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Teaching IT in Junior / Senior Cert

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  • 07-05-2020 11:01am
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    TestLink
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    I have a Master degree in Computer Science + 10+ years work experience in Irish IT sector. I doesnt have a teaching degree or qualification.

    I would like to know what are the options available for me to teach IT in Junior / Senior cert level.

    Do I need Java or some other programming language skills?

    I have searched IrishJobs, PublicJobs etc for this, but havent found any for ICT Teacher role! Am I searching in the right place?


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    deiseindublin
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    New CS syllabus for LC uses mostly Python. Very few schools have taken up the subject yet though, and those that did for the most part have a qualified/interested teacher pushing it.

    I'd imagine you'd have to do the MA in Ed to start teaching, unless you were willing to teach under the unqualified rate, but that wouldn't be a good move long term.

    What about Further Ed either?


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    TestLink
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    deiseindublin wrote: »
    New CS syllabus for LC uses mostly Python. Very few schools have taken up the subject yet though, and those that did for the most part have a qualified/interested teacher pushing it.

    I'd imagine you'd have to do the MA in Ed to start teaching, unless you were willing to teach under the unqualified rate, but that wouldn't be a good move long term.

    What about Further Ed either?

    Thanks. I have a full-time job currently. Was just curious abt an ICT teaching role.


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    Saint_Mel
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    TestLink wrote: »
    Thanks. I have a full-time job currently. Was just curious abt an ICT teaching role.

    I had a similar thought at one time. Feedback I got from teachers I know is that a lot of schools that participated in the pilot got existing staff (often those who already taught EDCL) to teach the CS class. There was/is some up-skill course made available to existing teachers.

    I think NUIG were looking at launching a 4 year degree course designed to churn out CS teachers (or IT people with added teaching skills) but not sure if that has started


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    Postgrad10
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    There’s an ICT course specifically for teachers being ran in Letterkenny IT.

    You would definitely need a teaching qualification an an additional subject to get a teaching job at least at second level. The new computer science subject is only piloting at leaving cert, optional subject, and as the poster above said usually given to teachers already working in the school.


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    Postgrad10
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    Further Ed is probably your best bet. Keep an eye on the different ETB job websites for each area.


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    trihead
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    Hi
    Leaving Certificate Computer Science started in 40 schools two years ago. The first exam was/is going to be this summer.

    In September the subject is starting in 70 odd schools.

    There will be some CS hours ( not ICT hours)in schools coming up in the future but you would need a second subject ( judging on the job postings I have seen so far).

    Registering under FE is an option and then doing teaching qualification for Post primary part-time might be an option.It all depends on your degree.

    Subject spec - https://ncca.ie/en/resources/computer-science-curriculum-specification

    Python and JavaScript - two languages

    Educationposts.ie - jobs


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    wingnut
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    TestLink wrote: »

    I have searched IrishJobs, PublicJobs etc for this, but havent found any for ICT Teacher role! Am I searching in the right place?

    For second level:

    1.You will need a teaching qualification.
    2. You will need to register with the teaching council.
    3. Best bet for jobs are on educationposts.ie or ETBs who patronise multiple schools have their own vacancies pages.

    There is a short course in coding, CS at leaving cert and LCA ICT specialisation.

    To be honest a job teaching CS alone is rare as a hens tooth as it is niche. Depending on your course you could see if you could take extra credit for Maths or something.

    Schools advertise a roll they must employ someone qualified. However when you are in a school you can be put teaching whatever so most ICT/CS teachers will usually be Maths/Technology/Business teachers with an interest in the area.


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    spurious
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    "Computer" teachers (or even just someone unlucky enough to know their way around a PC) also tend to end up as an unpaid technician. A thankless job.


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    salonfire
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    spurious wrote: »
    "Computer" teachers (or even just someone unlucky enough to know their way around a PC) also tend to end up as an unpaid technician. A thankless job.

    Which can also be paid extra as a AP post.


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    r93kaey5p2izun
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    salonfire wrote: »
    Which can also be paid extra as a AP post.

    Only if the person with IT skills is successful in getting the post on other grounds. The post cannot be advertised specifically as IT related. AP posts advertisements must be general, open to everyone and not tailored to specific people regardless of need in the school. Yes, an IT expert could be given IT duties as part of their AP post duties, but first they would have to beat other candidates on criteria unrelated to IT.


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    salonfire
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    Jolie Tall Watermelon wrote: »
    Only if the person with IT skills is successful in getting the post on other grounds. The post cannot be advertised specifically as IT related. AP posts advertisements must be general, open to everyone and not tailored to specific people regardless of need in the school. Yes, an IT expert could be given IT duties as part of their AP post duties, but first they would have to beat other candidates on criteria unrelated to IT.

    So the post I replied to is not quite the whole picture then, was it?


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    r93kaey5p2izun
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    salonfire wrote: »
    So the post I replied to is not quite the whole picture then, was it?

    It's accurate. Your post is misleading.


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