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US college course bans the words 'male' and 'female'

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    TBH I can sort of see why a college class focused on gender might do this. If the point of the class it to get students thinking about gender (and class, race etc.) in ways they might have not done before, then forcing students to use different pronouns or no pronouns or whatever, is a way to accomplish this.

    For example, suppose you're reading a book. If you're into thinking about literature and writing and gender and race etc., then it's a bit interesting to think about how your enjoyment or interpretation of the book is affected by the gender of the characters, and the assumptions you have about gender. So using gender neutral pronouns is a way of encouraging people to think about that; what if you don't know the gender of the characters at all? Do you assume some are male and some female? How is your interpretation different to other people's? In turn what causes those differences etc. So in the context of the course in question, I don't see what the issue is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    You seem to be getting angry.
    Not at all - not sure where you got that. I actually rather enjoy shining the spotlight on someone who gets caught talking through their arse.
    Thanks for the analysis of me.
    And thanks for abandoning your ridiculous defense of your posts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Rym Shanley


    Mourinho wrote: »
    Another one of my favourites and this is coming from a person who works in this area.

    If you take the terms retard, disabled and special needs. At one time or another these were perfectly acceptable medical terms, however they then were labelled as offensive and hurtful and all that jazz and a new term is coined.

    But you see here's where the brain hasn't been engaged, these words were turned into insults from the playground to the workplace by regular people, for instance the kid that lets in the losing goal at lunch time "Paddy you retard!"

    Or even adults discussing a very stupid workmate or a local eejit "That fellas one disabled bastard"

    So a new PC term is coined, for instance the current intellectually challenged term I have heard been used as an insult a few times, well guess what that then becomes an insult and will no doubt lead to new term being coined as someone will in turn say how offensive it is, it really beggars belief.

    If you really want to try and change things then keep one phrase from now on and forever more and encourage its proper use and let older terms like retard fall away into the category of eejit, gob****e, etc Which IMO is the way these words are used anyway, 99.9% in a context not referring to an actual person with special needs.

    Like shouting "spastic" at people in school.

    But nobody would ever do it do a real spastic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    But nobody would ever do it do a real spastic.
    That response is too funny.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Not at all - not sure where you got that. I actually rather enjoy shining the spotlight on someone who gets caught talking through their arse.

    And thanks for abandoning your ridiculous defense of your posts.
    You seem to be getting angry.

    Thanks for the analysis of me. Good man. Now let's return to the topic, which actually isn't me!

    MOD
    The 2 of you need to stop engaging with each other in this manner on this thread. Keep it civil and on the topic please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    It sounds like these types want to eliminate gender distinctions much like the way Marxists want to eliminate class distinctions. While Marxists dream of a classless society, these Swedish feminists appear to dream of a genderless society. So they're basically like some sort of Gender Marxists.

    You're so close! Just a little more and we can look forward to "cultural marxist" among the many insults directed towards anyone stupid enough to dare uttering a left-wing opinion on AH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    More PC madness from the USA, absolutely nuts.

    This sh*t is killing progress , I hope it can't last


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    You're so close! Just a little more and we can look forward to "cultural marxist" among the many insults directed towards anyone stupid enough to dare uttering a left-wing opinion on AH.

    ah is heavily left wing, it just isn't your particular uber progressive death to the white man brand of left wing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,120 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    psinno wrote: »
    I'm confident concepts exist outside of one countries constitutional restrictions on government action. Usually they even pre-date them. Anyhow https://xkcd.com/386/

    In this case I wager you will find no legal action is available to be taken. Also, its just the terms male and female removed from an arts class.
    zeffabelli wrote: »
    I think given they are state employees, there would be a case for a 1st amendment argument.

    Not likely. State-funded universities have the freedom to do lots of things, like prohibit racially motivated speech. Such things are common in a code of conduct. This isn't even barring the students from using the term outside of the classroom, just in this classroom and during the coursework presumably. Its as much of a violation as advanced-level language courses mandating you do not speak natively/English in the classroom at all, and falls under the same academic rationale.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Overheal wrote: »
    In this case I wager you will find no legal action is available to be taken. Also, its just the terms male and female removed from an arts class.



