Where's the deterrent for shіthead scumbags in society?

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 8:51pm #1

I just walked past a car parked outside a takeaway. There was a GPS on the dashboard, still illuminated.

As I walked past the car, filthy scum who were congregating nearby walked over and attempted to open the door. Just at that moment, the owner of the car who it turned out was a delivery driver appeared out of the door of the takeaway and ran them.

I'm sure if he hadn't appeared or there wasn't anyone else around, then they probably would have smashed the window to retrieve the GPS because there'd be absolutely no consequences for them.

Why is there no consequences for being scum vermin in Ireland?

Oops! · 30-03-2019 8:53pm

2 words..... Legal system.

Your Face · 30-03-2019 8:55pm

Nothing actually happened.

Atoms for Peace · 30-03-2019 8:55pm

2000 AD style judges.

Sorry about that · 30-03-2019 8:56pm

"You know what I blame this on the breakdown of?" "Society".
Moe Szyslak

mickdw · 30-03-2019 8:59pm

Welfare is regarded a minimum living allowance so no financial penalty for them once they are on the dole.
I believe fines/ compensation should be taken directly from welfare payments when scum misbehave.

Signore Fancy Pants · 30-03-2019 8:59pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

II'm sure if he hadn't appeared...

Crock Rock wrote: »

Why is there no consequences for being scum vermin in Ireland?

Wouldnt you have been the consequence?

Are you saying you wouldnt have intervened?

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 8:59pm

Oops! wrote: »

2 words..... Legal system.

Everyone makes mistakes and some people can be easily led into making a mistake ........but, c'mon. There are people out there with 30+ previous convictions!

I'm in favour of leniency for the first fuck up, thereafter the punishment should be severe. Why don't we have mandatory sentencing for each specific crime, if found guilty, you must serve a specific sentence.

In certain jurisdictions, the scumbag who'd have stolen the GPS would be penalised for several offences in one, criminal damage (to the glass). breaking an entry (to the car), theft (of the GPS), perjury (presumably they'd lie in court), resisting arrest (they'd probably try to run too).

Here, they'd get a suspended sentence and the hard working delivery man would have to claim from his OWN insurance for the damage to his car.

It's just not fair.

TheValeyard · 30-03-2019 9:00pm

Batman

mad muffin · 30-03-2019 9:00pm

The purge will be a reality in the future.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:01pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

I just walked past a car parked outside a takeaway. There was a GPS on the dashboard, still illuminated.

As I walked past the car, filthy scum who were congregating nearby walked over and attempted to open the door. Just at that moment, the owner of the car who it turned out was a delivery driver appeared out of the door of the takeaway and ran them.

I'm sure if he hadn't appeared or there wasn't anyone else around, then they probably would have smashed the window to retrieve the GPS because there'd be absolutely no consequences for them.

Why is there no consequences for being scum vermin in Ireland?

There are consequences. They get 30+ convictions.

cannotlogin · 30-03-2019 9:01pm

Anyone else read that as "what's the detergent for scum?"

Signore Fancy Pants · 30-03-2019 9:01pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Batman

Na na na na na na na na na na Manbat!

pjohnson · 30-03-2019 9:01pm

Dale Doback wrote: »

Wouldnt you have been the consequence?

Are you saying you wouldnt have intervened?

He posted on boards?

Duane Dibbley · 30-03-2019 9:02pm

The Legal system in Ireland is fooked

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:02pm

Dale Doback wrote: »

Wouldnt you have been the consequence?

Are you saying you wouldnt have intervened?

It all happened so quickly as I approached I barely got time to think. I probably would have shouted or done something to draw other peope's attention to them.

If I touched one of them, God knows they could have had a knife or I'd be up for assault myself.

And because I actually work hard for my money, I'd end up having to pay compensation to them.

Tacklebox · 30-03-2019 9:02pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

2000 AD style judges.

Judge death could clean up a lot of places, but mind you he could vaporise you if you had your shoe laces undone.

