Hollywood Actor Jussie Smollett Facing Prison Time

SeanW · 24-02-2019 6:17pm

If the story was "I'm a cis-het white male MAGA hat wearer who has a bit part on some lame Fox channel drama that no leftist ever watches, walking down a dirt road in rural Alabama, with a MAGA hat on and an AR15 over my shoulder, when two Bernie bros attacked me. The held me up with a knife, forced my mouth open and poured a vegan soy latte down my throat. Then they said "this is social-justice country."" But the person still had the AR15 slung over their shoulder and never lost control of anything.

I'm pretty sure you'd be asking questions.

How do you think April Ryan, Vanity Fair etc. would have covered it? Would all of the mainstream news people have been like #JusticeForMAGAhats and blamed everything on a climate of hate perpetuated by college Gender Studies departments, Democrats and social justice activists? Would they ****!

Billy86 · 24-02-2019 7:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. He condemned people who carried out violence on both sides and suggested that not EVERY person that was at the rally was a white supremacist nor were all the people present to protest the rally violent thugs looking for a fight.

What a monster.

Just letting you know that march was literally organised by white supremacists, in the name of white supremacy. It was about as explicit a neo Nazi march as you could find:

http://digg.com/2017/matthew-heimbach-alt-right-charlottesville-unite-the-right

One of the men leading the explicitly white nationalist wing of the alt-right movement is Matthew Heimbach.

In a black combat helmet with a bodyguard in tow, Heimbach led followers in Emancipation Park Saturday to push down police barricades, The Indianapolis Star reports. Heimbach wasn't shy about the overtly white nationalist motivations of the gathering (despite the official rallying point of the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue from the park), explaining the importance of the Rally to the Indianapolis Star:

The biggest thing is a show of strength... To show that our organizations that have been divided on class, been divided on religious issues, divided on ideological grounds, can put 14 words — ‘We must secure the existence of our people and the future for white children’ — as our primary motivating factor.

In early July, Heimbach posted a video to the YouTube account of his Traditionalist Worker Party, promoting the rally as a show of force against "white genocide" and "the Jewish power structure" — claiming the destruction of the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville was a step towards white cultural erasure.

The initial organisers were Richard spencer (the outright neo Nazi throwing zeig heils around at speeches while talking about the 'lugenpress' after trump election) and Jason Kessler (another far right lunatic who identifies as white supremacist).

It was a point blank neo Nazi March that resulted in domestic neo Nazi terrorism. There really isn't any two ways about it.

Added that neo Nazi flags and banners were as prominent as the colour green at a Paddy's Day parade, it's simply not believable than those in attendance didn't know what it was about.

JP Liz V1 · 24-02-2019 9:17pm

Empire daddy Terrence Howard speaks

“The Jussie I know could never even conceive of something so unconscious and ugly,” he said. “His innocence or judgment is not for any of us to decide. Stay in your lane and my lane is empathy and love and compassion for someone I’ve called my son for five years. It’s God’s job to judge and it’s ours to love and hope, especially for those that we claim to have loved. There’s nothing more harmful than a fake friend!”

https://tvline.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-attack-terrence-howard-defends-empire-star/

Calhoun · 24-02-2019 10:10pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Empire daddy Terrence Howard speaks

https://tvline.com/2019/02/24/jussie-smollett-hate-crime-attack-terrence-howard-defends-empire-star/

Apparently he is a woman beater.

LLMMLL · 24-02-2019 11:52pm

SeanW wrote: »

If the story was "I'm a cis-het white male MAGA hat wearer who has a bit part on some lame Fox channel drama that no leftist ever watches, walking down a dirt road in rural Alabama, with a MAGA hat on and an AR15 over my shoulder, when two Bernie bros attacked me. The held me up with a knife, forced my mouth open and poured a vegan soy latte down my throat. Then they said "this is social-justice country."" But the person still had the AR15 slung over their shoulder and never lost control of anything.

I'm pretty sure you'd be asking questions.

