The Joy

Jim Bob Scratcher · 16-11-2015 5:24am #1

Has anyone been following the documentary series on tv3 about Mountjoy ? I just watched it their last night and boy do those lads have it sorted, TV's in the cell, mince pies for dinner, nude photo's of women on the wall and access to a gym area to pump the guns.

jjbrien · 16-11-2015 6:11am

Still they might have TV's in thier cells, mince pies for dinner and a gym but they have still lost their freedom. They spend 16 hours a day in the cells. Without TV's in the cells the officers jobs are a lot harder and prisoners would be difficult to manage. Irish prisons are still though have you ever seen those Norwegian prisons? http://www.vice.com/video/norwegian-prisons Makes our prisons look rather harsh

Billy86 · 16-11-2015 7:13am

jjbrien wrote: »

Still they might have TV's in thier cells, mince pies for dinner and a gym but they have still lost their freedom. They spend 16 hours a day in the cells. Without TV's in the cells the officers jobs are a lot harder and prisoners would be difficult to manage. Irish prisons are still though have you ever seen those Norwegian prisons? http://www.vice.com/video/norwegian-prisons Makes our prisons look rather harsh

The reasoning behind the Norwegian system is to help reform their inmates for when they get released, rather than punishing them with their time inside. And to be fair, their recidivism rate is apparently less than 1/3rd that of the USA's, which has among the harshest prisons in the Western/developed world.

16-11-2015 7:34am

Nude pics and mince pies?

We differ in our idea of what constitutes the good life.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 8:31am

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Has anyone been following the documentary series on tv3 about Mountjoy ? I just watched it their last night and boy do those lads have it sorted, TV's in the cell, mince pies for dinner, nude photo's of women on the wall and access to a gym area to pump the guns.

Off ya go then.

jjbrien · 16-11-2015 8:36am

Billy86 wrote: »

The reasoning behind the Norwegian system is to help reform their inmates for when they get released, rather than punishing them with their time inside. And to be fair, their recidivism rate is apparently less than 1/3rd that of the USA's, which has among the harshest prisons in the Western/developed world.

Which is what we should be doing. The Joy has come on leaps and bounds in the past few years no more slopping out more education. I feel the OP decided to make this thread as a cheap swipe at prisoners to go look they are getting VIP treatment. Norway seems to be doing it right yes they have lost their freedom but shouldnt loose their dignity, they are still human beings who most of them have made a mistake or gotten involved in the wrong crowd.

Its no cake walk for those who have been locked up in the Joy or any other prison. The inmates have to keep their guard up at all times a violent outburst can happen at any time for things you and I would consider silly. I think one of boardsters is a prison officer in the Joy I hope he gets to see this tread and he can inform us and the OP more.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 8:54am

jjbrien wrote: »

Still they might have TV's in thier cells, mince pies for dinner and a gym but they have still lost their freedom. They spend 16 hours a day in the cells. Without TV's in the cells the officers jobs are a lot harder and prisoners would be difficult to manage. Irish prisons are still though have you ever seen those Norwegian prisons? http://www.vice.com/video/norwegian-prisons Makes our prisons look rather harsh

Harsh? Tell that to the people sleeping rough.

corner of hells · 16-11-2015 9:00am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Harsh? Tell that to the people sleeping rough.

Ok , I will .

I work with homeless people a sizeable group of them have served sentences.I even occasionally collect them after their sentences.

I wonder what these lads will say.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 9:02am

corner of hells wrote: »

Ok , I will .

I work with homeless people a sizeable group of them have served sentences.I even occasionally collect them after their sentences.

I wonder what these lads will say.

Come back and tell us.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 9:05am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Come back and tell us.

Oh good.

A serial.

corner of hells · 16-11-2015 9:19am

kneemos wrote: »

Oh good.

A serial.

There's no serial , just bread and water.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 9:20am

corner of hells wrote: »

There's no serial , just bread and water.

And mince pies.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 9:26am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

And mince pies.

Mince pies in November...Ugh!

Billy86 · 16-11-2015 9:30am

kneemos wrote: »

Mince pies in November...Ugh!

People up to that carry on should be sent to... oh wait, never mind.

