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General Premier League Thread 2019-20 #Mod Notes First post [Updated 24/07/20]

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  • #52
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,194 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Mick McGraw wrote: »
    It’s fine as a temporary measure till the end of the season but if it’s introduced for good (and I have a bad feeling it will be) then it will be a very poor move for the game as it will massively favour the bigger clubs and allow them to stockpile more talent as they will have more playing time available for bit part players so it decreases the likelihood of those sorts of players moving to get more playing time.


    The rule is a temp rule in place until Dec 31st or the end of the current season. Which ever happens first. It's about the fitness of players who haven't played in 3 months going straight into the season at the hottest time of the year when they're usually on holidays or in preseason, not about giving the big clubs a boost.

    As things stand the smaller teams already don't have the squads to deal with a game every 3/4 days for 6 weeks. Having the extra subs will help to avoid fatigue and injury.


  • #53
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Mick McGraw wrote: »
    It’s fine as a temporary measure till the end of the season but if it’s introduced for good (and I have a bad feeling it will be) then it will be a very poor move for the game as it will massively favour the bigger clubs and allow them to stockpile more talent as they will have more playing time available for bit part players so it decreases the likelihood of those sorts of players moving to get more playing time.

    Yeah I would not be a fan myself of this coming in long term either. Short term yes, but long term no.

    There is a rule for a 4th sub for games that go to Extra Time and I happy enough with that as it is.


  • #54
    Daniel Sour Thankfulness
    Posts: 0 ✭ Daniel Sour Thankfulness


    Makes sense

    I expect a fair few injuries in the first couple of games. More so from cramp ect

    Actually posted this originally in wrong thread in error

    Relates to the subs rule


  • #55
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don't think there's been any increase in injuries in the bundesliga. Did they change to 5 subs too, I haven't been paying attention.


    As for the big club thing. Let's be honest, there are no "small clubs" in the pl. Everyone has a squad full of internationals and are paying their players 50 grand a week and upwards.


  • #56
    bangkok
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    5 subs will suit the big teams that have better squads


  • #57
    bangkok
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Don't think there's been any increase in injuries in the bundesliga. Did they change to 5 subs too, I haven't been paying attention.


    As for the big club thing. Let's be honest, there are no "small clubs" in the pl. Everyone has a squad full of internationals and are paying their players 50 grand a week and upwards.

    that is not true at all, at villa for example i dont even think there is one player in the squad that earns over 50k a week. i would suspect the same at a lot of the clubs in lower half of premier league


  • #58
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,269 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Don't think there's been any increase in injuries in the bundesliga. Did they change to 5 subs too, I haven't been paying attention.


    As for the big club thing. Let's be honest, there are no "small clubs" in the pl. Everyone has a squad full of internationals and are paying their players 50 grand a week and upwards.

    There was an increase in muscle related injuries in the 1st few games in the start up games of the bundesliga and are also using 5 subs

    ******



  • #59
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    bangkok wrote: »
    that is not true at all, at villa for example i dont even think there is one player in the squad that earns over 50k a week. i would suspect the same at a lot of the clubs in lower half of premier league

    Goal reckon Grealish is on 100k a week.

    https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/jack-grealish-net-worth-contract-salary-sponsorships/8zcbgigd2fsu180fm3qojkmsy#:~:text=The%20midfielder%20had%20previously%20doubled,(%246.5m)%20a%20year.

    I think youre underestimating what players at the bottom end of the table are on.


    Cant see Troy Deeney being on less than 50k .


    citytillidie wrote: »
    There was an increase in muscle related injuries in the 1st few games in the start up games of the bundesliga and are also using 5 subs

    Fair enough . All the stuff I've seen has been about no drop intensity or stats.


  • #60
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Initial fixtures

    515291.jpg


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  • #61
    Daniel Sour Thankfulness
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    May get a crate of beer for that weekend

    Some great games there


  • #62
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    That would be a good Friday night in pub after work :(


  • #63
    ShamoBuc
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    Great to see that lineup - pity one or two from either Saturday or Sundays weren't on the Thursday, would have been nice.
    Games are going to come thick and fast and it will be interesting to see how they look without the crowds.