Your reverse example just illustrates the points that I don't find particularly outlandish. For instance, the way you portray it, attacks on liberals are unlikely in cities, and attacks on conservatives are unlikely in rural areas. For me, both are more believable to occur in a city. I really don't get the whole "it was obviously fake as it happened in Chicago" argument. I also don't get the argument that Empire is some liberal show so it was outlandish that conservative people would know who he is. BTW Empire is on FOX. Either way, I'm sure plenty of liberals know FOX stars, and I'm sure plenty of conservatives are familiar with various more liberal stars. Its not outlandish at all. And yes, while I would probably be more sceptical of someone performing an attack in the name of Bernie Sanders, I would not find it outlandish for two people to attack a conservative in the name of antifa for example while shouting anti-fascist slogans. Clearly,the idea of pouring a vegan soy latte down someones throat is pretty outlandish but doesn't really map to what Smollett claimed happened to him.

So if I heard from the US media that a conservative FOX news reporter had been attacked in Chicago while wearing a pro-Trump tshirt by two people who were wearing antifa tshirts and shouting anti fascist slogans....... I'd probably believe it.

Many of the true stories are outlandish. Take the anti-gay graffiti that was put on the George a few years back. There were swastikas as well, and I believe the guy who did it was wearing a dinosaur onesie. Quite the bizarre tale but true.

How do you think April Ryan, Vanity Fair etc. would have covered it? Would all of the mainstream news people have been like #JusticeForMAGAhats and blamed everything on a climate of hate perpetuated by college Gender Studies departments, Democrats and social justice activists? Would they ****!

I think if what you said actually did happen, then it would get a lot of coverage. I don't think anyone but the conservative channels would be trying to use it as examples of systemic discrimination against white people for pretty obvious reasons.

Billy86 · 24-02-2019 11:57pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Apparently he is a woman beater.

...and batsh*t insane.

https://mashable.com/2015/09/14/terrence-howard-one-times-one/#QhEA4aa0T5qP
Terryology goes back to Howard's college days. The future actor was studying chemical engineering at Pratt — but dropped out when he realized that he fundamentally disagreed with his professors about the basics of math. The argument focused on the simple equation of one times one.

"How can it equal one?" Howard asked Rolling Stone, and the universe. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."

Lackey · 25-02-2019 8:55pm

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/25/lgbt-activist-burned-home-annoyed-no-prejudice-campaign-8738779/

Here's another one
Burned his house down and received 50k in donations too.

statesaver · 25-02-2019 9:06pm

The left really is eating itself

Pac1Man · 25-02-2019 9:07pm

Lackey wrote: »

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/25/lgbt-activist-burned-home-annoyed-no-prejudice-campaign-8738779/

Here's another one
Burned his house down and received 50k in donations too.

At least his eyes are straight.

LessOutragePlz · 09-03-2019 5:49pm

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/08/jussie-smollett-indictment-police-report-assault

The **** has hit the fan for Smollett with him being indicted on 16 felony counts.

09-03-2019 6:23pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/08/jussie-smollett-indictment-police-report-assault

The **** has hit the fan for Smollett with him being indicted on 16 felony counts.

Good stuff. It will probably be the threats and powder in the mail that ruins his life.

mad muffin · 09-03-2019 6:31pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/08/jussie-smollett-indictment-police-report-assault

The **** has hit the fan for Smollett with him being indicted on 16 felony counts.

Time for him to watch 25th hour…

manual_man · 26-03-2019 4:58pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/08/jussie-smollett-indictment-police-report-assault

The **** has hit the fan for Smollett with him being indicted on 16 felony counts.

All charges dropped as of today after an 'emergency court appearance'. The judge granted a motion to seal the case.

This is bloody unbelievable.

gmisk · 26-03-2019 4:59pm

manual_man wrote: »

All charges dropped as of today after an 'emergency court appearance'. The judge granted a motion to seal the case.

This is bloody unbelievable.

Er what the hell.....that makes no bloody sense at all?!
His career is done anyway.
What about the other two lads?

Oh actually see the below, still seems mad to me.

