Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

tretorn · 12-02-2019 8:16pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Because of course they are all rapists.

Every single one. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised Boards' resident racist isn't here yet, early doors though.

The same reason as the residents of Donnybrook and Sandymount dont want asylum seekers on their doorstep. Most residents who have put a lot of money into their property dont want anything near them that will devalue it and hordes of unemployed myogynisitc young men hanging around makes people fearful and this leads to people wanting to move elsewhere so eventually enough bring in enough asylum seekers and you have a ghetto.

I see the Muslim man who was caught trying to sneak out of Syria with women and children wants to come back here. He said Ireland is his country, well forget about that khalid or whatever your name is, your citizenship is being revoked as we speak so you can stay in whatever ****hole you find yourself in now.

Ireland does not want you back.

Spanish Eyes · 12-02-2019 8:20pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I get the sense that the asylum business will become the new "homelessness" industry. Many, many people will get very rich from it; irrespective of the cost to society or to genuine asylum seekers themselves.

FOI request incoming to DFA:eek:

tretorn · 12-02-2019 8:21pm

Many, many people are getting rich from it already.

Kivaro · 12-02-2019 8:22pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Which posters are these by the way? I keep hearing about all these pro open borders posters on AH but only remember seeing 1 or 2 people ever call for it?

I could very well be wrong and have missed several posters in this thread calling for such a thing (either here or in the past) but would appreciate if you could point them out to me.

Usually it is Sinn Fein posters advocating for their party's policy of open borders for all, or people with skin in the game .... like NGO staff reliant on a booming migrant/refugee business.

Spanish Eyes · 12-02-2019 8:26pm

@Tretorn,

The media that are reporting on this would have a total conniption if asylum seekers were to be placed anywhere near them. Just like they comment on Travellers, but will never have to live beside them.

No one calls them out on that though.

I actually do not blame small communities or any community for that matter who have not not been informed about an influx of AS.

Follow the money is right, but it ain't going to the residents of these places. I don't blame them TBH.

There will never be a Traveller site nor an asylum seeker venue in high end areas. Sorry. That is the reality, and it has to be challenged.

Church on Tuesday · 12-02-2019 8:28pm

tretorn wrote: »

The same reason as the residents of Donnybrook and Sandymount dont want asylum seekers on their doorstep. Most residents who have put a lot of money into their property dont want anything near them that will devalue it and hordes of unemployed [I]myogynisitc young men hanging around [/I]makes people fearful and this leads to people wanting to move elsewhere so eventually enough bring in enough asylum seekers and you have a ghetto.

I see the Muslim man who was caught trying to sneak out of Syria with women and children wants to come back here. He said Ireland is his country, well forget about that khalid or whatever your name is, your citizenship is being revoked as we speak so you can stay in whatever ****hole you find yourself in now.

Ireland does not want you back.

Exaggerating much?

Meh, people like you have all the empathy of an empty Tayto packet. Waste of time.

tretorn · 12-02-2019 8:30pm

We opened our doors to the likes of the man captured in Syria last week. We probably gave him a social housing and unemployment benefit and he began to hang around with radicals and the next thing he is in Syria. Of course he didnt do anything bad in Syria, no one caught has done anything bad, they all just drove other people around, only a fool would believe that.

We need to make sure this toerag never sets foot in this country again, who does he think he is demanding to be sent back here. This was never "his" country, he may have got residency rights thanks to woolly liberals but the Irish Government can cancel all these right and tough luck if this makes him Stateless. He is busy pulling the mental health card too, he obviously thinks that will help his cause.

We dont know the history of anyone arriving here so rural dwellers do need to be careful who is landed among them. You can bet your life the people deciding where asylum seekers go will pick anywhere but where they and their relatives live and placing them where there are very few people to object makes the bureaucrats job easier, its just not right.

Spanish Eyes · 12-02-2019 8:31pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Exaggerating much?

Meh, people like you have all the empathy of an empty Tayto packet. Waste of time.

Am betting you don't live in a high end area (so called). They are immune.

12-02-2019 8:34pm

I am watching the six o clock news on the +1 channell and a woman saying that DP system must end and the people be allowed to live and work and be part of the community.......... But also they shouldnt be sent to Roscommon.