  • #64
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,269 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    So Brighton V Arsenal making history as the first Saturday 3pm game live on UK tv.

    ******



  • #65
    martyos121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,493 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    That schedule looks great, it’s like a World Cup but with a much higher standard of football. :)


  • #66
    Bobeagleburger
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    The fixture list is a thing of beauty. Bring it on!


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  • #67
    bangkok
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Goal reckon Grealish is on 100k a week.

    https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/jack-grealish-net-worth-contract-salary-sponsorships/8zcbgigd2fsu180fm3qojkmsy#:~:text=The%20midfielder%20had%20previously%20doubled,(%246.5m)%20a%20year.

    I think youre underestimating what players at the bottom end of the table are on.


    Cant see Troy Deeney being on less than 50k .


    deeney is club captain so is probably on a bit more.

    im just saying that not all squads are on salarys of over 50 k a week


  • #68
    bangkok
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    chelsea have signed Werner, 200k a week 49.4m


  • #69
    Agent Coulson
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    Patrick Van Aanholt vs Katie Hopkins on Twitter tonight was a great read.


  • #70
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Great Big Lockdown Football Survey results.

    80% of Manchester City, 60% of Manchester United, and 63% Chelsea supporters felt it the season should not restart.

    Strange results with Utd and City still in with great chances to win 2 trophies and Utd cement top 4.

    Hatred of Liverpool more powerful than supporting their own team? Fan culture has completely changed over the years. Now it is all about stopping other teams enjoying success even if it adversely affects their club.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/great-big-lockdown-football-survey-22129226


  • #71
    ricero
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    Love hearing news like that. Explains a few peoples posting habits during the lockdown.


    It also will make it all extra sweat in a few weeks time.


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  • #72
    Daniel Sour Thankfulness
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    Some amount of whataboutery, the daily star too :D

    Here's the results for further speculation

    'Whose fans are most in favour of football returning?
    Liverpool - 90 per cent

    Leeds - 76 per cent

    Wolves - 72 per cent

    Crystal Palace - 69 per cent

    West Brom 69 - per cent

    Whose fans are most opposed to football returning?
    Manchester City - 80 per cent

    Everton - 76 per cent

    Hull City - 72 per cent

    West Ham - 65 per cent

    Chelsea - 63 per cent

    What should happen if the season is curtailed?
    Null and void - 38 per cent

    Decide final placing on points per game - 36 per cent

    Base final positions on standings as they are - 26 per cent'


  • #73
    Collie D
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    Is an official fixture list expected any time soon?


  • #74
    Daniel Sour Thankfulness
    Posts: 0 ✭ Daniel Sour Thankfulness


    Collie D wrote: »
    Is an official fixture list expected any time soon?

    Confirmation is planned for later today I think
    A list was already posted here but not sure if it's confirmed

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-fixture-list-season-dates-kick-off-times-latest-a9546486.html#gsc.tab=0


  • #75
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Confirmation is planned for later today I think
    A list was already posted here but not sure if it's confirmed

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-fixture-list-season-dates-kick-off-times-latest-a9546486.html#gsc.tab=0

    Thanks. Yeah, I saw the list and it's probably spot on but just waiting for an official one before I relaunch LMS - much more important than titles and relegation :) I'm sure some bollocks thinks I've done a runner with the money


  • #76
    Trigger
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    Mod hat on: By all means discuss the results of the survey, but do not use it as a means to have a pop at opposition posters/fans



    Hat off: There are plenty of surveys being done by various different media outlets with different results, this one is just The Daily Star readers. 15000 people took part. It doesnt state how many fans off each club took part, which could skew the figures a bit.

    It also doesnt say when it was taken, was it at the start? When everything was a clusterfùck and no-one was absolutely certain what was going to happen. It was also always going to be skewed towards the teams that more to gain from returning.


  • #77
    Rock77
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Great Big Lockdown Football Survey results.

    80% of Manchester City, 60% of Manchester United, and 63% Chelsea supporters felt it the season should not restart.

    Strange results with Utd and City still in with great chances to win 2 trophies and Utd cement top 4.