According to the Chicago Times it was part of a prosecutorial deal where he has to perform community service and forfeit the $10,000 bond. Not sure if you are "innocent" that you get a deal.....

https://twitter.com/WashNews/status/1110564217957040128

Boggles · 26-03-2019 5:11pm

gmisk wrote: »

Er what the hell.....that makes no bloody sense at all?!

There was a lawyer at the time that said he couldn't believe the show (press conference) the Sherrif's office put on at the time and that they just prejudiced a jury from giving him a fair trial.

Could be something do with it, is was completely OTT even by American standards TBF.

VicMackey1 · 26-03-2019 5:11pm

So basically he bought his way out of jail!

manual_man · 26-03-2019 5:12pm

gmisk wrote: »

Er what the hell.....that makes no bloody sense at all?!
His career is done anyway

Oh actually see the below, still seems mad to me.

According to the Chicago Times it was part of a prosecutorial deal where he has to perform community service and forfeit the $10,000 bond. Not sure if you are "innocent" that you get a deal.....

https://twitter.com/WashNews/status/1110564217957040128

Smells of a giant cover-up to me. Let's not forget that Smollett has friends in high places, in particular in Democrat Party circles. Perhaps invesigations uncovered damaging info on people even more high profile than Smollett?? Or if not, then it would still mean Smollett is getting off essentially scot-free for his evil hoax which could have resulted in riots. A complete joke.

Guy:Incognito · 26-03-2019 5:15pm

gmisk wrote: »

His career is done anyway.

Hardly. Few months and itll be forgotten about.

Boggles · 26-03-2019 5:20pm

manual_man wrote: »

Let's not forget that Smollett has friends in high places, in particular in Democrat Party circles.

Who?

The only reason anyone really knows him is because of the stunt he pulled, he was a relatively unknown fringe actor whose biggest role was in The Mighty Ducks 27 years ago.

Are you sure your not thinking of Robert De Niro?

mad muffin · 26-03-2019 5:21pm

Payback for trump being cleared.

valoren · 26-03-2019 5:21pm

Effectively this reads to me as; you're a spa who wasted significant police time and resources but if you agree to pay the cost of that, we'll drop the charges and we're "even stevens".

In America, if you're guilty, it helps to be wealthy.

keano_afc · 26-03-2019 5:27pm

You mean the rich Democrat got away with it? Surely not.

manual_man · 26-03-2019 5:32pm

Boggles wrote: »

Who?

There's plenty of photos online of him alongside prominent Democrats.

- The Obamas
- Kamala Harris
- Maxine Waters
- Valerie Jarrett

Smollett has been fairly involved in political activism.

Calhoun · 26-03-2019 5:34pm

It shows one truth about America, color matters. It's not white, black ect but green.

Many rich men/women get away with **** as in America as long as they pay.

The collateral damage to his career though will be the one to watch.

LessOutragePlz · 26-03-2019 5:35pm

Hahaha what a joke he should be tried for the crimes that he committed.

gmisk · 26-03-2019 5:44pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Hardly. Few months and itll be forgotten about.

Lets see....but I really doubt it.

Itssoeasy · 26-03-2019 6:08pm

Utter rubbish. I mean the two brothers had a check given to them by your man. Either the prosecutors in Chicago either ballsed up or something or else happened. I mean he had a load of felony charges but it seems his record is clean enough now to eat your dinner off of. Something stinks here.

Grayson · 26-03-2019 6:09pm

manual_man wrote: »

Smells of a giant cover-up to me. Let's not forget that Smollett has friends in high places, in particular in Democrat Party circles. Perhaps invesigations uncovered damaging info on people even more high profile than Smollett?? Or if not, then it would still mean Smollett is getting off essentially scot-free for his evil hoax which could have resulted in riots. A complete joke.

I had to go to district court last week to act as a witness. The case was scheduled for just after 10. Waited in court all day and it was postponed till the end of the year due to lack of time.

