Being a Natural Witch...

BEAT · 14-01-2005 3:55pm #1

What are your views on this? I have posted some information below. I consider myself a natural Witch as I was born with certain abilities that are not explainable in science and are passed down from my mothers side of the family. I now have a better grasp on it and am learning to wield my power for good.
I'd love to hear your opinions.

http://www.teenwitch.com/QUESTION.HTM#witch

here they say:
What is a natural witch?

A natural Witch is someone who has a natural Witch talent. If you are a natural Witch, your natural Witch talent will become obvious. Usually this happens fairly early in life, but it can be delayed until late in life.

The most common natural Witch talent is having dreams that foretell the future. Another common natural Witch talent is being naturally accurate with runes, tarot, or other divination.

Anybody can become a Witch, but you have to be born with a Witch talent to be a natural Witch.

If you have a natural Witch talent, learning about Witchcraft and magick will help you learn how to control your natural Witch talent.

These are some excellent sites for witches that offer more explanations and other services:

http://mindrago.tripod.com/Wicca/id18.html

http://www.empathys.co.uk/35.html

http://www.witchvox.com/words/words_1998/e_bornormade.html

Talliesin · 14-01-2005 7:23pm

"Witchcraft" is used to mean various practices including some not related to modern Pagan Witchcraft. I can only speak about modern Pagan Witchcraft...

Operative Witchcraft is a practical matter and as such it is a skill (or a collection of related skills) and as with any other skill some people have a greater natural ability for it than others.

Witchcraft is also a priesthood, and as such it's something that you are either called to or you are not and while that calling is "natural" you can no more be a natural Witch in that sense than you can a natural Jesuit priest.

Being a priesthood implies that it is related to a religion. Many people would refer to that religion as "Wicca". On the other hand many practitioners of some of the older traditions (particularly Gardnerian, Alexandrian and some offshoots that remained quite close to the parent tradition) of modern witchcraft refer to what they do as "Wicca or to themselves as "the Wica" and to what they believe as "the Old Religion" (using that name even if they don't believe it is truly any older than the 1950s) and these people often don't recognise what the other traditions of Witchcraft are doing as "Wicca". Again, you can't be a natural Witch in this sense any more than you can be a natural Lutheran or a natural Buddhist (even those religions that accept membership at birth have some sort of rite in which you become a full adult member, like Confirmation or Bar Mitvah).

Being a priesthood also means it's generally something that one doesn't commence with until adulthood (websites about "teen witches" aside - I'll accept that there are some people who are ready in their teens, some even before they are 18, but they are as common as Mozarts are amongst child musicians). You can certainly prepare for the Craft before then, but that's not the same as practicing it.

Witches would often refer to other witches as being "natural Witches", most often when they can see a lot of talent in someone who is less experienced than themselves. This is similar to how a musician or music teacher might refer to someone as a natural musician; they didn't come out of the womb knowing all how to play the piano. Further those skills could coincide with other natural ability, in the case of music there's a good indication that "natural" musicians are also "natural" mathematicians, though generally only one would be pursued fully as far as being a concert quality musician or a professor of mathematics or a hard science (Einstein is an exception, but he only got to play in concerts because he was famous from the physics). Natural ability at witchcraft would also stand you in good stead for pursuing magical training of another sort and/or linked to another religion (such as Ceremonial Magic).

So yes you can be a "natural Witch", but that doesn't mean you're a Witch yet, or that you necessarily should become one, it just means that you would have a talent for it and training would be relatively easy. On the other hand thinking of yourself as a natural could make it hard to put effort into the same training (sometimes the most talented students are the laziest).

Talliesin · 14-01-2005 7:34pm

BEAT wrote:

http://www.teenwitch.com/QUESTION.HTM#witch

As an aside to the main topic. That is truly a dreadful website. I already said that teenagers that are ready for Witchcraft are extremely rare. In this case I think a first step should be their learning what footnotes and hyperlinks are for so that when they make all sorts of claims they can back it up with something.

BEAT · 14-01-2005 7:47pm

Talliesin wrote:

"
Operative Witchcraft is a practical matter and as such it is a skill (or a collection of related skills) and as with any other skill some people have a greater natural ability for it than others.