    Not likely. State-funded universities have the freedom to do lots of things, like prohibit racially motivated speech. Such things are common in a code of conduct. This isn't even barring the students from using the term outside of the classroom, just in this classroom and during the coursework presumably. Its as much of a violation as advanced-level language courses mandating you do not speak natively/English in the classroom at all, and falls under the same academic rationale.

    Yes I know that, but it is arguable a constitutional issue...what I mean is I could see viability in a constitutional law case over it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,120 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It might make it to a lower court before dismissal and would likely never make it to the SCOTUS.

    Seen too many cases and know of too many things that are being gotten away with to assume this is different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Cienciano wrote: »
    They were right, a fúcking college course in america and people are going mad over it like it's the end of the world and it actually effects their lives :rolleyes:
    The problem is that people come out of these nut houses and into positions of power, which may be as little as whipping up a Twitter hate mob to destroy a scientist, or as much as getting into political office and actually passing laws. So yes, crap like this does affect our lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,120 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    To wit, for those interested, Texas teaches Creationism, bashes Evolution and instructs children on the dangers of vaccinations:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_texas_public_schools_undermining_the_charter_movement.html
    In 1987, the Supreme Court ruled in Edwards v. Aguillard that teaching creationism is unconstitutional. In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover case, Judge John Jones III ruled in federal district court that intelligent design is still creationism and equally unconstitutional.

    To get around court rulings, Responsive Ed and other creationists resort to rhetoric about teaching “all sides” of “competing theories” and claiming that this approach promotes “critical thinking.”

    In response to a question about whether Responsive Ed teaches creationism, its vice president of academic affairs, Rosalinda Gonzalez, told me that the curriculum “teaches evolution, noting, but not exploring, the existence of competing theories.”
    ...

    The only study linking vaccines to autism was exposed as a fraud and has been retracted, and the relationship has been studied exhaustively and found to be nonexistent. But a Responsive Ed workbook teaches, “We do not know for sure whether vaccines increase a child’s chance of getting autism, but we can conclude that more research needs to be done.”

    On the scientific method, Responsive Ed confuses scientific theories and laws. It argues that theories are weaker than laws and that there is a natural progression from theories into laws, all of which is incorrect.

    The Responsive Ed curriculum undermines Texas schoolchildren’s future in any possible career in science.
    Their history text is similarly bad:
    In the section on the causes of World War I, the study materials suggest that “anti-Christian bias” coming out of the Enlightenment helped create the foundations for the war. The workbook states, “[T]he abandoning of religious standards of conduct and the breakdown in respect for governmental authority would lead to one of two options: either anarchy or dictatorship would prevail in the absence of a monarch.” Responsive Ed also asserts that a person’s values are based on solely his or her religious beliefs.

    A section on World War II suggests that Japan’s military aggression was led by the samurai. They write, “Following World War I, Japan attempted to solve its economic and social problems by military means. The Samurai, a group promoting a military approach to create a vast Japanese empire in Asia, wanted to expand Japan’s influence along the Chinese mainland including many Pacific Islands.”

    I asked one of my former professors about this. Rich Smith, an East Asia scholar at Rice University, said, “There were no samurai in Japan after WWI; the samurai class was effectively abolished in 1876, after the Meiji Restoration in 1868.”

    Responsive Ed continues to demonstrate its religious and cultural biases in a section on the Philippines, describing the population as made up of “Catholics, Moslems (Muslims), and pagans in various stages of civilization.”

    When discussing stem cells, it claims President George W. Bush banned stem-cell research because it was done “primarily with the cells from aborted babies.” The California Institute for Regenerative Medicine debunks this on its website: “A common misconception is that the cells can come from aborted fetuses, which is in fact not possible.”

    About LGBTQ rights, Responsive Ed says, “Laws against the homosexual lifestyle had been repealed in many states, but some states continued to ban the behavior.” The homosexual lifestyle?

    About President Franklin Roosevelt, it teaches, “The New Deal had not helped the economy. However, it ushered in a new era of dependency on the Federal government.”

    Perhaps the workbook’s best line comes when it explains that President Jimmy Carter pardoned Vietnam War draft dodgers out of “a misguided sense of compassion.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    They want to kill all Jewish people and take over the world?
    To quote Voltaire;those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Yes I know that, but it is arguable a constitutional issue...what I mean is I could see viability in a constitutional law case over it.