    Hatred of Liverpool more powerful than supporting their own team? Fan culture has completely changed over the years. Now it is all about stopping other teams enjoying success even if it adversely affects their club.

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/great-big-lockdown-football-survey-22129226

    Yep a lot of football fans are quite immature as we all know..

    To be fair it has a lot to do with where their team is in the league. I distinctly remember the term ‘ABU‘ that was because Utd were winning the title year after year and people were sick of it.

    For a lot of Liverpool supporters it was a great season if they finished 6th but managed to sneak a 1-0 win against Utd.

    A good season for Utd now is finishing 4th and beating Liverpool or City

    Liverpool have dominated the league completely this year and some fans are just not mature enough to say well done.


  • #78
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,736 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Take the survey now and almost everyone would want it back.


  • #79
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    6 wrote: »
    Take the survey now and almost everyone would want it back.

    The Man City figure is interesting. 80% not wanting a restart. I would have thought the prospect of winning the CL would be so exciting to them?


  • #80
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    The Man City figure is interesting. 80% not wanting a restart. I would have thought the prospect of winning the CL would be so exciting to them?

    They hate UEFA and for some reason the CL isn't a priority for their fans. It's a weird mindset to have.


  • #81
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Yep a lot of football fans are quite immature as we all know..

    To be fair it has a lot to do with where their team is in the league. I distinctly remember the term ‘ABU‘ that was because Utd were winning the title year after year and people were sick of it.

    For a lot of Liverpool supporters it was a great season if they finished 6th but managed to sneak a 1-0 win against Utd.

    A good season for Utd now is finishing 4th and beating Liverpool or City

    Liverpool have dominated the league completely this year and some fans are just not mature enough to say well done.

    I take what you are trying to get to in terms of some fans are naturally only interested in their own club but I am not sure that it relates to maturity, it would be for a range of reasons.

    I also think many United fans will disagree with the category of what you say is a great season and that many Liverpool fans will tell you they were never happy to be sixth.

    In terms of a survey, they tend to be a 'click here' and require no huge thought or any level of rational to be applied. We have no idea what context any person took the survey, how it was presented, they could have treated it as a serious issue or a bit of a joke. For me I can't see much value in such a survey.


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  • #82
    Drumpot
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    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    The Man City figure is interesting. 80% not wanting a restart. I would have thought the prospect of winning the CL would be so exciting to them?

    Maybe they are not overly excited because they probably couldn’t defend it if they won it!


  • #83
    bangkok
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    apart from the club itself and obviously the players, man city fans have no real warmth towards the champions league. i remember Noel Gallagher once saying that some of the fans used to prefer when they played at Maine road and would lose games so they could go to the boozer after just to give out :)


  • #84
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    DM_7 wrote: »
    I take what you are trying to get to in terms of some fans are naturally only interested in their own club but I am not sure that it relates to maturity, it would be for a range of reasons.

    I also think many United fans will disagree with the category of what you say is a great season and that many Liverpool fans will tell you they were never happy to be sixth.

    In terms of a survey, they tend to be a 'click here' and require no huge thought or any level of rational to be applied. We have no idea what context any person took the survey, how it was presented, they could have treated it as a serious issue or a bit of a joke. For me I can't see much value in such a survey.

    Of course not all fans are immature but there is certainly a large number of fans that are.. just look at boards as an example! What possible reason could a Utd fan want the season to be scrapped?

    And I didn’t say 4th would be a great season for Utd.. I said good.. that’s our level at the moment unfortunately.


  • #85
    fyfe79
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    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    They hate UEFA and for some reason the CL isn't a priority for their fans. It's a weird mindset to have.

    I've seen them refer to it as the Glamour Cup a few times - the only fanbase I know of which downplays the CL. That might change if they win it this year though, of course!


  • #86
    LuckyLloyd
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    The survey tallies with the feel of the forum in late March / early April to be fair.

    Doesn't matter now. With the women's league decided on points per game, Liverpool will be champions no matter what happens from here. Would City fans prefer it coming with an asterix? Probably.


  • #87
    doc_17
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    The survey tallies with the feel of the forum in late March / early April to be fair.

