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Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 10:23pm

ThePott wrote: »

Guessing Drew might return next week to disrupt the title match and it will be Drew and Lashley at Fastlane.

I say that's the wrestlemania match no?

Building Lashley like a beast now.

PTH2009 · 23-02-2021 10:32pm

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I say that's the wrestlemania match no?

Building Lashley like a beast now.

I like Lashley and think he has great matches with the bigger guys like Braun, Drew etc. Im guessing Bad Bunny will cost the Miz the title either on raw next week or at Fastlane setting up a BS Mania tag match or something between Bunny/Priest and Miz/Morrison

Lashley as champ vs Drew at mania could be good

That orton thing was a WTF is happening moment and FFS wwe just bring back the Fiend and be done with it

Billy Ocean · 23-02-2021 11:38pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Its a horrible accident. Bazsler, despite being a legit fighter is fairly safe in the ring usually.

Raw was an ok show, the wasted potential is massive.

you could see her checking on her straight away, probably apologising too.

Latest rumours are Miz won't be involved in a wrestlemania main event but lashley will, most likely scenario could be McIntyre to win back the title at Mania and finally get his moment in front of a live crowd.

beakerjoe · 24-02-2021 12:57am

Billy Ocean wrote: »

you could see her checking on her straight away, probably apologising too.

Latest rumours are Miz won't be involved in a wrestlemania main event but lashley will, most likely scenario could be McIntyre to win back the title at Mania and finally get his moment in front of a live crowd.

It sucks that it happened, but it gives you a decent feud when Asuka is back in action.

Nah, they'll just go with old Charlotte right?

Itssoeasy · 24-02-2021 1:31pm

So did Charlotte tell ric to go home again ? That’s what the YouTube Video says she did. This isn’t the first time she’s said this. Honesty can the wwe creative team stop using something that was in the show sister sister over 20 years ago ?

Itssoeasy · 24-02-2021 1:34pm

Billy Ocean wrote: »

you could see her checking on her straight away, probably apologising too.

Latest rumours are Miz won't be involved in a wrestlemania main event but lashley will, most likely scenario could be McIntyre to win back the title at Mania and finally get his moment in front of a live crowd.

So the non Charlotte reaction ? The times I’ve heard Her speak she comes across very well. Accidents happen but as a wresting fan I appreciate when it’s clear wrestlers show concern.

JP Liz V1 · 24-02-2021 2:22pm

Billy Ocean wrote: »

you could see her checking on her straight away, probably apologising too.

Latest rumours are Miz won't be involved in a wrestlemania main event but lashley will, most likely scenario could be McIntyre to win back the title at Mania and finally get his moment in front of a live crowd.

I was more interested invested in Drew vs. Sheamus

The White Wolf · 24-02-2021 3:07pm

Drew dealing with a dominant Lashley along with the rest of the Hurt Business does sound slightly more appealing than Seamus but not by much.

Sheamus seemed to look at Drew in amazement and respect during the Chamber match, wonder if he will turn back again.

Furious-Red · 24-02-2021 3:17pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

Drew dealing with a dominant Lashley along with the rest of the Hurt Business does sound slightly more appealing than Seamus but not by much.

Sheamus seemed to look at Drew in amazement and respect during the Chamber match, wonder if he will turn back again.

They would have been better saving the heel turn by Sheamus until near the end of this Lashley feud

The White Wolf · 24-02-2021 3:44pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

They would have been better saving the heel turn by Sheamus until near the end of this Lashley feud

Yes it does have a bang of changing direction suddenly.

Bigfatmichael · 24-02-2021 3:56pm

I can see a Seamus Vs Lashley Vs McIntyre happening for wrestlemania.

beakerjoe · 24-02-2021 4:01pm

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I can see a Seamus Vs Lashley Vs McIntyre happening for wrestlemania.

Bang of midcard feud off that. Does Drew no favours.