Seen him do it in an old comic, it was a health and safety issue, sentence death.

That was before he went from being human to d'eath

noubliezjamais · 30-03-2019 9:04pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

It's just not fair.

Life isn't fair they say.

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:04pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There are consequences. They get 30+ convictions.

Which makes little or no difference. It's not like they'll be looking for work. :rolleyes:

Your Face · 30-03-2019 9:06pm

It seems to be going this way, so - HITLER !

no.8 · 30-03-2019 9:06pm

Minigun?

Signore Fancy Pants · 30-03-2019 9:06pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

It all happened so quickly as I approached I barely got time to think. I probably would have shouted or done something to draw other peope's attention to them.

If I touched one of them, God knows they could have had a knife or I'd be up for assault myself.

And because I actually work hard for my money, I'd end up having to pay compensation to them.

For Allah's sake man!

Have you no karate, bow hunting or nunchuck skills at all? Have you never hunted Wolverines with a 12 Gauge?

Pfft

upinsmoke · 30-03-2019 9:10pm

Solicitor: Ah sure they had a rough upbringing, depression, drug problem, currently looking for work, remorseful, hasn't been in trouble since the incident.

Judge: Throw that man a six month suspended sentence.

6 months down the line after defendant commits a more serious crime

Solicitor: He is now getting treatment for his depression and drug problem, he was off his head when it happened.

Judge: Great to hear, we'll just give him a three month suspended sentence this time so. Great to hear he is getting help

34 crimes later and the same ****e is spouted

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:15pm

With so many unemployable filthy scum vermin out there, is it possible that some of them are related to ordinary people?

Some Yoke · 30-03-2019 9:16pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There are consequences. They get 30+ convictions.

Yeah so a guy last year with 30+ previous convictions, barred from driving by the court yet somehow drives a car with no brakes no insurance no licence and resultingly writes off my car, leaves the scene of the accident, and even on paper is officially at fault, witnesses present for the guards.. and they do nothing. Only got him to go to the Garda station cos they found his dole card on the street. He gets advice off a solicitor to claim he was unaware who was driving at the time of the crash and has since faced no consequences.

I don't believe you

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:17pm

Why can't the scum be forced into a textile factory to make clothes for sale in shops around Ireland.
Or some other form of slave labour.

Slave labour was used in Nazi Germany and I completely agree with it for scum vermin.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:18pm

Some Yoke wrote: »

Yeah so a guy last year with 30+ previous convictions, barred from driving by the court yet somehow drives a car with no brakes no insurance no licence and resultingly writes off my car, leaves the scene of the accident, and even on paper is officially at fault, witnesses present for the guards.. and they do nothing. Only got him to go to the Garda station cos they found his dole card on the street. He gets advice off a solicitor to claim he was unaware who was driving at the time of the crash and has since faced no consequences.

I don't believe you

I don't know anything about him. Who is he?

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:18pm

Some Yoke wrote: »

Yeah so a guy last year with 30+ previous convictions, barred from driving by the court yet somehow drives a car with no brakes no insurance no licence and resultingly writes off my car, leaves the scene of the accident, and even on paper is officially at fault, witnesses present for the guards.. and they do nothing. Only got him to go to the Garda station cos they found his dole card on the street. He gets advice off a solicitor to claim he was unaware who was driving at the time of the crash and has since faced no consequences.

I don't believe you

Jesus, I'm so sorry that you had to face that shit. Presumably you ended up having to pay for it yourself. Did it cost much??

SoundsRight · 30-03-2019 9:21pm

+1 for slave labour. I'd introduce sterilisation too. A lot of these scumbags are 2nd/3ed generation scroungers. Not everything in the Third Reich was terrible

jay0109 · 30-03-2019 9:23pm

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

The Legal system in Ireland is fooked

Not if your a Solicitor/Barrister/Judge. It's a great system if your part of the racket

One eyed Jack · 30-03-2019 9:23pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

In certain jurisdictions, the scumbag who'd have stolen the GPS would be penalised for several offences in one, criminal damage (to the glass). breaking an entry (to the car), theft (of the GPS), perjury (presumably they'd lie in court), resisting arrest (they'd probably try to run too).