    It's no more a constitutional issue than an Econmics course penalising someone for using the word 'rational' in an incorrect way, or using any other terminology in the wrong way. For the purposes of that class, male/female aren't the right words to use, and if you use those words you lose marks. It's as simple as that. College essays and marking schemes aren't covered under free speech. The first amendment specifically refers to congress making a law that restricts freedom of speech; this doesn't even approach a freedom of speech issue.
    SeanW wrote: »
    The problem is that people come out of these nut houses and into positions of power, which may be as little as whipping up a Twitter hate mob to destroy a scientist, or as much as getting into political office and actually passing laws. So yes, crap like this does affect our lives.

    So it affects our lives insofar as it has affected the life of one specific scientist who wore a certain shirt, and that's about it. Ireland is probably years away from repealing the ban on abortion, and the constitution still says women's place is in the home; I doubt there's a chance we'll be getting into diminising returns regaring people being 'liberal' any time soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    It's a third level education problem, isn't it?

    Third level education has a bit of a monopoly on adult education but too much of what's studied really doesn't need to be in such a formal setting.

    You don't need to go to college to learn to be a chef, a hairdresser or a barman, nor do you need it for academic pursuits that are studied purely for their own sake.

    Whether they are or are not bollocks isn't really important. They shouldn't be treated the same way as technical degrees that are designed to equip you for a career in that field.
    The alternative is this inevitable trivialsation of third level education, or, the over-formalistion of what are either hobbies or crafts.

    Between the internet, apprenticeships and social clubs, our bases are plenty covered.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    God help you if you ever have to listen to someone rant and rave about how you're a huge raving sexist for using the word hysterical due to it's obscure etymology. I got up and walked away two minutes in.
    It's happened on Boards a couple of times. Hell I got stick from a couple of the Offended(™) by using the word "histrionic", as they thought it had the same root.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    strelok wrote: »
    ah is heavily left wing, it just isn't your particular uber progressive death to the white man brand of left wing.
    Ah is left wing on the things it is easy to be left wing about. Its true middle class Irish conservative nature shines through on issues such as the dole, travellers, immigration etc however.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    strelok wrote: »
    ah is heavily left wing, it just isn't your particular uber progressive death to the white man brand of left wing.

    AH isn't any kind of left wing. If it was, d'ya think there'd be so many (and such lengthy) threads full of people whipping themselves into a frenzy about immigration? Any time there's a thread about crime it's full of torture fantasies and calls for all sorts of cruel punishments.

    Those are just two of the most obvious examples, there's a lot of smaller stuff that makes it clear most left-wing opinions are not welcome.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    I think AH is bi polar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Can you actually imagine the level of knobends you'd get in classes like these? They'd have to be Olympic standard at the very least.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 436 ✭✭Old Jakey



    Is there anything feminists don't find oppressive?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Cienciano wrote: »
    They were right, a fúcking college course in america and people are going mad over it like it's the end of the world and it actually effects their lives :rolleyes:

    Eh I dunno, there's plenty of people around who lay most of the world's ills on the Chicago Boys and their college education.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    threads full of people whipping themselves into a frenzy about immigration?

    Not a "frenzy" so much as an expression of truth and facts that are uncomfortable to some.

    These threads are quickly censored when the pro immigration argument is comprehensively defeated, as it has been lately, because of the obvious left wing bias in the moderation of AH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    As we see there's a sizeable group who are always silenced, so silenced that they just keep going on about it instead of moving to a website with moderation that suits them, like 4chan.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    osarusan wrote: »
    Yeah? Which campuses?

    :pac: Good one.
    DeadHand wrote: »
    Not a "frenzy" so much as an expression of truth and facts that are uncomfortable to some.

    These threads are quickly censored when the pro immigration argument is comprehensively defeated, as it has been lately, because of the obvious left wing bias in the moderation of AH.

    You know, I agree with you about immigration, but the moderation on these threads is not what the poster was talking about. The vast majority of posters on AH are neoconservative types (almost always men, with a smattering of female groupies) and as such, so are their posts/opinions. It's quite bizarre to suggest otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NI24 wrote: »
    The vast majority of posters on AH are neoconservative types (almost always men, with a smattering of female groupies) and as such, so are their posts/opinions.
    So in which US college did you do (or are still doing) your undergraduate degree?