The White Wolf · 24-02-2021 4:33pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Bang of midcard feud off that. Does Drew no favours.

I think it could be entertaining if they can have all of the Hurt Business stacking the odds against Drew.

But yeah, while Lashley's booking has improved the sudden dropping of the US Title for a Main Event run with the World Title ain't great.

beakerjoe · 24-02-2021 5:01pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

I think it could be entertaining if they can have all of the Hurt Business stacking the odds against Drew.

But yeah, while Lashley's booking has improved the sudden dropping of the US Title for a Main Event run with the World Title ain't great.

It might be decent and even The Miz's involvement is grand. But it doesn't come off as a main event feud at all.

Miz has won 3 single matches in the last 13 months. You cant just bump him to the main event without him being booked somewhat strong.

Bobby, while booked relatively strong, still doesn't come off as a main eventer for me. It brings Drew down to their level rather elevate those around him.

Its simply not a main event feud, let alone a Wrestlemania main event feud.

JP Liz V1 · 01-03-2021 6:31pm

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1366433054827438085

J. Marston · 01-03-2021 6:33pm

JoMo shenanigans or a clean title change?

daithi1989 · 01-03-2021 7:19pm

J. Marston wrote: »

JoMo shenanigans or a clean title change?

Knowing WWE... Clean title defence!

JP Liz V1 · 01-03-2021 8:06pm

Is Drew back tonight? I guess he will want his title back so after Miz or Lashley

PTH2009 · 01-03-2021 8:56pm

Id be very surprised if Bobby wins the title tonight

Either going to be someone interfering and the match will be moved to Fastlane where he will win. Maybe a triple threat Miz vs Lashley vs Drew

CastorTroy · 01-03-2021 10:40pm

Can't wait for this week's Bad Bunny appearance. Must be one of the longest single reign 24/7 champions.

Agent Coulson · 01-03-2021 11:24pm

The show the Miz first made is name on The Real World is having a huge reunion revival on Peacock starting on the 4th in one way I'm surprised Peacock and The WWE aren't doing a tie in for when the Network goes live on Peacock later in the month.

bassy · 02-03-2021 1:59am

spoiler

bobby wins the title.

PTH2009 · 02-03-2021 2:16am

Bobby Lashley loves his 9pm deadlines

Sheamus vs Drew Ireland vs Scotland nice good old fashioned brawl hopefully

PTH2009 · 02-03-2021 3:07am

Miz going with the cowardly option

PTH2009 · 02-03-2021 3:14am

Wtf braun teaming with Adam Pearse

PTH2009 · 02-03-2021 3:23am

Yep Braun vs Shane is happening at Mania

RollieFingers · 02-03-2021 8:35am

Fake Orton on the TV talking to real Orton due to Bliss and her magic jack in the box has to be up there with Warrior appearing in the mirror to Hogan in WCW in 98 for the finest of wrestlecrap, it's so bad. Raw is always good for a laugh of a Tuesday morning in fairness.

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 9:15am

RollieFingers wrote: »

Fake Orton on the TV talking to real Orton due to Bliss and her magic jack in the box has to be up there with Warrior appearing in the mirror to Hogan in WCW in 98 for the finest of wrestlecrap, it's so bad. Raw is always good for a laugh of a Tuesday morning in fairness.

Right!? And people will actively argue that it's good and that we're all biased and crazy for pointing out how awful it actually is!

connemara man · 02-03-2021 9:19am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Right!? And people will actively argue that it's good and that we're all biased and crazy for pointing out how awful it actually is!

I can think something is crap but enjoy it.

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 9:22am

connemara man wrote: »

I can think something is crap but enjoy it.

Dude, what? How does that work?

connemara man · 02-03-2021 9:35am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Dude, what? How does that work?