In this jurisdiction, there exists the concept of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. It’s a rather long winded way of saying we don’t penalise innocent people. The scumbags in your story didn’t actually commit any crime, and you have them already on the run :pac:

Some Yoke · 30-03-2019 9:25pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't know anything about him. Who is he?

No problem. Do you want more examples of guys like that too?
Have plenty

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:26pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

In this jurisdiction, there exists the concept of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. It’s a rather long winded way of saying we don’t penalise innocent people. The scumbags in your story didn’t actually commit any crime, and you have them already on the run :pac:

I know. Poor wording on my part.

What I meant was if he HAD actually stolen the GPS.
I'm comparing what would hypothetically happen to him / her in Ireland compared to elsewhere.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:27pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

I know. Poor wording on my part.

What I meant was if he HAD actually stolen the GPS.
I'm comparing what would hypothetically happen to him / her in Ireland compared to elsewhere.

The only comparison you offered so far is Nazi Germany.

corks finest · 30-03-2019 9:28pm

Oops! wrote: »

2 words..... Legal system.

2 words-bad parenting

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:28pm

Some Yoke wrote: »

No problem. Do you want more examples of guys like that too?
Have plenty

There is a website with details of court cases. If you can give links from there go ahead.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:30pm

corks finest wrote: »

2 words-bad parenting

I think someone who describes other people as filthy scum vermin only suitable for slave labour, lost out a bit in the parenting stakes as well.

Crock Rock · 30-03-2019 9:32pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

I know. Poor wording on my part.

What I meant was if he HAD actually stolen the GPS.
I'm comparing what would hypothetically happen to him / her in Ireland compared to elsewhere.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The only comparison you offered so far is Nazi Germany.

Consecutive sentencing exists in the USA.
There, the hypothetical vermin would have been charged with a myriad of offences if he / she smashed a car to steal an item.

Roger Hassenforder · 30-03-2019 9:33pm

We need to start holding parents responsible for their kids. Bail is a joke, and "justice system" moves glacially slow.

This cnut, a tough childhood it seems, unsurprisingly turns into Grade A scrote. A litany of scumbaggery before eventually getting prison. Parents both junkies, kid hadnt a chance.
But society shouldnt have to put up with this shîte.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/pictured-teenager-who-repeatedly-slammed-door-into-girls-head-and-set-fire-to-her-hair-in-sadistic-attack-37966639.html

kowloon · 30-03-2019 9:34pm

Did you just Godwin your own thread?!

Some Yoke · 30-03-2019 9:35pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is a website with details of court cases. If you can give links from there go ahead.

So what consequence did he face then? Have a look at this website yourself I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples. Not giving private details on here but maybe your definition of consequence is more like minor inconvenience. Hope you don't have any run ins with them.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:37pm

Some Yoke wrote: »

So what consequence did he face then? Have a look at this website yourself I'm sure you'll find plenty of examples. Not giving private details on here but maybe your definition of consequence is more like minor inconvenience. Hope you don't have any run ins with them.

What should I search for on the website? They are public documents, so no need to worry about that. You may even have seen reports of the court cases in newspapers?

Spleerbun · 30-03-2019 9:42pm

Would it be fair to say that our welfare system greatly incentivises welfare recipients to have more and more children? And would it also be fair to say that these children often grow up to repeat the same cycle as their parents?

If so, why have we not (or maybe we have and I'm not aware) explored options to reverse this incentivisation? Offer, for example, to increase social welfare benefits to those who agree to sterilisation. Could well be large take up of the offer too. One or two generations later and the numbers of long terms recipients could be significantly down.