Also admits she doesn't have all the answers.

Cool, cool...........

tretorn · 12-02-2019 8:37pm

Of course he doesnt.

Look at Pat Kenny and the fuss he kicked up over a few apartments being built near him.

Would he be happy if the Government compulsorily acquired that site for social housing for travellers.

Why didnt the Government acquire that land mass at RTE, that site belongs to the people of Ireland because we fund RTE through the tV licence. It was the perfect place for high density public housing suitable for single men, travellers and asylum seekers.

Can you imagine the reaction of the Judges, Consultants, and Politicans who have bought in Donnybrook. The thoughts of their children travelling to their private schools and having to sit beside an asylum seeker. Nah, never going to happen, lets find some backward rural spot with no facilities and only a handful of locals to protest, the liberals in Donnybrook will tut tut from the safety of Dublin 4.

enricoh · 12-02-2019 9:00pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yep, laughing my head off at you and your ilk who are constantly spreading fearmongering on these threads, keep it up lads you really do bring a smile to my face with the sh/te you post.

No response to all the points, sorry facts that snake posted, what a surprise timberr.
Stick up something like - they ate our swans, n odhinn can chip in with something hilarious like they only ate the white ones.
U cant argue with the facts, so keep posting crap like that... Again!

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-02-2019 9:00pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Because of course they are all rapists.

Every single one. :rolleyes:

Exaggerate much?

Of course they aren't, don't think anyone is suggesting that.

But (assuminng) many if not all the folks in these facilities are young Muslim men (which is typically the case with non-EU refugee/illegal economic migration), then you have to consider some cold facts:

E.g. In Eng & Wales a certain group which follow a certain religion are x3 more likely to be behind bars than the average Joe (2016 figures).

Specifcally 12% of males in prison convicted of rape are Muslims in Eng & Wales (Mar 2014), again averaging triple of the representative population.

Then just today - the UK gov actually announced Taxi and private hire drivers could have to pass enhanced criminal ... Under the proposals, every council in England would be told to carry out detailed checks, this is in order to stop the rise/phenomenon of grooming gangs.

Specifcally these gangs are Pakistani-muslim men, (so may not be as relevant to this case) they primarily use minicabs to source and distribute their prey, aided by drink and drugs.

GinAndBitter · 12-02-2019 9:06pm

tretorn wrote: »

We opened our doors to the likes of the man captured in Syria last week. We probably gave him a social housing and unemployment benefit and he began to hang around with radicals and the next thing he is in Syria. Of course he didnt do anything bad in Syria, no one caught has done anything bad, they all just drove other people around, only a fool would believe that.

We need to make sure this toerag never sets foot in this country again, who does he think he is demanding to be sent back here. This was never "his" country, he may have got residency rights thanks to woolly liberals but the Irish Government can cancel all these right and tough luck if this makes him Stateless. He is busy pulling the mental health card too, he obviously thinks that will help his cause.

Same fella sacked from Lillies for groping female customers. He can stay wherever he is, the tramp.

Church on Tuesday · 12-02-2019 9:08pm

tretorn wrote: »

Of course he doesnt.

Look at Pat Kenny and the fuss he kicked up over a few apartments being built near him.

Would he be happy if the Government compulsorily acquired that site for social housing for travellers.

Why didnt the Government acquire that land mass at RTE, that site belongs to the people of Ireland because we fund RTE through the tV licence. It was the perfect place for high density public housing suitable for single men, travellers and asylum seekers.

Can you imagine the reaction of the Judges, Consultants, and Politicans who have bought in Donnybrook. The thoughts of their children travelling to their private schools and having to sit beside an asylum seeker. Nah, never going to happen, lets find some backward rural spot with no facilities and only a handful of locals to protest, the liberals in Donnybrook will tut tut from the safety of Dublin 4.

I assume you and your new friend there are referring to me?

No, I don't live in a' high end' area I'm currently living a couple mile outside of Ballaghadereen with my parents for the time being, you might have heard of it(it ain't Dalkey that's for sure); y'know, lots of dirty Syrians are living there.