Witches would often refer to other witches as being "natural Witches", most often when they can see a lot of talent in someone who is less experienced than themselves.

Natural ability at witchcraft would also stand you in good stead for pursuing magical training of another sort and/or linked to another religion (such as Ceremonial Magic).

So yes you can be a "natural Witch", but that doesn't mean you're a Witch yet, or that you necessarily should become one, it just means that you would have a talent for it and training would be relatively easy. On the other hand thinking of yourself as a natural could make it hard to put effort into the same training (sometimes the most talented students are the laziest).

I picked out these points to elaborate on,
as yes I do have a natural ability towards the craft and while I dont know anyone else learned in the area I must learn what I can on my own on how to control certain abilities. I am very interested in learning and spend so much time researching now that I know more than I ever did but there is so much still to learn.
I can spot other people with the natural talent and seem to draw them towards me,
so I enjoy talkng about it with them and teaching what I know.

Training is what I ultimatley want to do but its hard trying to find somewhere legitimate and true. I have made visits to several metaphysical shops and have yet to run into an actual witch rather than a self proclaimed one that could teach me what I need and want to know.

I hope upon moving back to Ireland I can find somewhere to delve into it more

BEAT · 14-01-2005 7:50pm

Talliesin wrote:

As an aside to the main topic. That is truly a dreadful website. I already said that teenagers that are ready for Witchcraft are extremely rare. In this case I think a first step should be their learning what footnotes and hyperlinks are for so that when they make all sorts of claims they can back it up with something.

heh, ya I was just usuing that link for the passage I posted.

the other links are good ones though if you have a chance to check them out...atleast the witchvox one is

miss_e_lizabeth · 11-05-2006 1:38pm

I think there is such a thing. For some reason 90% of the population is oblivious to it..

Talliesin · 11-05-2006 2:15pm

Oblivious to what?

scorplett · 11-05-2006 2:48pm

There are a number of ways in which somone could be considered a natural ... You can be a natural witch, a natural priest/ess, or born to a line of familial traditional witches. You can also consider yourself natural in the sense of the style of your practice (intuitive and in nature) All are valid expressions of 'natural witch' and bar the working style and being a natural priest/ess you dont usually have much of a choice in the matter. (Although with that exception you probably shouldnt have much choice as people make mistakes and some ppl become priest/ess' when they never really should have, but then thats another topic all togeather)
As Talliesin said, as with any skill you can have an inate drawing or ablility to learning a skill and in applying it with flair and confidance. That is one aspect that can be applied to anything and everything and as such could be applied to any aspect of wicca, witchcraft, craft, ritual, priesthood, energy working and divination just as much as more mainstream skills like painting, poetry, music, dance etc etc...
There is also the 'natural witch' of lineage, that of a family lineage. Passing craft and old ways down family lines from grandmother to mother to daughter (ususally but not exclusivley maternal) I think this is what is most commonly refered to as natural in books and the like but can only refer to the craft side of things, ie. spellcraft, herbcraft, healingcraft etc...
To my mind all of these often seem to be interlinked in the greater web of all traditions and to the living many times of similar paths and that most if not all of those who find their path and live it are in more than one way (and usually all ways) natural in every sense. It is not a badge to wear, it is not even really a distinction that really needs to be made (bar one*) because largley every witch is a natural witch.
The one exception above * is also an exception with regard to priesthood of Gardenarian and Alexandrian (and those offshoots). There are many people who are indeed just as much a witch as anyone else and have just as much power and skill etc as another who seek structured training from recognisable sources. Often the natural progression within those structures it would be the norm to work through the degrees of initiation as a matter of course in order to become a fully fledged witch of that tradition. However, many people, in fact most people who will follow the ways of witchcraft in their daily lives are not meant to be priest/ess's and even fewer are meant to be High priests and priestesses.
I could talk about priesthood for an age as I am sure Talliesin also could. Possobly that in inself would merit being a thread of its own (and maybe even a sticky on it) But as far as the priesthood or gardi lexi trads goes thats prettymuch the nut of it.
Beannacht

joseph dawton · 11-05-2006 4:01pm

Before it became so cool to be a 'witch' some-one with natural abilities would simply be described as psychic. I can't see how having these abilities makes one more inclined to witchcraft as opposed to any other mystical or esoteric path, these skills have been been just as relevant and valuable in traditions other than Wicca.

http://www.electricpublications.com

Nevyn · 11-05-2006 4:25pm

joseph dawton wrote:

Before it became so cool to be a 'witch' some-one with natural abilities would simply be described as psychic.