However i did get to see a full day of district court in action. I've never been to court so it was an education.
And i saw stuff like this. Judge would ask if the guy had been charged before, ask for details of the offense etc. I saw one poor fecker who had been charged with possession of 5 euro of weed. The guy submitted a drug test, showed he had a job and volunteered a donation to a charity. The case was dismissed.

Now, admittedly, a fiver of weed is nowhere near comparable to making a false report but I did see other cases involving speeding etc that were dealt with the same.

And I believe the patriots owner has got a similar deal. He had to do some community service, attend some classes about prostitution, admit that if it had gone to trial he would have been found guilty and pay a fine.

I don't think this has anything to do with political connections. I think it's just a judge with a busy ticket, a guy with an expensive lawyer and that's it.

Itssoeasy · 26-03-2019 6:11pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

gmisk wrote: »

His career is done anyway.

Hardly. Few months and itll be forgotten about.

Yeah watch for the book and redemption TV show tour where he’s say how difficult it was for him.

Penn · 26-03-2019 6:14pm

Grayson wrote: »

I don't think this has anything to do with political connections. I think it's just a judge with a busy ticket, a guy with an expensive lawyer and that's it.

Agreed. Ultimately, despite his accusations of the type of people he said attacked him and the conflict that could cause, nobody (luckily) ended up being hurt apart from himself. I'd say it just wasn't worth their time and effort to investigate, go to trial etc. A plea deal, sealed (likely agreed to on account of him being a celebrity) closes it out and everyone moves on. His reputation will likely never recover from it anyway.

nullzero · 26-03-2019 6:45pm

The neck on this guy trying to take the moral high ground, he should be ashamed of himself, obviously he's too narcissistic for that.

Zorya · 26-03-2019 7:05pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBI8_m4XhBY

This guy thinks the charges against him were false?

Guy:Incognito · 26-03-2019 7:18pm

gmisk wrote: »

Lets see....but I really doubt it.

He was hardly Hollywood A list. He doesn't have much of a reputation or career to rebuild to get back to where he was.

Itssoeasy · 26-03-2019 7:20pm

The Chicago police chief and the mayor aren’t very happy with the decision. It’s a “whitewash” and “this is not on the level” well don’t hold back lads, tell us how you really feel.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-03-2019 7:26pm

valoren wrote: »

Effectively this reads to me as; you're a spa who wasted significant police time and resources but if you agree to pay the cost of that, we'll drop the charges and we're "even stevens".

In America, if you're guilty, it helps to be wealthy.

Ever since the verdict of a certain high profile mid-90s murder trial was read, that’s been very clear. It sickens my tits, but there you go.

keano_afc wrote: »

You mean the rich Democrat got away with it? Surely not.

Oh please. Politics has little to do with it. Being wealthy is all that’s required.

retro:electro · 26-03-2019 7:47pm

I’m guessing he won’t have to pay people to beat him up any longer. There’ll be more than enough people ready and willing to do it for free.

indough · 26-03-2019 7:51pm

Forget it Jake, it’s Chicago Town

Sand · 26-03-2019 9:02pm

I'm surprised a deal was done like this. It's very telling that he was still sticking to his story when he was told the police had arrested two men for the faked attack on him. He was perfectly willing to see two white men go to jail for a crime he knew they didn't commit. He only relented when he realised the two men arrested were his actual accomplices. This was not a victim less crime. Like the Covington schoolboys hoax and the Jasmine Barnes hoax, the targets of this race baiting are white Americans. The courts should have sent a message that this is not acceptable. Instead, they have done the reverse. The Twitter mob moves on to the next hoax crime, having forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

All I'll say is that if Smollett ever is actually attacked, he will have an incredibly hard time convincing anyone of that.

RDM_83 again · 26-03-2019 9:10pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Ever since the verdict of a certain high profile mid-90s murder trial was read, that’s been very clear. It sickens my tits, but there you go.

Oh please. Politics has little to do with it. Being wealthy is all that’s required.

Its a bit naive to think that politics has nothing to do with this considering its on the record that a former senior Obama aide was intervening in the case.