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 9:37am

I think anyone who complains about something being too cushy should be made try it. If you think prison is the life of riley, go on ahead and do something to put yourself in there. If you think dole recipents have an easy life, go quit your job. If you complain about some sport being so easy that you judge those doing it, go try it! It would put an end to a lot of unnecessary resentment...

boobar · 16-11-2015 9:40am

kneemos wrote: »

Mince pies in November...Ugh!

Starts earlier and earlier every year

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 9:52am

I hate this 'off you go' attitude that threads like this inevitably attract.

Most people have the morals to not commit offences that result in prison time. Doesn't mean that can't have an opinion on how harsh or easy life in prison is. Or are prisoners / ex prisoners the only ones allowed comment?

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 9:53am

boobar wrote: »

Starts earlier and earlier every year

I'm eating a Christmas 2016 mince pie as I type this.

Billy86 · 16-11-2015 9:54am

boobar wrote: »

Starts earlier and earlier every year

When I was working in Tesco during my teens 10-odd years ago, I saw some on the shelves in late August! :eek:

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 9:55am

sonny.knowles wrote:

I hate this 'off you go' attitude that threads like this inevitably attract.

Generally comes up when people who have no knowledge of the subject decide that their opinion is correct, despite having, well... no knowledge of the subject.

Turtyturd · 16-11-2015 9:57am

sup_dude wrote: »

Generally comes up when people who have no knowledge of the subject decide that their opinion is correct, despite having, well... no knowledge of the subject.

Give them a bit of credit, they get their 'facts' from the Herald/Sunday World.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 9:58am

sup_dude wrote: »

Generally comes up when people who have no knowledge of the subject decide that their opinion is correct, despite having, well... no knowledge of the subject.

What is your personal knowledge of the subject?

corner of hells · 16-11-2015 9:59am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

I hate this 'off you go' attitude that threads like this inevitably attract.

Most people have the morals to not commit offences that result in prison time. Doesn't mean that can't have an opinion on how harsh or easy life in prison is. Or are prisoners / ex prisoners the only ones allowed comment?

I doubt anyone really objects to your posting and your opinion, you did try make a comparison between rough sleeping and a prison sentence opening up a very broad debate topic.

From what I see both existences are harsh.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:00am

Turtyturd wrote: »

Give them a bit of credit, they get their 'facts' from the Herald/Sunday World.

As opposed to some left wing muck like the Irish Times I suppose. What personal experience of the subject do you have?

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 10:01am

sonny.knowles wrote:

What is your personal knowledge of the subject?

That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one...

smash · 16-11-2015 10:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Nude pics and mince pies?

We differ in our idea of what constitutes the good life.

It's the simple things...

:pac:

kneemos · 16-11-2015 10:02am

sup_dude wrote: »

That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one...

The old "loaded question"cop out.

Turtyturd · 16-11-2015 10:03am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

As opposed to some left wing muck like the Irish Times I suppose. What personal experience of the subject do you have?

Working in the IPS. :pac:

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 10:04am

kneemos wrote:

The old "loaded question"cop out.

It's not a cop out when you know fine rightly that it doesn't matter what answer you give, it's going to be twisted.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:04am

sup_dude wrote: »

That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one...

So your knowledge of the subject is .... non existent. Nice.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 10:05am

sup_dude wrote: »

It's not a cop out when you know fine rightly that it doesn't matter what answer you give, it's going to be twisted.

Off ya go then.

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 10:05am

sonny.knowles wrote:

So your knowledge of the subject is .... non existent. Nice.

Wow, I didn't even give an answer and you still managed to do what I was expecting you to do if I did give an answer...

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:06am

Turtyturd wrote: »

Working in the IPS. :pac:

Fair enough. Do you consider Irish prisons to be harsh? If so, why? And relative to what?

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:08am

sup_dude wrote: »

Wow, I didn't even give an answer and you still managed to do what I was expecting you to do if I did give an answer...

Feel free to answer then. You painted yourself into this corner yourself. Simplest thing is to acknowledge it and we can move on.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 10:09am

Turtyturd wrote: »

Working in the IPS. :pac:

:pac:

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 10:13am

sonny.knowles wrote:

Feel free to answer then. You painted yourself into this corner yourself. Simplest thing is to acknowledge it and we can move on.

I have a close relative who works as a counseller in prisons. Prisoner reform was also something I looked into when looking at EFETA and EGALA.