No trouble from them, they just want to move on and make a life for themselves , locals pretty welcoming.

I lost a bank card on the street a month ago and two Syrian lads handed it into the local post office there I was told.

The gall of them eh? :rolleyes:

Del.Monte · 12-02-2019 9:22pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I assume you and your new friend there are referring to me?

No, I don't live in a' high end' area I'm currently living a couple mile outside of Ballaghadereen with my parents for the time being, you might have heard of it(it ain't Dalkey that's for sure); y'know, lots of dirty Syrians are living there.

No trouble from them, they just want to move on and make a life for themselves , locals pretty welcoming.

I lost a bank card on the street a month ago and two Syrian lads handed it into the local post office there I was told.

The gall of them eh? :rolleyes:

Gotta love the anecdote - open borders to everybody. :rolleyes:

Church on Tuesday · 12-02-2019 9:31pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Gotta love the anecdote - open borders to everybody. :rolleyes:

Yes, I suppose it dosn't quite fit in with the all Syrians are scum, or rapists if you will, narative alright.

Del.Monte · 12-02-2019 9:41pm

Completely off topic, but why on earth was an hotel in a prime tourist location designated for this sort of project? Anybody with half a brain will know so there's no need to answer.

enricoh · 12-02-2019 9:44pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I assume you and your new friend there are referring to me?

No, I don't live in a' high end' area I'm currently living a couple mile outside of Ballaghadereen with my parents for the time being, you might have heard of it(it ain't Dalkey that's for sure); y'know, lots of dirty Syrians are living there.

No trouble from them, they just want to move on and make a life for themselves , locals pretty welcoming.

I lost a bank card on the street a month ago and two Syrian lads handed it into the local post office there I was told.

The gall of them eh? :rolleyes:

If u ever move out of mammy n daddys n end up having a nipper or two, would you encourage your daughter to travel around the middle east n north africa?
Or would it just be racist to have any concerns?

Zorya · 12-02-2019 9:44pm

Maybe the President of Finland aught to be called out on his raging xenophobia.

SnakePlissken · 12-02-2019 9:48pm

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

However, no matter how many stats you post, lads, it doesn't justify torching innocent people's buildings.

Strange statement to make considering not one poster has advocated this criminal act.

Kivaro · 12-02-2019 10:14pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Because of course they are all rapists.

Every single one. :rolleyes:

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Yes, I suppose it dosn't quite fit in with the all Syrians are scum, or rapists if you will, narative alright.

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

However, no matter how many stats you post, lads, it doesn't justify torching innocent people's buildings.

I believe that comments like these is what the President of Finland was talking about when he said: "We need an open and factual discussion and decisions that are weighted thoroughly."

Nobody on here said the burning of the building was justified.
Nobody on here said that all Syrians are scum.
And nobody on here said that all Syrians are rapists.

Posters who make these comments cannot be taken seriously about anything else they say on the topic. They are being disingenuous and using a weak debating deflection mechanism.

Drifter50 · 12-02-2019 10:17pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I am watching the six o clock news on the +1 channell and a woman saying that DP system must end and the people be allowed to live and work and be part of the community.......... But also they shouldnt be sent to Roscommon.

Also admits she doesn't have all the answers.

Cool, cool...........

That was just bizarre,a representative of Roscommon against Racism, well she destroyed that for sure. She said several times the governement need to deal with AS in a humane way. She was asked where do you think they should be relocated to ?
Answer " I don`t have the answers "
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the issue, you simply can`t empty 80 AS into Rooskey, a village of 300, petrol station closed, hotel closed,garda station closed, bacon factory closed,1 shop, 1 church, couple of pubs open sometimes. There is simply no facilities for them. What would they do all day and night

Spanish Eyes · 12-02-2019 10:23pm

You can all talk away, the reality is, there will NEVER be either a Traveller settlement or an Asylum seeker place in so called high end areas of Dublin. EVER.

Oh sorry there was a Traveller place in SCD. We all know how that ended up with due respect to those who passed away.

Didn't hear too much about the residents close by who chose to STOP a temporary halting site beside their houses after that tragedy though. That would be because they are not in lower end areas. Correct?