I find enjoyment in it, I acknowledge that it's not everyone's cup of tea, I know it's trash. Like how people enjoy reality TV but acknowledge it's awful

Like during the draft one year I created a roster full and dedicated to this type of Shenanigans

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 10:11am

connemara man wrote: »

I find enjoyment in it, I acknowledge that it's not everyone's cup of tea, I know it's trash. Like how people enjoy reality TV but acknowledge it's awful

Like during the draft one year I created a roster full and dedicated to this type of Shenanigans

I mean my only thing with that would be that WWE is a brand within a genre, reality TV is itself a genre. So within that genre you might have really good Reality TV shows, and you might have really bad reality TV shows. Equally, within pro wrestling, you might have really good pro wrestling shows, and really bad pro wrestling shows (Raw being the worst).

daithi1989 · 02-03-2021 10:35am

So the whole show is being judged on one 3-4 min segment? Out of 180 min (or even 150 without the ads, give or take).. So 3 min of 150 min is 2% of the show!

What about the Sheamus/Drew match? Where they kicked the crap out of each other for 20-25 min?

And again, people have called for new match ups and challengers - last night crowned a First Time Champ in Lashley! And yet, LOB comes on here, as he does every week and focused on the 2% of the show which was trash!

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 10:44am

daithi1989 wrote: »

So the whole show is being judged on one 3-4 min segment? Out of 180 min (or even 150 without the ads, give or take).. So 3 min of 150 min is 2% of the show!

What about the Sheamus/Drew match? Where they kicked the crap out of each other for 20-25 min?

And again, people have called for new match ups and challengers - last night crowned a First Time Champ in Lashley! And yet, LOB comes on here, as he does every week and focused on the 2% of the show which was trash!

There's literally a man who is possessed and now there's 2 of him on screen. Who in the name of God would not focus on that? And it's not even one of their dumb undercard guys, it's one of their "stars" whose going into one of the top billed matches at Wrestlemania! So yes, the 2% of the show where there's now an "Evil" Orton to go alongside "Regular" Orton did rather catch my attention!

B.A._Baracus · 02-03-2021 10:53am

I remember a time when the RAW thread was buzzing when the show was live. Pages of people posting.

Granted, we are going back to 2011-2014. One could argue more people were out of work due to recession. But covid is here and a lot of people are out of work too yet the pages do be baron by comparison

Officer999 · 02-03-2021 11:00am

Are we getting Strowman vs Shane O Mac at Wrestlemania?

connemara man · 02-03-2021 11:09am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I mean my only thing with that would be that WWE is a brand within a genre, reality TV is itself a genre. So within that genre you might have really good Reality TV shows, and you might have really bad reality TV shows. Equally, within pro wrestling, you might have really good pro wrestling shows, and really bad pro wrestling shows (Raw being the worst).

Look for me the Fiend Bliss Orton stuff is more interesting than Shane getting thrown of something because he's facing Braun.

It's different it's silly and inside the world of WWE is allowed. The world of Bland that WWE (Smack down is slightly better than Raw) have created makes me as a viewer lean into the more wrestle crap stuff. Very little is real or passionate so the mental entertains me

Bobby winning is great aswell he's been booked well but his reliance on MVP might hold him back. I hope not

But under that the womens division is in a constant holding pattern, and the low - midcard is non existent. There are no stories that interest me as WWE is very much I want that now, I don't like you, book 50-50 no one looke better rinse repeat

It's different strokes for different folks and in a 3 hour show they throw everything at it so some people will like something but not everyone will like everything. Most TV shows have the A story the B story and the C story, all to keep interest or just create time and space for the others. I mightn't like the A line this week but B and C hook me in I mightn't like the C one week but the A and B are interesting

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 11:12am

connemara man wrote: »

Look for me the Fiend Bliss Orton stuff is more interesting than Shane getting thrown of something because he's facing Braun.