    Doesn't matter now. With the women's league decided on points per game, Liverpool will be champions no matter what happens from here. Would City fans prefer it coming with an asterix? Probably.

    It’ll come with a big trophy, which will be just fine!


  • #88
    Shanotheslayer
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    Not really sure where to post this but found this insane:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52940661

    ''Mutual Consent'' I'm sure.

    As much as I disagree with her opinion on whatever she posted, I don't think a footballers wifes views should have any impact on his career.


  • #89
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    She dropped him in it big time, stupid count


  • #90
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,061 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Not really sure where to post this but found this insane:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52940661

    ''Mutual Consent'' I'm sure.

    As much as I disagree with her opinion on whatever she posted, I don't think a footballers wifes views should have any impact on his career.

    Divorce incoming! :pac:

    It does happen though, I saw a lot of stick online during the week online for Curtis Jones, because of something his sister did in a park. It's nothing got to do with the players, so it's unfair on them to be chastised for something a member of their family did.

    As an on topic conversation, how are Everton fairing out on return? Fancy an upset in the Derby in the first game back?


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  • #91
    Shanotheslayer
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    FitzShane wrote: »

    As an on topic conversation, how are Everton fairing out on return? Fancy an upset in the Derby in the first game back?

    I like to think our consistency of being sh1t will continue. I don't think my brian could process looking forward to an Everton game.

    Unless the lads got super powers from Corona Virus I can't see any sort of upset :pac:

    Best case scenario I would say 1-1


  • #92
    Fitz*
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    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    I like to think our consistency of being sh1t will continue. I don't think my brian could process looking forward to an Everton game.

    Unless the lads got super powers from Corona Virus I can't see any sort of upset :pac:

    Best case scenario I would say 1-1

    It's hard to know how teams will start because of the break and also their mentality. Burnley, Palace, Everton, Newcastle & Southampton are all midtable and probably won't get European football through league position Apr get relegated so is there a real desire to win games now. Although Everton have a new manager to impress to keep their place at the club and Newcastle too have new owners & the threat of being sold on hanging over their heads.

    I think overall, teams that are more possession based should have an advantage with the games being played behind closed doors.


  • #93
    Cantona's Collars
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    Sky are offering different audio streams for games, the standard one without the crowd or you can even choose crowd noises.


  • #94
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Cantona's Collars wrote: »
    Sky are offering different audio streams for games, the standard one without the crowd or you can even choose crowd noises.

    Really? How does this work?


  • #95
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Really? How does this work?

    I think they are using the red button options.


  • #96
    Speak Now
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    All good in latest round of testing.


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  • #97
    Agent Coulson
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    City and CAS go head to head tomorrow that should lead to some interesting reading next few weeks.


  • #98
    All_in_Flynn
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    Anyone know if there is a live feed or even live twitter updates of the case?


  • #99
    Drumpot
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    I fully expect City to make a mockery of FFP rules over the coming days and have their ban overturned. Really is pathetic, what’s the point in the rules if clubs can just lawyer up and get it over turned.

    While it’s amusing watching city fans try to make out that they are victims of some conspiracy against them, they are right about uefa and indeed FIFA being run by a bunch of muppets.

    Meanwhile , the EPL May have another Questionable Middle Eastern owner. That league is like Lord Voldemort , splitting its soul into multiple pieces to stay alive.....


  • #100
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I fully expect City to make a mockery of FFP rules over the coming days and have their ban overturned. Really is pathetic, what’s the point in the rules if clubs can just lawyer up and get it over turned.

    While it’s amusing watching city fans try to make out that they are victims of some conspiracy against them, they are right about uefa and indeed FIFA being run by a bunch of muppets.

    Meanwhile , the EPL May have another Questionable Middle Eastern owner. That league is like Lord Voldemort , splitting its soul into multiple pieces to stay alive.....

    Miguel Delaney has stated that UEFA have sent their 'A' legal team for this one and are quite bullish on this case. Be interesting anyway. I have no respect for clubs like City or PSG. Will be disgusted to see Newcastle go that way too.


  • #101
    Trigger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,557 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Has the Newcaste takeover been ratified yet? Wouldnt be surprised so see Mike Ashley pull out at the last moment


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