Neighbour Falling Out / Hedging

maestroamado · 28-06-2020 11:46am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why would you congratulate someone for attacking a TD?

Because he said he do something and did not fulfill what he said he would.
He is no longer a TD thankfully, it was verbal challenge to what he had said he would try to keep for his people, it was a funny incident.

Hannibal36 · 28-06-2020 11:55am

omeara1113 wrote: »

We lived beside a neighbour from hell years ago we got on great for about 10 years dont know what happened but it was like a switch was pressed
We endured 3 years of total torture and went to a solicitor and his words to us was
"Your as well off moving in my experience an old witch like that lives forever "
That was in 2002 the last 18years have been bliss I'm speaking from experience so I wish the OP the best with whatever decision they make

These people like off fear and weakness,once they smell fear or weakness off you they won't stop.I suppose if you can't stand up to them you are better off moving but my advice to the op is to find their inner anger and let them feel it and know you won't be walked on or it will continue and go from one thing to another.

This has damn all to do with the issue of trees,its about bullying.Normal people can sort these issues with civilised conversations,it is people bullying their neighbours and dropping their life problems on them because they think they can,and they will,because they see weakness.That is the plain and simple truth.

Nekarsulm · 28-06-2020 1:14pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

i'd presume he meant facing the block wall on both sides with stone.

The price is realistic when you consider materials and labour for foundations, block wall and stone wall x 2.

I don't know where you got your figure of 99.9% from but it is way off even if you've never seen a garden wall outside of a housing estate.

If I was building a wall, I wouldn't be facing the neighbours side with cut stone!
They could plant a hedge of their own if they wanted.
You need to get a few more quotes if your builder came back with a price of €1000 a metre.

Rows Grower · 28-06-2020 1:39pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

If I was building a wall, I wouldn't be facing the neighbours side with cut stone!
They could plant a hedge of their own if they wanted.
You need to get a few more quotes if your builder came back with a price of €1000 a metre.

But you're not, so it's irrelevant.

Also when you say 1,000 a meter you're forgetting to mention it's a linear meter x 2 meter's high on both sides which is actually 4 square meters of stone per linear meter, plus you have a block wall in the middle and a foundation capable of holding it all to consider as well. That's a lot of materials needed as well as a lot of skilled labour.

I don't need one either so I don't need any quotes, but if I did want one I'd be doing it myself.

Lumen · 28-06-2020 2:33pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who would think that is acceptable?

The planning authorities. I'm not proposing it, I'm just giving an example of the cost I was quoted for a wall on my own property.

I'm not going to get into the details of lime mortared stone wall construction, but you're right that it is expensive, that's why most walls are block built and look terrible, regardless of how they're finished. Like most of South Dublin.

A hedge or fence forms the most cost effective boundary that actually looks good. Most people who build walls have zero sense of aesthetics.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 28-06-2020 3:13pm

is this in a council controlled area / on a street front ?
legally you are allowed a height of 120 cm or 4 foot front boundary in such areas from what i have experienced .

and 2 meters at at the rear

mrslancaster · 28-06-2020 3:16pm

Lumen wrote: »

But 2m is perfectly allowed along any boundary except along a path or road. There's nothing special about the front or back.

always confused about this. Citizens Advice says 1.2m height walls or 2m at the side or rear.

Does that mean 2m for walls right along the side boundary of a front garden or 2m at the rear and just the bit of the side that is between the houses?

lots of our neighbours have high hedges in front, imo they look better than a 2m wall :eek:

DrGreenThumb82 · 28-06-2020 5:44pm

Take out the hedge immediately.

Replace with Leylandii.

That'll shut them up. You'll also never see them or their house again.

Shefwedfan · 28-06-2020 6:20pm

DrGreenThumb82 wrote: »

Take out the hedge immediately.

Replace with Leylandii.

That'll shut them up. You'll also never see them or their house again.

Hate leylandii

Lumen · 28-06-2020 6:27pm

mrslancaster wrote: »

always confused about this. Citizens Advice says 1.2m height walls or 2m at the side or rear.

Does that mean 2m for walls right along the side boundary of a front garden or 2m at the rear and just the bit of the side that is between the houses?

lots of our neighbours have high hedges in front, imo they look better than a 2m wall :eek:

Aha I'm wrong!

"The height of any such structure shall not exceed 2 metres or, in the case of a wall or fence within or bounding any garden or other space in front of a house, 1.2 metres"

I read a different interpretation earlier but that is the actual legislation.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/si/600/made/en/print#part2

Rubberchikken · 28-06-2020 6:38pm

Had they any issue with the hedge before they felt you had reported them?

Why would they think you, in particular, had?