Wonder will there be any follow up to this, I imagine there will be, ending the case this way might have been in the interest of some but it would seem to undermine others in authority, which is why the mayor and police superintendent are on the warpath.

This is a pretty strong statement considering they are all meant to be on the same side
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-mayor-rahm-emanuel-police-chief-slam-prosecutors-dropping-jussie-n987566

jeremyj1968 · 26-03-2019 10:09pm

Unbelievable that the police should be thrown under the bus here, to protect this self serving clown. It's kinda ironic that he faked an attack to highlight how gay black men are persecuted, given that the fact that he is a gay black man is saving him from prison time.

What message does this send to people who might contemplate doing a fake attack of their own? Those two Nigerian lads might be looking at a busy next few months.

conorhal · 26-03-2019 10:32pm

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. Ultimately, despite his accusations of the type of people he said attacked him and the conflict that could cause, nobody (luckily) ended up being hurt apart from himself. I'd say it just wasn't worth their time and effort to investigate, go to trial etc. A plea deal, sealed (likely agreed to on account of him being a celebrity) closes it out and everyone moves on. His reputation will likely never recover from it anyway.

His reputation won't recover?

Fox have already released a statement saying that he has always maintained his innocence and they are 'gratified' on his behalf that all charges have been dismissed. Which is just code for, we dropped him from 2 episodes but he'll be back on the series next season.

And there was no plea deal, the charges were dismissed at an 'emergency hearing' after which the case was sealed. That smacks of some political chicanery.
The left were embarrassed and now they're going to drop this episode down the memory hole and pretend like it never happened.

Billy86 · 26-03-2019 10:40pm

conorhal wrote: »

And there was no plea deal, the charges were dismissed at an 'emergency hearing' after which the case was sealed. That smacks of some political chicanery.
The left were embarrassed and now they're going to drop this episode down the memory hole and pretend like it never happened.

My god this is just like Pizzagate, I hope Qanon is hot on the case! :eek:

conorhal · 26-03-2019 10:53pm

Billy86 wrote: »

My god this is just like Pizzagate, I hope Qanon is hot on the case! :eek:

Don't you have some Russian bots to bother?

So the Mayor of Chicago and it's black police chief are conspiracy theorists when they directly say that Smollet has received special treatment and the case has "literally been wite-washed", to quote Rahm Emanuel?

The cops referred to it affront to justice and a 'kick in the gut' to find out the case had been dropped and they weren't even notified.

Billy86 · 26-03-2019 10:59pm

conorhal wrote: »

Don't you have some Russian bots to bother?

Where would I do that? You certainly don't find any of them on boards, which I have said repeatedly. Bu yeah many high level politicians definitely risked major, potentially career damaging scandal, so they could get this random gobsh*te who has a backing role in a TV show off a sentence that would have otherwise has no impact on their lives because... well because reasons. Because the same reasons De Demmycrats are raping children in the basement of a pizza place (which your theory is about as credible as, so it's a safe bet it's currently doing the rounds on your alt-right websites that were spreading that one too).

And for the record, as I said earlier in the thread, I absolutely think he should have got time for this. But he got off for being rich and famous in America, not for some grand political conspiracy to.... get a C-list celebrity off a sentence because reasons.

conorhal · 26-03-2019 11:08pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Where would I do that? You certainly don't find any of them on boards, which I have said repeatedly. Bu yeah many high level politicians definitely risked major, potentially career damaging scandal, so they could get this random gobsh*te who has a backing role in a TV show off a sentence that would have otherwise has no impact on their lives because... well because reasons. Because the same reasons De Demmycrats are raping children in the basement of a pizza place (which your theory is about as credible as, so it's a safe bet it's currenty doing the rounds on your alt-right websites that were spreading that one too).

When or where have I ever had anything to say about mad conspiracy theories like Pizzgate? That's some weak sauce attempt at strawmanning. You wanna throw in some faked moon landings in to muddy the waters also?

