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The Ornithopod Thread- Hadrosaurs, iguanodonts and kin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Like modern reptiles, hadrosaurs did not have intervertebral discs, suggests study on T. rex bitten specimen:

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ahe.12573
    The flat‐end surfaces of dinosaur vertebral centra led to the presumption that intervertebral discs occupied the space between their vertebrae. A set of fused hadrosaur vertebrae allowed that hypothesis to be tested. The Tyrannosaurus rex responsible for this pathology did not escape unscathed. It left behind a tooth crown that had fractured. Fragments of that tooth were scattered through the intervertebral space, evidencing that there was no solid structure to impede its movement. That eliminates the possibility of an intervertebral disc and instead proves the presence of an articular space, similar to that in modern reptiles, but at variance to what is noted in birds. While avian cervical vertebral centra appear to be separated by diarthrodial joints, the preponderance of their thoracic vertebral centra is not separated by synovial joints.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Early Cretaceous ornithopods found in China, described as new species Changmiania liaoningensis. Changmian means "eternal sleep" in Chinese, as the creatures were apparently preserved by volcanic ash while sleeping inside their burrow. The animal shows adaptations to a fossorial (burrowing) lifestyle including a shovel-shaped nose and thick, powerful neck and shoulders. This adds to the growing evidence that small ornithischians were often living in burrows.

    The animal appears to be a most primitive form of ornithopod despite being contemporary with Iguanodon.

    https://www.naturalsciences.be/en/news/item/19274

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Ajnabia, the very first hadrosaur from Africa, discovered in Morocco. The morphology suggests it was a lambeosaurine (crested duckbill) related to the ones found in Spain such as Arenysaurus.


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    https://www.nicklongrich.com/blog/ajnabia-odysseus-the-first-duckbill-dinosaur-from-africa?fbclid=IwAR07-Y_rzgrGHGf9EutpFh6e-17sr8719u3frVNTyUd9reQcW6fRjUk9gg4

    The author suggests that, in the absence of land bridges, hadrosaur may have swam or floated across the sea to colonize continents- not just Africa but South America too.


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    Adam Khor wrote: »
    The author suggests that, in the absence of land bridges, hadrosaur may have swam or floated across the sea to colonize continents- not just Africa but South America too.
    Floated across Bering Strait to North America. Then migrated south? Or island hopped east across south Pacific? Kon-Tiki hadrosaurs? Unsure about continental drift 65 million plus years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Fathom wrote: »
    Floated across Bering Strait to North America. Then migrated south? Or island hopped east across south Pacific? Kon-Tiki hadrosaurs?


    Unsure about continental drift 65 million plus years ago.


    Asia and North America were connected by land (the so called Beringian land bridge) for most of the Cretaceous; dinosaurs would've walked from one continent to the other.

    On the other hand, there's no evidence thus far of a land bridge between North and South America at the time. Hadrosaur remains are very common in Mexico, however, including those of Kritosaurus (the South American hadrosaurs are very much like Kritosaurus, with the better known being Kritosaurus australis (=Secernosaurus?), so they probably did island-hop, swim or float to South America from what is today Mexico.


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    Adam Khor wrote: »
    On the other hand, there's no evidence thus far of a land bridge between North and South America at the time. Hadrosaur remains are very common in Mexico, however, including those of Kritosaurus (the South American hadrosaurs are very much like Kritosaurus, with the better known being Kritosaurus australis (=Secernosaurus?), so they probably did island-hop, swim or float to South America from what is today Mexico.
    Higher ocean levels? Smaller polar caps? Wonders if the same will occur with continued global warming?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Fathom wrote: »
    Higher ocean levels? Smaller polar caps? Wonders if the same will occur with continued global warming?

    Yes, around 250 m higher than today's sea levels, on average, IIRC.

    Here's National Geographic's take on what the world is heading to if the current global warming trend continues. You can see Central America becomes practically a chain of islands- eventually, both Americas could indeed become isolated again.