I disagree ,
I would say all witches are to a degree psychic but not all psychics are witches.

joseph dawton wrote:

I can't see how having these abilities makes one more inclined to witchcraft as opposed to any other mystical or esoteric path, these skills have been been just as relevant and valuable in traditions other than Wicca.

I agree,
but due to the lack of general public awareness of other paths and the rabid
sensationalism about so called wicca finding those other paths can be abit harder.

solas · 11-05-2006 6:03pm

JD wrote:

these skills have been been just as relevant and valuable in traditions other than Wicca.

would have considerd myself a christian mystic in the past.. albeit being a christian anything isn't such a cool thing to be anymore.. Healing would have been tradition in my family.

Nevyn · 11-05-2006 6:27pm

solas wrote:

would have considerd myself a christian mystic in the past.. albeit being a christian anything isn't such a cool thing to be anymore..
Healing would have been tradition in my family.

I think it is, I have meet some wonderful christian people, those that live
thier faith and it lights them up inside and is all thier soul requires and I am happy for them.
It doesn't do that for me, but I have a lot of respect for anyone that has found thier path and for those who are still seeking.

solas · 11-05-2006 6:29pm

well..I found it, but then I fell off it, so I'm still looking. But ye, used to lfill me up to the brim.

miss_e_lizabeth · 12-05-2006 12:15pm

Talliesin wrote:

Oblivious to what?

Oblivious to their natural powers/gifts

Talliesin · 12-05-2006 12:45pm

But what powers or gifts would make them a witch, rather than any other type of magic-worker?

solas · 12-05-2006 3:00pm

I dunno if this is relative but I was always told that folk born with the caul were naturally gifted individuals, not sure if they would be considered natural witches but how and ever.

miss_e_lizabeth · 12-05-2006 7:38pm

Talliesin wrote:

But what powers or gifts would make them a witch, rather than any other type of magic-worker?

you know, I was thinking about this A LOT yesterday.. and I think it doesn't have to be something like the gift of foresight, or anything extremely metaphysical. What about someone who just naturally excells at a sport; they can always shoot the basketball into the basket; or smack the baseball way into the outfield everytime they come up to plate - they just have the ability to do it without having to practice or stress themselves out over it. It's their passion. It's who they are.
Has anyone else ever thought of it this way?

Talliesin · 14-05-2006 11:02pm

That would benefit any magical practice though.

Someone who is called to be a witch will make a witch unless the fight against it strongly. Someone with talents will make of them what they will, but will never be a witch unless that is what they are called to.

The Bollox · 14-05-2006 11:12pm

I like to think of myself as a very open minded person. This topic has greatly grabbed my attention, is there a serious website you could go to in order to find out more information?

Nevyn · 15-05-2006 9:37am

What type of information are you looking for ?

The Bollox · 15-05-2006 10:02am

well the website posted above was just a message board. I am looking for an informative website.

hairyheretic · 15-05-2006 10:31am

There's been a variety of things touched on here, I think you might need to narrow it down a little.

Are you looking for information on wicca (of a particular type), other beliefs, magical practices, etc etc ?

The Bollox · 15-05-2006 11:46am

I suppose a beginners guide to the world of witchcraft, sort of touching on all aspects

joseph dawton · 15-05-2006 4:07pm

Inner magic by Anne Marie Gallagher is a good basics kind of book.
Also Gerald Gardner's books as he started Wicca.

There are also lots of books on druidry, norse paganism, spiritualism etc if you look on amazon. wikipedia.com is also a good place for free background info.

http://www.electricpublications.com

Nevyn · 15-05-2006 4:12pm

A witch alone by marion green is another good book.

scorplett · 15-05-2006 9:08pm

Marts wrote:

I suppose a beginners guide to the world of witchcraft, sort of touching on all aspects

The best beginners book for you will depend greatley as to what aspect of the craft has atracted you to begin with. Is it the concept of ritual, the idea of herblore, the worship of the old gods and goddesses and or the following and celebrating of the seasons and the wheel of the year.
The first book I read was Starhawk's 'The Spiral Dance', as it has been for many. I think that is a great place to start but then everyone will be somewhat bias to their personal fav or first book. An interesting first book and one that might not be found on many lists would be Phillis Curott's 'Book of Shadows', a very interesting book charting one individual's path to the craft. Her second book is a great one for basic skills and spiritual development, that one is called 'Witch Crafting'. There are so many books I could recomend as first books. Let me know what it is that draws you and I can help in narrowing down your search.