It's not like he rocked up in front of a judge for his hearing and the case got dismissed.
A private emergency hearing was convened, nobody, especially not the cops, were told and the case was closed without reason being given and the files sealed.
That's only done on orders. A few friendly calls were undoubtedly made to lean on (politically appointed) prosecutors.

Tell me this, do you reckon he faked it all or are you going to tell me you believe his BS?

EDIT:

It would seem that the Chicago Sun Times is also peddling conspiracy theories.....
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/fop-federal-investigation-kim-foxx-interference-jussie-smollett-police-johnson-rahm-emanuel-react/

"In renewing the call for a federal investigation into what he called Foxx’s political “interference” on behalf of the Smollett family, Preib argued that the state’s attorney’s office’s decision to drop the charges “only gives more foundation to our claims.”
Foxx’s (The prosecutor that had to recuse herself) initial request that Johnson transfer the case to the FBI came after an influential supporter of the “Empire” actor reached out to Foxx personally: Tina Tchen, a Chicago attorney and former chief of staff for former first lady Michelle Obama, according to emails and text messages provided by Foxx to the Sun-Times in response to a public records request."

Sand · 26-03-2019 11:15pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Where would I do that? You certainly don't find any of them on boards, which I have said repeatedly. Bu yeah many high level politicians definitely risked major, potentially career damaging scandal, so they could get this random gobsh*te who has a backing role in a TV show off a sentence that would have otherwise has no impact on their lives because... well because reasons. Because the same reasons De Demmycrats are raping children in the basement of a pizza place (which your theory is about as credible as, so it's a safe bet it's currently doing the rounds on your alt-right websites that were spreading that one too).

And for the record, as I said earlier in the thread, I absolutely think he should have got time for this. But he got off for being rich and famous in America, not for some grand political conspiracy to.... get a C-list celebrity off a sentence because reasons.

I wouldn't dwell on the pizzagate conspiracy. You might think the comparison is beneficial to your argument, but pizzagate was dreamt up and enabled by cranks in hopelessly partizan echochambers on the internet.

The Smollet hoax, the Convington hoax, the Barnes hoax, the Yasmin Seweid hoax: all these were enabled by the mainstream media in the US. The comparison to partizan cranks on the right reflects very poorly on the media as a professional group. Lets remember, pizzagate is not even unique in that it led to violence. The media enabled the conspiracy spread by BLM that police death squads were actively murdering unarmed black men...because reasons. That directly led to the murder of 5 Dallas police-officers and the wounding of 9 more by a US army reservist in 2016, convinced by the BLM argument supported and sustained by the media.

These ought to have been major, potentially career ending blunders by high profile media and political figures who endorsed and backed hoaxes and conspiracy theories with real consequences for real people. None of them were. Your view that political figures would be unlikely to take a significant risk by intervening on behalf of Smollett rests on the dubious belief that there is any real risk.

RDM_83 again · 26-03-2019 11:34pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Where would I do that? You certainly don't find any of them on boards, which I have said repeatedly. Bu yeah many high level politicians definitely risked major, potentially career damaging scandal, so they could get this random gobsh*te who has a backing role in a TV show off a sentence that would have otherwise has no impact on their lives because... well because reasons.

Whats your reply to the fact that a senior Obama advisor did try and have an input to the case?

Also its not simply about the actor, its about who latched onto this case.
Example
https://binged.it/2HX93iP

Avoiding more embarrassment for a likely 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate is a pretty decent reason for intervention

Billy86 · 26-03-2019 11:50pm

Sand wrote: »

I wouldn't dwell on the pizzagate conspiracy. You might think the comparison is beneficial to your argument, but pizzagate was dreamt up and enabled by cranks in hopelessly partizan echochambers on the internet.

The Smollet hoax, the Convington hoax, the Barnes hoax, the Yasmin Seweid hoax: all these were enabled by the mainstream media in the US. The comparison to partizan cranks on the right reflects very poorly on the media as a professional group. Lets remember, pizzagate is not even unique in that it led to violence. The media enabled the conspiracy spread by BLM that police death squads were actively murdering unarmed black men...because reasons. That directly led to the murder of 5 Dallas police-officers and the wounding of 9 more by a US army reservist in 2016, convinced by the BLM argument supported and sustained by the media.