Church on Tuesday · 12-02-2019 11:07pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I believe that comments like these is what the President of Finland was talking about when he said: "We need an open and factual discussion and decisions that are weighted thoroughly."

Nobody on here said the burning of the building was justified.
Nobody on here said that all Syrians are scum.
And nobody on here said that all Syrians are rapists.

Posters who make these comments cannot be taken seriously about anything else they say on the topic. They are being disingenuous and using a weak debating deflection mechanism.

Originally Posted by tretorn View Post
The same reason as the residents of Donnybrook and Sandymount dont want asylum seekers on their doorstep. Most residents who have put a lot of money into their property dont want anything near them that will devalue it and hordes of unemployed myogynisitc young men hanging around makes people fearful and this leads to people wanting to move elsewhere so eventually enough bring in enough asylum seekers and you have a ghetto.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 11:08pm

They should be given escorts.

Church on Tuesday · 12-02-2019 11:11pm

enricoh wrote: »

If u ever move out of mammy n daddys n end up having a nipper or two, would you encourage your daughter to travel around the middle east n north africa?
Or would it just be racist to have any concerns?

Im long out of mammy n daddys n am just stayin wit em for a bit.

I think that's what you meant anyways.

Why would I encourage my daughter to go traveling in the middle east or North Africa?

Not really, I'd be worried if my daughter went travelling anywhere by her own really.

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 11:11pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Originally Posted by tretorn View Post
The same reason as the residents of Donnybrook and Sandymount dont want asylum seekers on their doorstep. Most residents who have put a lot of money into their property dont want anything near them that will devalue it and hordes of unemployed myogynisitc young men hanging around makes people fearful and this leads to people wanting to move elsewhere so eventually enough bring in enough asylum seekers and you have a ghetto.

That doesn't say all Syrians are rapists does it ? Who's to say they're even Syrians anyway.

Jmsg · 12-02-2019 11:12pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

They should be given escorts.

We should take care of our own first, that means the disabled are first to the government subsidized rides, like in the netherlands

batgoat · 12-02-2019 11:18pm

enricoh wrote: »

If u ever move out of mammy n daddys n end up having a nipper or two, would you encourage your daughter to travel around the middle east n north africa?
Or would it just be racist to have any concerns?

Parents live in a relatively nice location, direct provision center has been there just under twenty years at this stage. Those living there have never caused any trouble and get on pretty well with the locals. You guys would likely think the area is a no go zone of some kind...

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-02-2019 11:19pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

They should be given escorts.

You want the government to supply them with prostitutes???

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 11:19pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I see we have the usual pro-open-borders supporters on here making fun of the issues that other countries have with asylum seeker integration and their adjustment to western norms e.g. respect for women etc.

They seem to think sexual violence is hilarious.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 11:20pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You want the government to supply them with prostitutes???

Rally cars.

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 11:21pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Your whole posting history is blatantly racist fearmongering sh/te.

You've no response so you just call him racist. ****ing pathetic.

tretorn · 12-02-2019 11:23pm

Some asylum seekers think any woman who isn’t covered head to toe is a prostitute.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-02-2019 11:24pm

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

You've no response so you just call him racist. ****ing pathetic.

I call it as i see it. You don't like what i have to say feel free to block my comments.

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 11:27pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I call it as i see it. You don't like what i have to say feel free to block my comments.

Call it what it you want. You haven't a leg a stand on now that the problems with migrant sexual violence in Germany, Sweden, England, Finland and elsewhere are now so well known.

Most people here see you for the eejit you are.

Spanish Eyes · 12-02-2019 11:28pm

Is it really true that no one wants Asylum seekers just the same as they do not want Travellers on their doorsteps?

Why would that be now I wonder?

(Places in high end areas of Dublin and elsewhere of course, are immune).

curioser · 12-02-2019 11:33pm

Has it been established that the reason for the attack is anything to do with the plan to place asylum seekers there? Could there be a purely local motive, maybe to do with the ownership of the place?

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 11:36pm

curioser wrote: »

Has it been established that the reason for the attack is anything to do with the plan to place asylum seekers there? Could there be a purely local motive, maybe to do with the ownership of the place?