Talliesin · 15-05-2006 9:25pm

I'm very fond of Vivianne Crowley's book Wicca, though it's very much about Wicca, rather than Witchcraft generally.

joseph dawton · 16-05-2006 1:57pm

Funny that's the 1st book I read on Wicca too or to give it it's full title "Wicca: The Old Religion in the New Age", I wrongly assumed that she was a relative of Alistair Crowley. I liked her approach it's not whimsical, sensationalist or pop as is true of many others.

It's a lot harder to find a non Wicca book about witchcraft and harder still to find non-Wicca magicians/witches. I know 1 guy who studied Golden Dawn and OTO (which are now pretty much forgotten) and another who was intiated by his auntie into a family tradition, but these are rare exceptions.

Wicca has become so popular it is almost smothering other esoteric paths, especially those that involve spellcraft. I've no beef with Wicca itself (apart from some dodgy offshoots) it's just annoying that since the nineties publishers seem to have leapt on it like a fly discovering a bucket of horse dung!

http://www.electricpublications.com

turbot · 16-05-2006 2:47pm

Witch is a label and a word, that can summarise a variety of spiritual activities and skills.

And so; just because someone has natural psychic / magickal or energetic skills, doesn't automatically make them a witch (in my worldview, based upon how I use such labels)

However, in some peoples worldviews, these same skills are summarised using the label "witch". The is based upon how people make sense of the world, often categorising people into crude categories... ie. someone who does magical practice makes them a witch, even if they study a totally different branch of the occult.

Usually people with more of an understanding of these areas will use more precise labels, such as clairvoyant, clairsentient, mystic... and in practice, many religious / spiritual approaches, at higher levels, include aspects of these skills, though some people are much more naturally gifted than others.

Spirituality is always personal because one persons reality is different to anothers, even if another person thinks they have similar metaphors or appreciations, or use similar labels.

So if you find you have natural intuitive / psychic / magickal skills, this doesn't make you a witch.

If you use these same skills to help you choose wisely what to learn to help develop and refine and make more of your skills, and withcraft appeals to you, then provided you resonate with it and are smart in how you study, it will probably lead to good things.

In terms of learning, the trick is to learn from people who knows what they are talking about, who has good intentions (not who says they have good intentions), and usually, in my opinion, anyone who convinces you they represent your route to God is probably trying to rob you of your spiritual power and money. If you get a bad vibe, probably best to avoid.

As far as I can tell, a lot of youth these days are considerably more intuitive than many of their parents generations. These kids are being called "indigo kids" or sometimes "crystal children". If you find you are naturally intuitive and you know you know, though what school teaches you doesn't explain, you may be indigo.

BTW, a great author discussing these areas is:

Robert Anton Wilson

two of my favourite books of his are:
- Prometheus Rising
and
- The Widows Son

Talliesin · 16-05-2006 4:29pm

joseph dawton wrote:

I've no beef with Wicca itself (apart from some dodgy offshoots) it's just annoying that since the nineties publishers seem to have leapt on it like a fly discovering a bucket of horse dung!

Those books tend to be about the dodgy offshoots you mention, more than about Wicca though.

rebelrebel92 · 30-07-2007 4:03am

I can say Im a natural witch. Its a rarity for older witches or other adults to believe me when I say Im a witch. Im 15 years old, so its a constant thing that I am told that Im just using witchcraft as a means to rebel against my parents. This isnt the case at all. I have the "natural witch" talents described in the earlier posts. Thats not rebellion. Thats exactly what itshould be called, spiritual gifts. My mom had told me stories of how when I was three, I would stare off into space and tell her how things were going to happen. Then they would. They were visions or premonitions so to speak. I cant possibly be rebelling with witchcraft at 3 years old, now can I? I now frequently use tarot cards and candles in my life. I use tarot cards to see how the spell is going to turn out, and if I even should cast the spell. I keep a log of how I did the spell and the results I got. The spells work 90% of the time. As far as teens not being ready for witchcraft, I think that people shouldnt be so quick to judge. And as for natural witches, I am thankful and proud of the gifts I have.