It's different it's silly and inside the world of WWE is allowed. The world of Bland that WWE (Smack down is slightly better than Raw) have created makes me as a viewer lean into the more wrestle crap stuff. Very little is real or passionate so the mental entertains me

Bobby winning is great aswell he's been booked well but his reliance on MVP might hold him back. I hope not

But under that the womens division is in a constant holding pattern, and the low - midcard is non existent. There are no stories that interest me as WWE is very much I want that now, I don't like you, book 50-50 no one looke better rinse repeat

I mean, if you're into Wrestlecrap current WWE might be the absolute peak of your wrestling fandom. If that's what you like I'm not gonna criticise you for it, everyone has their thing. If you've not already watched it, Jim Herd era WCW and latter day WCW might also be up your alley.

RocketRaccoon · 02-03-2021 11:13am

I'd love to see how the people giving out here would have reacted to May Young giving birth to a hand way back. Or any of the other ridiculous storylines that ran back when I watched religiously.

daithi1989 · 02-03-2021 11:18am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I mean, if you're into Wrestlecrap current WWE might be the absolute peak of your wrestling fandom. If that's what you like I'm not gonna criticise you for it, everyone has their thing. If you've not already watched it, Jim Herd era WCW and latter day WCW might also be up your alley.

And yet, you also continue to follow Raw.... I’ve lost count now on how many weeks in a row you have come on here on Tuesday’s and just lambasted everything WWE produced the night before..

Honestly, if you dislike the product this much, why come back and watch it week in, week out?

connemara man · 02-03-2021 11:20am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I mean, if you're into Wrestlecrap current WWE might be the absolute peak of your wrestling fandom. If that's what you like I'm not gonna criticise you for it, everyone has their thing. If you've not already watched it, Jim Herd era WCW and latter day WCW might also be up your alley.

I've read your posts on WWE and I'd bday we agree on more than we disagree on. It's just in the world of meh I find entertainment in the odd where you don't like it. That's grand different strokes for different folks. And the odd has to be in context aswell I liked the Undertakers shenanigans, but the boogieman could be a stretch.
But in the same vain I like Kurt Angle but when they tried to turn Jack Swagger into him light it didn't work for me because he wasn't his own person ( and he wasn't and maybe never will be ready for that level)

I like lots of different things I find wrestling to be like a tin of roses some stuff I like some stuff I don't and some stuff I'll try because it's different

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 11:23am

daithi1989 wrote: »

And yet, you also continue to follow Raw.... I’ve lost count now on how many weeks in a row you have come on here on Tuesday’s and just lambasted everything WWE produced the night before..

Honestly, if you dislike the product this much, why come back and watch it week in, week out?

Two reasons. I see everything. And I like to test my own threshold for pain.

Sirsok · 02-03-2021 11:28am

daithi1989 wrote: »

So the whole show is being judged on one 3-4 min segment? Out of 180 min (or even 150 without the ads, give or take).. So 3 min of 150 min is 2% of the show!

What about the Sheamus/Drew match? Where they kicked the crap out of each other for 20-25 min?

And again, people have called for new match ups and challengers - last night crowned a First Time Champ in Lashley! And yet, LOB comes on here, as he does every week and focused on the 2% of the show which was trash!

In my opinion I find all these moments really dilute any serious moments. After the Firefly Funhouse match at Mania, they brought out Lesnar and McIntyre, and I thought how the feck am I supposed to take this as a serious contest.

The suspension of disbelief and illusion is ruined when you have this fantasy stuff.

LineOfBeauty · 02-03-2021 11:30am

connemara man wrote: »

I've read your posts on WWE and I'd bday we agree on more than we disagree on. It's just in the world of meh I find entertainment in the odd where you don't like it. That's grand different strokes for different folks. And the odd has to be in context aswell I liked the Undertakers shenanigans, but the boogieman could be a stretch.
But in the same vain I like Kurt Angle but when they tried to turn Jack Swagger into him light it didn't work for me because he wasn't his own person ( and he wasn't and maybe never will be ready for that level)

I like lots of different things I find wrestling to be like a tin of roses some stuff I like some stuff I don't and some stuff I'll try because it's different

Sure, and honestly I can't get too worked up at that because you like what you like and where that's consistent then there's not much anybody can say.