I didn't paint myself into any corner. I know fine rightly it was a loaded question, and lo and behold...

smash · 16-11-2015 10:15am

sup_dude wrote: »

I have a close relative who works as a counseller in prisons. Prisoner reform was also something I looked into when looking at EFETA and EGALA.

I didn't paint myself into any corner. I know fine rightly it was a loaded question, and lo and behold...

Feel the burn sonny.... feel the burn!

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:16am

sup_dude wrote: »

I have a close relative who works as a counseller in prisons. Prisoner reform was also something I looked into when looking at EFETA and EGALA.

I didn't paint myself into any corner. I know fine rightly it was a loaded question, and lo and behold...

So someone else's opinions.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:16am

smash wrote: »

Feel the burn sonny.... feel the burn!

The burn - because the poster (claims to) know someone that may know something? :rolleyes:

Are you taking the piss? :P

smash · 16-11-2015 10:18am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

The burn - because the poster (claims to) know someone that may know something? :rolleyes:

Are you taking the piss? :P

The poster also researched it a bit themselves. Did you miss that part?

Ave Sodalis · 16-11-2015 10:18am

Oh how did I know?!

Now if you would just read the post you twisted properly, you might find a different conclusion in there somewhere.

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:18am

So getting back to the question of whether Irish prisons are harsh. In what way are they harsh? And relative to what?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 16-11-2015 10:20am

The prisoners have lost their freedom, they're locked up in cages 16 hours a day and get one 30 minute visit per week. Then add the constant overhanging threat of violence.

It's absolutely miserable I imagine.

I have to wonder about the mentality of people crying out that inmates need to suffer more. Bizarre.

corner of hells · 16-11-2015 10:23am

Lucas Ugly Resort wrote: »

The prisoners have lost their freedom, they're locked up in cages 16 hours a day and get one 30 minute visit per week. Then add the constant overhanging threat of violence.

It's absolutely miserable I imagine.

I have to wonder about the mentality of people crying out that inmates need to suffer more. Bizarre.

Add in addiction issues , mental ill health , lack of opportunity and marginalisation .

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:24am

smash wrote: »

The poster also researched it a bit themselves. Did you miss that part?

Yeah, I forgot about her reading something. Thanks for the reminder Smash. I read something once too.

kneemos · 16-11-2015 10:27am

Bloke on the telly one time who had just left the Joy reackoned it has become a lot harder in recent years with gangs within the prison.
Used to be easy...his words

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:28am

Lucas Ugly Resort wrote: »

The prisoners have lost their freedom, they're locked up in cages 16 hours a day and get one 30 minute visit per week. Then add the constant overhanging threat of violence.

It's absolutely miserable I imagine.

I have to wonder about the mentality of people crying out that inmates need to suffer more. Bizarre.

I didn't say they needed to suffer more (in case that is aimed at me). But I do have an issue with people claiming the current conditions are 'harsh'. They aren't by any stretch of the imagination. Use of emotive terms like 'cages' is not helpful.

As for loss of freedom, they are in prison, what do you expect?

sonny.knowles · 16-11-2015 10:29am

kneemos wrote: »

Bloke on the telly one time who had just left the Joy reackoned it has become a lot harder in recent years with gangs within the prison.
Used to be easy...his words

Being locked in the cell (as opposed to cage) is probably a good thing then.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 16-11-2015 10:33am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

I didn't say they needed to suffer more (in case that is aimed at me). But I do have an issue with people claiming the current conditions are 'harsh'. They aren't by any stretch of the imagination. Use of emotive terms like 'cages' is not helpful.

As for loss of freedom, they are in prison, what do you expect?

I expect them to lose their freedom.

Now what is it exactly that you expect?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 16-11-2015 10:34am

kneemos wrote: »

Used to be easy...his words

Used to be easy when it was 3 or 4 to a cell, with a bucket to sh*t in in the corner?

Hard to believe

corner of hells · 16-11-2015 10:34am

sonny.knowles wrote: »

I didn't say they needed to suffer more (in case that is aimed at me). But I do have an issue with people claiming the current conditions are 'harsh'. They aren't by any stretch of the imagination. Use of emotive terms like 'cages' is not helpful.

As for loss of freedom, they are in prison, what do you expect?

How do measure what's harsh ?

For me the loss of freedom , separation from loved ones , having to be confined in a cell for hours on end is harsh.

The Joy

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