Maybe another neighbour?

Personally I wouldn't have any issue with 2m high hedge. Plus I don't think anyone has a 'right' to light.
If it's left continue it will only get worse.
If there's a chance to stop the disagreement sooner rather than later then do try.

Razorfish · 28-06-2020 7:20pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Had they any issue with the hedge before they felt you had reported them?

Why would they think you, in particular, had?

Maybe another neighbour?

Personally I wouldn't have any issue with 2m high hedge. Plus I don't think anyone has a 'right' to light.
If it's left continue it will only get worse.
If there's a chance to stop the disagreement sooner rather than later then do try.

Appreciate all the responses.

My wife and I discussed it today and are going to employee a professional to assist in discussing lowering the height of the hedge. We will book and pay and drop a note into them asking if they could take part. Hopefully we can reach a compromise height that they are happy with and then ask the professional to cut it. We would discuss it with them in person but after being shouted at at their door on Friday, I couldn’t put myself through that again.

They had expressed when the moved in 7 years ago their preference for walls but we do like the hedge and didn’t want walls. We like a greenery in the garden. The hedge is a boundary hedge in the front installed by the builder 20 years ago.

We don’t know who reported them to the Gardai but we’re terribly upset at the anger and hate expressed towards us at their door. We have verbally said to them it wasn’t us twice since Friday so I really don’t know what more we can do.

I’d like if it was resolved to a point of being civil. Perhaps asking them to a discussion with a professional on reducing the size will be a step in the right direction.

Hannibal36 · 28-06-2020 7:52pm

Razorfish wrote: »

Appreciate all the responses.

My wife and I discussed it today and are going to employee a professional to assist in discussing lowering the height of the hedge. We will book and pay and drop a note into them asking if they could take part. Hopefully we can reach a compromise height that they are happy with and then ask the professional to cut it. We would discuss it with them in person but after being shouted at at their door on Friday, I couldn’t put myself through that again.

They had expressed when the moved in 7 years ago their preference for walls but we do like the hedge and didn’t want walls. We like a greenery in the garden. The hedge is a boundary hedge in the front installed by the builder 20 years ago.

We don’t know who reported them to the Gardai but we’re terribly upset at the anger and hate expressed towards us at their door. We have verbally said to them it wasn’t us twice since Friday so I really don’t know what more we can do.

I’d like if it was resolved to a point of being civil. Perhaps asking them to a discussion with a professional on reducing the size will be a step in the right direction.

Just be careful is my opinion and i know it sounds kinda grim but honestly it's so very true in my experience that people like this just see appeasement as weakness,they see everything in these terms its how they see life.Read a previous poster about how once neighbours start this it goes from one thing to another.

That is why i said just putting the foot down often is the only way,the fact that you posted it means its annoying you,they know that.Its like they feed off that energy and things might settle down for a while but something else will go wrong in their life and it will be something else.Its an attack on you,and you need to find some anger somewhere things like this can seep into your childrens lives if you have any don't accept it.

DrGreenThumb82 · 28-06-2020 10:43pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Hate leylandii

It was a joke

looksee · 28-06-2020 11:55pm

I think that's a good idea OP, get them involved, with a third party there. Hopefully you can find someone suitable.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 29-06-2020 12:24am

i would talk to them and say
' we are lowering the hedge to 4 feet , then you might be able to see the person that actually reported you to the guards '

and let them stew

Mango Joe · 01-07-2020 9:59am

Attack is the best form of defense.

Rather than apologise for wrongly accusing you of calling the Gardai on their unknown dodgy activities these Morons thought it was best to take a critical horticultural approach and begin to critique your planting and pruning choices.

You won't reason with small-minded toxic people at this level of the evolutionary spectrum.... Best to take a firm approach and make it clear they can't walk all over you, otherwise they'll surely try.

Make sure your hedge is at a height that meets all legal restrictions etc. so they've no moral high ground over you.

PS There's some guideline out there that if your neighbours hedge/trees overhang your garden you're entitled to cut them and the clippings are to be left with the owner to dispose of, so they might have been following this advice originally - albeit I'm sure they were trying to make a point at the same time.

PPS They prefer concrete walls and mass-concreting things.....Lovely.....Lovely people, lovely plans.

thebiggestjim · 01-07-2020 10:50am

The hedge is not the problem here OP. Someone reported them to the Gardai, they think it is you, and they are taking their anger out by creating a hedge issue.