Personally this stuff turns me off the product. And I think it creates all sorts of cohesion issues with story and world building. And I think it looks so dumb that you have to be fully ingrained in WWE to find any joy in it. In oh so many ways I hate it that, to go in depth on it, would actually take me hours of writing.

But really the only thing fan wise that winds me up is when people try to tell me "actually it's good because..." and they twist themselves in knots trying to make a case for it being high art. You accept you're watching wrestlecrap, fair enough really.

Insect Overlord · 02-03-2021 1:23pm

I don't know about the rest of ye, but I feckin' loved the kayfabe Undertaker and Kane stuff when I was a kid. The fire, the darkness, the urn, their whole ridiculous soap opera back story, it was the best part of WWF when I was getting into wrestling. Even the stuff with Gangrel and the Brood was cool. Put yourself in the shoes of the younger viewers for those segments and embrace a bit of the magic and mystery.

J. Marston · 02-03-2021 1:36pm

Hurt Business is the best stable in all of wrestling right now.

Sirsok · 02-03-2021 1:37pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I don't know about the rest of ye, but I feckin' loved the kayfabe Undertaker and Kane stuff when I was a kid. The fire, the darkness, the urn, their whole ridiculous soap opera back story, it was the best part of WWF when I was getting into wrestling. Even the stuff with Gangrel and the Brood was cool. Put yourself in the shoes of the younger viewers for those segments and embrace a bit of the magic and mystery.

I know where you are coming from, but at that time the whole show was wacky and wild with dark undertones coming from a cartoony era.

Whereas now Superstars are presented as this realistic characters, with not alot of gimmicks or flavour. Everyone has their name and wears black tights for the most part.

Then you have The Fiend, who was such a departure initially it was great. But time and time again they have made the character a joke with their goo. He doesn't seem menacing , he is just a d!Ckhead in a mask now.

I like AEW wanting to stay away from fantasy ( Hardy teleportation stuff was an admitted mistake)

Necro · 02-03-2021 1:53pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I mean, if you're into Wrestlecrap current WWE might be the absolute peak of your wrestling fandom. If that's what you like I'm not gonna criticise you for it, everyone has their thing. If you've not already watched it, Jim Herd era WCW and latter day WCW might also be up your alley.

Ah yeah, no point arguing with this sort of sh1te. It's LOB's idea of wrestling or your opinion is worthless.

Seriously, what is your problem with people liking different things to you?

CastorTroy · 02-03-2021 1:55pm

Had to laugh at Adam Pearce telling Miz he had until 10 Eastern. I know it was done for the tv audience but would be like me saying to someone "I'll meet you at the cinema at 8 GMT".

Was wondering if they would go ahead with the title change. Was surprised when I realised Lashley never held the title considering some of the former champions. With the way they've booked him over the past months, he can go on to be a dominant champion. of course he just lost the US title to Riddle which kinda diminishes things.
I don't know if it was a callback, but Retribution not throwing Miz back in the ring might be because of their history with the Hurt Business. Likely they just didn't care.

So Bad Bunny now has his own entrance with graphics and all and gets it played when he's just accompanying Priest? Why didn't anyone try to pin him for the title the whole time he was out there?

Wow, big surprise that Charlotte has decided to put herself in the title match at Mania

Necro · 02-03-2021 1:55pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I don't know about the rest of ye, but I feckin' loved the kayfabe Undertaker and Kane stuff when I was a kid. The fire, the darkness, the urn, their whole ridiculous soap opera back story, it was the best part of WWF when I was getting into wrestling. Even the stuff with Gangrel and the Brood was cool. Put yourself in the shoes of the younger viewers for those segments and embrace a bit of the magic and mystery.

Me too. People like different things, it is what it is.

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