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    So in which US college did you do (or are still doing) your undergraduate degree?

    Why do you ask?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    Overheal wrote: »
    To wit, for those interested, Texas teaches Creationism, bashes Evolution and instructs children on the dangers of vaccinations:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_texas_public_schools_undermining_the_charter_movement.html

    Their history text is similarly bad:

    You know ...a friend of mine in the South East, got in trouble for teaching basic biology if you get my drift. She holds a masters in bio technology and was forced to withhold very basic fundamentals about the human body.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    You know ...a friend of mine in the South East, got in trouble for teaching basic biology if you get my drift. She holds a masters in bio technology and was forced to withhold very basic fundamentals about the human body.

    Seeing as how you are still on the thread, any chance you could answer my earlier question?
    osarusan wrote: »
    Yeah? Which campuses?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    osarusan wrote: »
    Seeing as how you are still on the thread, any chance you could answer my earlier question?

    I can't remember.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    I can't remember.
    That's very convenient.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NI24 wrote: »
    Why do you ask?
    To confirm a suspicion, based upon your almost stereotypical adherence to the many very paradigms that are the subject of this thread.

    Even your vocabulary is straight out of this US college scene - for example, the term neoconservative is completely meaningless, at least in the context you appear to be using it in, for an Irish or European reader. Here, neoconservative refers to the Project for the New American Century or the Bush administration around 2003. If it's definition has broadened since, it hasn't made it to this side of the Atlantic yet and so calling people neoconservatives just sounds silly to us.

    Anyhow, your response was sufficient confirmation, although if you do choose to answer, you'll probably be answering osarusan's question too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    To confirm a suspicion, based upon your almost stereotypical adherence to the many very paradigms that are the subject of this thread.

    Even your vocabulary is straight out of this US college scene - for example, the term neoconservative is completely meaningless, at least in the context you appear to be using it in, for an Irish or European reader. Here, neoconservative refers to the Project for the New American Century or the Bush administration around 2003. If it's definition has broadened since, it hasn't made it to this side of the Atlantic yet and so calling people neoconservatives just sounds silly to us.

    Anyhow, your response was sufficient confirmation, although if you do choose to answer, you'll probably be answering osarusan's question too.

    Well, first of all, I got the term neoconservative from Wibbs. He frequently used neoliberal to describe his "opponents", for lack of a better word, and I hijacked it (with my own spin) to describe the posters you frequently see in these types of threads. So if you have a problem with that terminology, take it up with him. Though I sincerely doubt he came out of the US college scene :pac:.

    Anyhow, the rest of your post is typical of your posting history. Trying to bait people because one has nothing but ad hominems and conjecture --oh, excuse me, "suspicions"--to debate with (all this evasion and digression is familiar. Oh, I know, it's the calling card of an SJW! Ironic how you gave such a lengthy spiel about them and your posts are, as you say, the "stereotypical adherence" of one). Then again, I expect nothing less, or, rather, more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    NI24 wrote: »
    Well, first of all, I got the term neoconservative from Wibbs. He frequently used neoliberal to describe his "opponents", for lack of a better word, and I hijacked it (with my own spin) to describe the posters you frequently see in these types of threads. So if you have a problem with that terminology, take it up with him. Though I sincerely doubt he came out of the US college scene :pac:.

    Anyhow, the rest of your post is typical of your posting history. Trying to bait people because one has nothing but ad hominems and conjecture --oh, excuse me, "suspicions"--to debate with (all this evasion and digression is familiar. Oh, I know, it's the calling card of an SJW! Ironic how you gave such a lengthy spiel about them and your posts are, as you say, the "stereotypical adherence" of one). Then again, I expect nothing less, or, rather, more.

    Spiel and your stubborn and repeated misuse of the word irony would be a give away too.