Well thats the obvious motive isn't it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-02-2019 11:39pm

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Call it what it you want. You haven't a leg a stand on now that the problems with migrant sexual violence in Germany, Sweden, England, Finland and elsewhere are now so well known.

Most people here see you for the eejit you are.

Ah jaysus princess don't cry :rolleyes:

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 11:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah jaysus princess don't cry :rolleyes:

Why does it bother you when people get angry about sexual violence?

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-02-2019 11:47pm

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Why does it bother you when people get angry about sexual violence?

People are going bat shyt crazy over a few families moving to ireland from a war zone. Thats what has me laughing kiddo.

12-02-2019 11:49pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

@Tretorn,

There will never be a Traveller site nor an asylum seeker venue in high end areas. Sorry. That is the reality, and it has to be challenged.

There was an asylum seekers centre in killiney in the past.
Also, there are traveller halting sites in, blackrock, dun laoghaire, cabinteely, foxrock, rathmichael, Shankill, just to name a few in south county Dublin.

Mrsmum · 12-02-2019 11:49pm

curioser wrote: »

Has it been established that the reason for the attack is anything to do with the plan to place asylum seekers there? Could there be a purely local motive, maybe to do with the ownership of the place?

I don't believe a local did it at all, by local I mean ordinary John or Mary from Rooskey itself. Arson is just not something your average person would do ever. I'd say it's more likely some sort of roving vigilante type group that are keeping their eye on where AS/migrants are being put in many locations around Ireland.

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 11:49pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

People are going bat shyt crazy over a few families moving to ireland from a war zone. Thats what has me laughing kiddo.

Why did you dodge my question? Why does it bother you so much when people raise concerns over migrant sexual violence?

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 11:52pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't believe a local did it at all, by local I mean ordinary John or Mary from Rooskey itself. Arson is just not something your average person would do ever. I'd say it's more likely some sort of roving vigilante type group that are keeping their eye on where AS/migrants are being put in many locations around Ireland.

You find it so hard to believe that locals in a really rural village of 300ppl are against 80 migrants (plus all the kids they'll have) been located in the village, yet you've no problem believing some "roving vigilante group" traveling around the country burning out places they are due to stay, yet only picked this one?

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-02-2019 11:57pm

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Why did you dodge my question? Why does it bother you so much when people raise concerns over migrant sexual violence?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, it's when they constantly post bullshyte that i reply.

Muslims coming to Ireland, were all doomed! DOOOOOOOOOOOMED i tells ya!

tretorn · 12-02-2019 11:59pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

It has been earmarked for direct provision but is currently empty.

Arson is disgraceful behaviour. I can however feel the frustration of locals. It's absolute madness to locate something like that in this location. Such a small town. What will these people do in a place like this? It's a disaster waiting to happen. These direct provision centres need to be located in larger population centres to give them a better chance to integrate into the community and better understand our culture.

Please stop with this nonsense.

If asylum seekers are Muslim they won’t integrate here. How as a woman can you integrate with Irish people if you can’t be in male company without a chaperone. How can you integrate with other women if you are covered head to toe with just your eyes visible.

Muslims have lived in great numbers in France and the UK for decades, these two countries have suffered the most from terrorism, France in particular is destroyed and Germany will be the same in two decades.

Mrsmum · 13-02-2019 12:00am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

You find it so hard to believe that locals in a really rural village of 300ppl are against 80 migrants (plus all the kids they'll have) been located in the village, yet you've no problem believing some "roving vigilante group" traveling around the country burning out places they are due to stay, yet only picked this one?

Yeah. I don't think Rooskey is a good fit for those 80 AS and I'm sure the people there wouldn't be very pleased about it based on very valid concerns but yeah I don't think most ordinary people would commit arson. Is that so hard to believe.

Ultimate Seduction · 13-02-2019 12:02am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It doesn't bother me in the slightest, it's when they constantly post bullshyte that i reply.

Muslims coming to Ireland, were all doomed! DOOOOOOOOOOOMED i tells ya!

I think your the first person on this thread to mention religion?

Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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