These ought to have been major, potentially career ending blunders by high profile media and political figures who endorsed and backed hoaxes and conspiracy theories with real consequences for real people. None of them were. Your view that political figures would be unlikely to take a significant risk by intervening on behalf of Smollett rests on the dubious belief that there is any real risk.

Explain how the media enabled it to me could you?

They reported on it. And they reported on it when he was arrested for it. Then today they reported that he has been cleared.

That's what the media do. They report on things. They also reported on the Seth Rich and pizzagate conspiracies, among others. And both of those were false too. Hence why it is not surprising that nearly half of republicans believed it, a long long way from the "fringe conspiracy theory" you are trying to paint it as. And by no coincidence, far right terrorism has absolutely shot up in the US in re ent years as a result.

If you don't want the media to report on breaking stories, personally I can't get behind that.

Sweetemotion · 27-03-2019 12:06am

Billy86 wrote: »

They reported on it. And they reported on it when he was arrested for it. Then today they reported that he has been cleared.

You left out the part where they reported it as an absolute fact that it happened.

Cleared is a good way of putting it. You know something else went on here but you've gone so far down the rabbit hole you can't admit it. I used to read your posts with interest but now it's just. :rolleyes:

Sand · 27-03-2019 12:34am

Billy86 wrote: »

Explain how the media enabled it to me could you?

They reported on it. And they reported on it when he was arrested for it. Then today they reported that he has been cleared.

That's what the media do. They report on things.

They uncritically accept, repeat and amplify obvious conspiracy theories with an obvious political slant. Is a peaceful, if boisterous, confrontation between a native american activist and some schoolboys national news? Was that the lead story of the day in any real or objective sense?

The US media is not innocently and objectively reporting events. This is not the first draft of history by people aware of their responsibility to the truth. This is a partisan media trawling through minor events and twitter posts deliberately seeking out and amplifying minor stories into national and international news because it confirms their own political bias.

The key point though is they face absolutely no consequence when caught out. Some mild embarrassment or anger at being caught, but quickly rationalised and excused. You are now claiming Smollett was cleared. In 12 months, to the extent that anyone recalls the Smollett case it will only be that he was innocent, the victim again.

They also reported on the Seth Rich and pizzagate conspiracies, among others. And both of those were false too.

Really? Did the entire US media uncritically report that senior Democratic figures were engaged in the systematic sexual abuse of children in a dungeon built under a Washington DC pizza restaurant? Did they lead with that claim 24/7 with talking heads on to endorse and advance the claims?

Be serious. Pizzagate was spread by social media and banned sites like InfoWars. To the extent the mainstream media reported on pizzagate it was in the context of debunking an obvious conspiracy theory. The idea that the media should just uncritically report wild claims is only used selectively. If you cant see the bias in the media you consume, its because you agree with the bias.

And by no coincidence, far right terrorism has absolutely shot up in the US in re ent years as a result.

Fairly sure that is a hoax too. An Israel-American man was recently jailed for 10 years after making 2,000 bomb threats against Jewish institutions and community centres across the US through 2016 and 2017. The level of antisemetic crime is so low that this one man campaign (by a Jewish person) fuelled a belief that Trump's election had unleashed an antisemitic wave of hatred.

If you don't want the media to report on breaking stories, personally I can't get behind that.

I think its entirely fair for the media to report on newsworthy events, but aware that claims and allegations are just that. Some sense of responsibility and restraint has to be exercised. Can you honestly say that Smolletts claim that he was randomly accosted late at night by two white guys in MAGA hats shouting that Chicago was MAGA country sounds in any way credible? Who says that? In Chicago?

Anyone who uncritically accepted, repeated and amplified such an unlikely scenario is either hopelessly naive or hopelessly biased. I don't accept Trump supporters as being genuine media sources, and we increasingly cannot accept the US media as being genuine media sources where ever racial or progressive narratives are in play.

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