    It is meaningless to apply neo conservative to any European. Yeah sure you got it from Wibbs. Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NI24 wrote: »
    Well, first of all, I got the term neoconservative from Wibbs. He frequently used neoliberal to describe his "opponents", for lack of a better word, and I hijacked it (with my own spin) to describe the posters you frequently see in these types of threads. So if you have a problem with that terminology, take it up with him.
    Oddly, a quick search for the terms neoconservative or even neocon, by Wibbs results in only one 7-year old post. Would you like to let us know where Wibbs has used this term?
    Though I sincerely doubt he came out of the US college scene :pac:.
    Is this because you are far more versed with that scene than the rest of us?
    Anyhow, the rest of your post is typical of your posting history. Trying to bait people because one has nothing but ad hominems and conjecture --oh, excuse me, "suspicions"--to debate with (all this evasion and digression is familiar. Oh, I know, it's the calling card of an SJW! Ironic how you gave such a lengthy spiel about them and your posts are, as you say, the "stereotypical adherence" of one). Then again, I expect nothing less, or, rather, more.
    It would help if you understood what an ad hominem is.

    Were I to simply attack you, the person, without reference to what you have written, then you'd have a point. However, you'll note I have at all times backed up any conclusions precisely with what you've written.

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's hardly an ad hominem to point out that it probably is a duck, and even in this instance - where I sought to confirm your alma mater, it was based on the evidence of what you have posted as you have repeatedly demonstrated the very belief structure that we are discussing in this thread; that you're probably a product of it.

    And guess what? Looks I was right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Spiel and your stubborn and repeated misuse of the word irony would be a give away too.

    It is meaningless to apply neo conservative to any European. Yeah sure you got it from Wibbs. Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

    Ooooh touched a nerve I see. Gotta love how those who have nothing but speculation on their side become increasingly frustrated when called out on it. Fitting into that neoconservative mold more and more as the posts roll on. Btw, feel free to supply the list of colleges you spoke of earlier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    NI24 wrote: »
    Ooooh touched a nerve I see. Gotta love how those who have nothing but speculation on their side become increasingly frustrated when called out on it. Fitting into that neoconservative mold more and more as the posts roll on. Btw, feel free to supply the list of colleges you spoke of earlier.

    Must be happy hour at Applebee's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    Oddly, a quick search for the terms neoconservative or even neocon, by Wibbs results in only one 7-year old post. Would you like to let us know where Wibbs has used this term?

    Why don't you actually read what I wrote? But by all means, continue to misread/misinterpret what people are saying. Your posts are a comedy goldmine for that kind of stuff.
    It would help if you understood what an ad hominem is.

    Were I to simply attack you, the person, without reference to what you have written, then you'd have a point. However, you'll note I have at all times backed up any conclusions precisely with what you've written.

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's hardly an ad hominem to point out that it probably is a duck, and even in this instance - where I sought to confirm your alma mater, it was based on the evidence of what you have posted as you have repeatedly demonstrated the very belief structure that we are discussing in this thread; that you're probably a product of it.

    And guess what? Looks I was right.

    Actually, you've done nothing but speculate about my educational background so you can hurl accusations. Which is fine, but hardly logical or rational debate. It's basically stereotypical digression. You haven't "backed up anything", except in your own mind. Then again, this is the hallmark of the SJW.


  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Must be happy hour at Applebee's.

    Speculation and an ad hominem?! I love it! But seriously, take your time on that list.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    NI24 wrote: »
    Speculation and an ad hominem?! I love it! But seriously, take your time on that list.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    You are throwing neo conservative labels at a European constituency.

    Did they not teach you about ethno centricity it's in your liberal studies 101?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NI24 wrote: »
    Why don't you actually read what I wrote? But by all means, continue to misread/misinterpret what people are saying. Your posts are a comedy goldmine for that kind of stuff.
    You claimed that Wibbs "frequently used neoliberal to describe his "opponents"" and you appropriated the term from him. A search of his posts reveals that he did not. It's pretty clear that what you've claimed is untrue.
    Actually, you've done nothing but speculate about my educational background so you can hurl accusations. Which is fine, but hardly logical or rational debate. It's basically stereotypical digression. You haven't "backed up anything", except in your own mind. Then again, this is the hallmark of the SJW.
    Actually, I identified your educational background based upon your views as a demonstration of what is being discussed in this thread.

    This thread is about the indoctrination presently taking place in US colleges, such as the insane example that was offered in the OP. That this indoctrination has become so blatant is exemplified by your posting style and views, otherwise I would not have been able to guess where you had received (or will receive) your undergraduate degree.