    Interesting to see that the Amazon would again be connected to the Atlantic, as it was originally back in the days of the giant caiman Purussaurus.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2013/09/rising-seas-ice-melt-new-shoreline-maps/


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    Adam Khor wrote: »
    Yes, around 250 m higher than today's sea levels, on average, IIRC. Here's National Geographic's take on what the world is heading to if the current global warming trend continues. You can see Central America becomes practically a chain of islands- eventually, both Americas could indeed become isolated again.
    Read about various climate change models. One or more suggested that global warming would not be a simple straight line event. Rather, there may be a tipping point. Beyond which change may go up geometrically. From gradual to more sudden and consequential. Cannot remember the source. Perhaps from materials promulgated by Al Gore. Would hadrosaurs float without the aid of swimming? Then move their legs and tail to navigate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Fathom wrote: »
    Would hadrosaurs float without the aid of swimming? Then move their legs and tail to navigate?

    I would imagine they'd use their legs when swimming, but they really weren´t made for it so to speak- the idea of aquatic hadrosaurs has long been out of favor.

    The hadrosaur tail was very rigid, held stiff by special ossified tendons. This made the tail useful for counterbalance and maybe for defense, but it was not flexible enough to aid in swimming like that of a lizard or a crocodile.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Famous hadrosaur Parasaurolophus reexamined. The paper includes an analysis not only of the Parasaurolophus holotype but also of the animal's portrayals in paleoart throughout the years. The most interesting find is that the "saddle" or kink on the anterior spine of the holotype is actually a pathological feature, likely caused by a heavy object, possibly a tree, that fell on top of the animal at some point.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.13363#.X9M5wOqaeOY.twitter

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    Wonder why Hadrosaurs were so prolific?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    You mean prolific as a group, as in speciose, or prolific regarding the number of eggs they lay?

    The key to their success as a group has often been suggested to be their masticatory apparatus, which was pretty sophisticated for a reptile. They had "dental batteries" consisting of many rows of teeth (hundreds of them) which were constantly being worn down and replaced, a little bit like shark teeth (except instead of falling out they'd be reabsorbed when worn out and new ones would erupt to occupy their place). This ensured that hadrosaurs were never left toothless (unlike say, elephants, which have only six sets of molars during their lives and often die of starvation once they have worn the last one).

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    The dental batteries functioned as a grinding surface, like a mammal's molars, allowing them to process hard, fibrous plant material that other dinosaurs could not eat (most plant-eating dinosaurs either had very simple masticatory capabilities, or none at all, using their beak or front teeth to crop vegetation and basically swallowing it whole).

    This would have allowed hadrosaurs to feed on a wide array of foods and fill ecological niches with very little competition. Another advantage they had was their large size and the ability to stand on their hind legs to reach food located at 4 m above ground or more, again minimizing competition with other dinosaurs (the golden age of hadrosaurs was the late Cretaceous, when sauropods had become rare in the Northern Hemisphere. Perhaps it is no coincidence that hadrosaurs, although certainly present in South America, for example, never became as abundant and speciose as they did in the north; sauropods were very much still in business in the southern hemisphere all the way to the KT extinction).

    As for why they lay so many eggs, I'd imagine for the same reasons ostriches, crocodiles and turtles do- to increase chances of survival of at least some of the clutch. Baby hadrosaurs also grew very rapidly to minimize their chances of being eaten by smaller predators.


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    Thanks Adam for indepth answer. Something I could sink my teeth into.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭Adam Khor


    Well preserved skull of a Parasaurolophus found. The skull is interesting because it belonged to a juvenile and shows exactly how the iconic animal's crest was formed. It also confirms the short-crested Parasaurolophus cyrtocristatus as a valid species (the long-crested Parasaurolophus walkeri is the one most often depicted in popular media).


    http://www.sci-news.com/paleontology/parasaurolophus-cyrtocristatus-09292.html

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