Admittedly I have not put a great deal of research into the idea, but if the only objection was on moral grounds as opposed to on a practical level, then full steam ahead

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:48pm

Spleerbun wrote: »

Would it be fair to say that our welfare system greatly incentivises welfare recipients to have more and more children? And would it also be fair to say that these children often grow up to repeat the same cycle as their parents?

If so, why have we not (or maybe we have and I'm not aware) explored options to reverse this incentivisation? Offer, for example, to increase social welfare benefits to those who agree to sterilisation. Could well be large take up of the offer too. One or two generations later and the numbers of long terms recipients could be significantly down.

Admittedly I have not put a great deal of research into the idea, but if the only objection was on moral grounds as opposed to on a practical level, then full steam ahead

When Child Benefit (Childrens Allowance) was introduced in 1944, the payment was only for the third child and subsequent children. Nothing for the first two. Reverting to this or something similar would easier than sterilisation. Back in those days families in general were much larger, despite the lack of generous welfare schemes.

One eyed Jack · 30-03-2019 9:49pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

I know. Poor wording on my part.

What I meant was if he HAD actually stolen the GPS. I'm comparing what would hypothetically happen to him / her in Ireland compared to elsewhere.

I’m not meaning to be obtuse or anything, but you’re using a terrible hypothetical example, when there are many, many examples of crimes which have been committed by juvenile offenders who have a record the length of both my arms outstretched. In your story, nothing would happen to them because they didn’t actually do anything only checking the door of the car was locked so someone else wouldn’t steal the GPS!

I do get where you’re coming from, and the deterrent is simply that they could face any number of potential charges depending upon how the law is applied and what they are actually accused of doing, and what they are found guilty of doing, and there’s a scale of liability and sentencing guidelines and so on, so the idea of putting 17 year old Johnny Uptonogoode behind bars for any kind of a lengthy stretch for thievery is probably not going to happen. In other countries they would be more inclined to lop his hands off or serve him with 100 lashes, but that has yet to be shown to reduce criminal behaviour in those countries.

spurious · 30-03-2019 9:51pm

A good old style war with conscription would clear out lots. We haven't had one in ages.

dxhound2005 · 30-03-2019 9:52pm

spurious wrote: »

A good old style war with conscription would clear out lots. We haven't had one in ages.

War is God's pruning knife.

mikemac2 · 30-03-2019 9:56pm

In olden times we shipped our criminals, convicts and trouble makers to Australia

Party true these days :P

Pinch Flat · 30-03-2019 10:00pm

Eugenics is the only way.

30-03-2019 10:20pm

With limited state resources, I'd be choosing my battles here. And the priority should be really, really serious sentences for people who commit violent or sexual crimes. The legislators and courts are genuinely shameful in all the excuses they make for the perpetrators of this frequently life-destroying violence.

The robbery stuff, while bad etc, is in nowhere near the same category as the above. It's only money/material stuff. That's what we have insurance for. I was reading in today's paper about that 17-year-old Italian student paralysed for life in an attack in Fairview Park by a Dublin scumbag in 1999 James Osborne, who served a few years in prison for destroying that kid's life (and his mother's). There are now far, far too many similar cases of Irish judges sending all the wrong messages regarding punishment to any drunken moron/bad bastard who might want to smash a glass bottle over your head or rape somebody you love (instructively, it was the murder of Declan Flynn for the crime of being gay, also in Fairview Park, in 1982 that resulted in the judge in that case giving suspended sentences to each of the murderers).

Mother of student paralysed in assault thanks Ireland for support: Guido Nasi left with catastrophic brain injury after 1999 attack in Dublin park

El_Bee · 30-03-2019 11:23pm

Crock Rock wrote: »

Why is there no consequences for being scum vermin in Ireland?

We need mechanisms to rid ourselves of our current judiciary, this business of double and at time triple digit convictions walking the street is insanity. Read the court section of the papers, the same rubbish told to the judge over and over, how many times can you hear "oh he's dealing with [x]" or "he fell in with the wrong people", over and over and not pick up on it? how are they this stupid?

Where's the deterrent for shіthead scumbags in society?

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