    Basically you're exhibit one in this discussion; a cautionary example of what can go wrong in academia. That's the topic, I'm afraid, and no amount of verbal acrobatics from you is going to change that.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    NI24 wrote: »
    Well, first of all, I got the term neoconservative from Wibbs.
    *Ears burning*.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It would help if you understood what an ad hominem is.
    All too often it's a term wheeled out when an argument is failing. A quieter version of accusing another of some "ism" or other. It also angles for victim status. Basically it's designed to shut down debate. Common in arguments, but extremely common from the left, The Offended and neohippies*








    *Open licence on that word if anyone wants to use it. TBH I'm surprised I used the word neocon.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    You claimed that Wibbs "frequently used neoliberal to describe his "opponents"" and you appropriated the term from him. A search of his posts reveals that he did not. It's pretty clear that what you've claimed is untrue.

    Well you didn't search hard enough. :rolleyes:
    Actually, I identified your educational background based upon your views as a demonstration of what is being discussed in this thread.

    Yeah, or the fact that I'm from the US. But give yourself a gold star for your brilliant detective work.
    That this indoctrination has become so blatant is exemplified by your posting style and views, otherwise I would not have been able to guess where you had received (or will receive) your undergraduate degree.

    Says you and your groupies.
    Basically you're exhibit one in this discussion; a cautionary example of what can go wrong in academia. That's the topic, I'm afraid, and no amount of verbal acrobatics from you is going to change that.

    And you're exhibit one of a neoconservative/SJW. And what can happen when said neoconservatives/SJWs go unquestioned inside an echo chamber/their own head. And no amount of straw man arguments or convoluted logic is going to change that.

    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    Lamest comeback ever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    NI24 wrote: »
    Well you didn't search hard enough. :rolleyes:



    Yeah, or the fact that I'm from the US. But give yourself a gold star for your brilliant detective work.



    Says you and your groupies.



    And you're exhibit one of a neoconservative/SJW. And what can happen when said neoconservatives/SJWs go unquestioned inside an echo chamber/their own head. And no amount of straw man arguments or convoluted logic is going to change that.




    Lamest comeback ever.

    It would only matter if I cared what you thought.

    But you are too amusing throwing your labels around at a constituency where it does not apply, using self centredly a set of values produced by another culture to diminish an other, the other.

    I'm surprised they did not teach you about ethno centricity in whatever your induction classes were. It is likely you are only two years or so out of a brainwashing institute, maybe you were out that day, or failed the quiz in ego/ethno centric attitudes and behaviour, often noted in neo conservatives military strategies, and now noted again in your posts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NI24 wrote: »
    Well you didn't search hard enough. :rolleyes:
    I did. Stop trying to waste my time looking for something that isn't there. You were telling porkies - it's pretty clear to everyone by now.
    Yeah, or the fact that I'm from the US. But give yourself a gold star for your brilliant detective work.
    I've no idea if you are or not from the US. All I can tell is that you've clearly drank the coolaid that is now prevalent in undergraduate courses in many US colleges and that we're discussing.
    Says you and your groupies.
    Of course, it must be be just because they're 'groupies'. God forbid it might be true.
    And you're exhibit one of a neoconservative/SJW. And what can happen when said neoconservatives/SJWs go unquestioned inside an echo chamber/their own head. And no amount of straw man arguments or convoluted logic is going to change that.
    What straw man arguments? You're just flinging crap at this stage in the hope some will stick and distract from the fact you've been pretty much exposed.

    And still with the 'neoconservative' - you're the only one here who uses that term in that way.

    It must be very disappointing to realize that you can be so easily identified as a stereotype. Still, thank you for presenting us with a live subject on the this thread's topic to study.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Wibbs wrote: »
    TBH I'm surprised I used the word neocon.
    You didn't. She's the only person who uses the term outside of PNAC or the former Bush administration, which I expect is a US college fashion that hasn't crossed the Atlantic yet. She tried to claim she's copying you, but a quick search for the term in your past posts will show you don't use it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    US colleges tend to be ultra liberal. The story looks something that's clickbait in this or that right leaning newspaper, maybe the Daily Fail, don't know.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    In fairness I have used neoliberal. Neoconservative no. Takes too many keystrokes. :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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