you off on the technicality that the guard wasn't legally entitled to chase you. Believe me solicitors won't hate this. It'll help them keep more criminals out on the streets repeat offending so they can pay off that 191 BMW a few weeks earlier.

The Irish justice industry "Keeping criminals on the streets since 1922".

Drink driving is special in that it is not what is defined as an arrestable offence under law. What this means in practice is once you are in the door of your house then you cannot be arrested for drink driving.

listermint wrote: »

Then get 5 more instructor's and clear the backlog over the next 3 years

Wouldn't make a dint. What they should do is lessen the gap between the course levels. Currently it goes from a one day course that is of a lower standard than a regular driving test to a 3 week course that covers all manner of emergency driving. There is surely something that could be put in the middle there. Maybe a four day course that covers when to use lights and sirens and how to safely drive at low speeds through bus lanes and red lights.

This one tip to get away with drunk driving...solicitors hate it

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