Don't do anything with the hedge. Reassure them together and separately that you had nothing to do with calling the Gardai. e.g "Let's be reasonable here, we have no issue with you ....". Deflect any hedge modification talk and bring it back to the Gardai point anytime they bring it up. The hedge thing will pass.

mrslancaster · 01-07-2020 5:37pm

Mango Joe wrote: »

...PS There's some guideline out there that if your neighbours hedge/trees overhang your garden you're entitled to cut them and the clippings are to be left with the owner to dispose of, so they might have been following this advice originally - albeit I'm sure they were trying to make a point at the same time..

Not sure this is absolutely right from a thread I read on here last year I think.
AFAIR, neighbours have the right to cut back anything that overhangs onto their side but they do not have the right to dump them back on the owner to dispose of - they can only offer the clippings back to the owner who doesn't have to take them

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IME most neighbours are happy to keep their hedges trimmed on both sides, they just get permission to enter the neighbours garden to trim their side.

Not much help for the OP's issue.

GreeBo · 01-07-2020 7:21pm

Mango Joe wrote: »

PS There's some guideline out there that if your neighbours hedge/trees overhang your garden you're entitled to cut them and the clippings are to be left with the owner to dispose of, so they might have been following this advice originally - albeit I'm sure they were trying to make a point at the same time.
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Its not the OPs hedge.

Hocus Focus · 09-07-2020 2:46pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Hate leylandii

So will they!

Hocus Focus · 09-07-2020 2:52pm

mrslancaster wrote: »

Not sure this is absolutely right from a thread I read on here last year I think.
AFAIR, neighbours have the right to cut back anything that overhangs onto their side but they do not have the right to dump them back on the owner to dispose of - they can only offer the clippings back to the owner who doesn't have to take them .
IME most neighbours are happy to keep their hedges trimmed on both sides, they just get permission to enter the neighbours garden to trim their side.

Not much help for the OP's issue.

Bear in mind that the builder planted the hedge on the common boundary so technically it is equally the property and responsibility of both parties. The neighbour should be disposing of the clippings from their side themselves, but has an equal say in what height the hedge should be.

11-07-2020 10:55am

i had a mad similar situation this week with a neighbour with my back hedge which incidentally is planted on the neighbours side although i think was possibly planted by the builder first day. I cut the hedge on my side, and then levelled the top, thought was doing the neighbour a favour by levelling the complete top. Needless to say, i heard the neighbour coming home on the phone and basically saying the neighbour cut the hedge and left loads in my garden saying it was awful, then talked to the neighbour the opposite side who proceeded to advise that they need to talk to someone over this, basically a solicitor. I was thinking if i only cut half the top it would look petty, but after this it will only ever be half. hedge is like 8-9 foot tall so it was hard enough to cut it and then the neighbour moaning that clippings fell into their side was a bit much.

I'll know now for future cutting

Lumen · 11-07-2020 12:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

i heard the neighbour coming home on the phone and basically saying the neighbour cut the hedge and left loads in my garden saying it was awful, then talked to the neighbour the opposite side who proceeded to advise that they need to talk to someone over this, basically a solicitor

People are monsters.

11-07-2020 1:51pm

Lumen wrote: »

People are monsters.

Totally agree.

It would look ridiculous and petty on my behalf if i only topped my side of the hedge, i'll know better the next and only top my half, no matter how ridiculous it will look

standardg60 · 11-07-2020 9:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Totally agree.

It would look ridiculous and petty on my behalf if i only topped my side of the hedge, i'll know better the next and only top my half, no matter how ridiculous it will look

No good deed goes unpunished.
People are generally becoming more and more ignorant.

beggars_bush · 12-07-2020 5:53pm

If your hedging grows through to their property isn't it your responsibility to cut it back?

13-07-2020 10:18am

beggars_bush wrote: »

If your hedging grows through to their property isn't it your responsibility to cut it back?

dont think so, not sure really as you hear lots of versions. Either way the hedge i am talking about is on the neighbours side of the fence. I have no problem cutting it and topping, some neighbours are just impossible and are so consumed with themselves they dont realise someone else topping a hedge is saving them the hassle of topping an 8 foot hedge

standardg60 · 13-07-2020 8:26pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

If your hedging grows through to their property isn't it your responsibility to cut it back?

The letter of the law is that if it encroaches on a neighbour's property then the neighbour has the right to cut it back to the boundary and return the cuttings to the hedge owner.
There is no onus on the owner to maintain both sides. Back in the day when neighbours were proper neighbours they would usually maintain each side themselves (the non hedge owner was gaining the benefit of the privacy, aestheticy, and security it afforded them and were happy to do it.
Nowadays they want to have everything and do or pay for nothing.
I've pointed this out a couple of times whilst working and actually most come round to my point of view and are less aggravating.
A boundary hedge planted by a builder is a different scenario, neither party owns it and each is technically responsible for whatever part grows on their side.

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