joseph dawton · 30-07-2007 3:53pm

You are very fortunate. Most people lose any abilities in childhood and have to work hard to gain or regain them, that was true in my case. Like anything - driving a car for instance - it's really more about responsibility than age, it's true that teenagers are often lacking in maturity due to lack of life experience but one can hardly blame one for that, it is not something you have any choice about, one cannot grow up instantaniously... however on the other hand some 15 year olds have innate common sense, some have more cop on than certain adults who will never grow up even if they make it to 100.

Agent J · 31-07-2007 10:46am

I'm still trying to grasp the term Natural Witch.

I automatically equate it to what i think when i see the term Organic* on foods in the supermarket...

"Can you point me to the Non Organic Bannanas please?"

Certainly i can accept that some people are more inately aware of it than others and have better control etc etc etc... But the term natural witch just seems a bit redundant.

"Can you point me to the Non Carbon based Witches please?"

*Yes i realise that organic is used to denote that its grown a certain way and free from certain stuff. Still not the point.

31-07-2007 10:48pm

joseph dawton wrote:

You are very fortunate. Most people lose any abilities in childhood and have to work hard to gain or regain them, that was true in my case.

Ditto here, mainly in the case of true dreams

Nevyn · 01-08-2007 12:45am

Agent J wrote:

I'm still trying to grasp the term Natural Witch.

Usually it means self taught.

Talliesin · 02-08-2007 1:25am

rebelrebel92 wrote:

My mom had told me stories of how when I was three, I would stare off into space and tell her how things were going to happen. Then they would. They were visions or premonitions so to speak. I cant possibly be rebelling with witchcraft at 3 years old, now can I?

No, you can't be rebelling at witchcraft at 3 years old, but then you weren't doing witchcraft at 3 years old, you were having psychic experiences.

Certainly useful for a witch, but it's hardly witchcraft.

rebelrebel92 wrote:

As far as teens not being ready for witchcraft, I think that people shouldnt be so quick to judge.

Including the teens.

I certainly wouldn't say that no teen is appropriate for witchcraft, but I would say that very few are.

Some are, just like some have written critically-acclaimed operas or novels, but most haven't.

Even fewer are ready for a religious witchcraft like Wicca or Feri. For that matter I know of some Wiccan elders taking the finishing of formal education as a starting point - being early twenties if you go through third level - and some taking first Saturn Return - being around twenty-nine and a half - as a starting point and considering anyone younger than that as an exception, never mind teenagers. Anyway, this thread is about witchcraft rather than religious witchcraft, but its worth touching on that since it is a Paganism forum after all.

Witches work to have mastery on all the planes. That means being in control of ones mundane life. If you aren't doing stuff like holding down a job and dealing with your own red tape, running a household and so on (not all of those things necessarily - being unemployed doesn't mean you can't be a witch - but having an adult grasp on that side of life) then you haven't got step one nailed yet. Most teenagers don't.

Nevyn · 02-08-2007 2:48am

I disagree I was a witch before I was out of my teen and I was pagan.

But I consider being a 'natural witch' as a misnomer as it is like saying a person is a natural doctor. Both require knowledge and experience in applying that knowledge neither of which a person is 'born' with.

Some people live very packed lives and can cram a lot of experience in a very short space of years.

This would tend to be people who are exceptions but that does ot mean it is not possible.

But the temperance and the gaining of wisdom does take time, research and reflection.

It is all well and good to find yourself doing spontaneous acts of magic but you have to question why and just because you could it does not mean you should.

What motivates you to do such things ?

In terms of religion Wicca and the Andersion tradition are more about being
priest/ess who happen to be witches and that type of responsiblity is never undertake lightly and is for grown ups.

That does not mean a teen can not work on devleoping thier own spiritual practice.

Talliesin · 02-08-2007 10:06am

Thaedydal wrote:

I disagree I was a witch before I was out of my teen and I was pagan.

That doesn't disagree with my argument since I stated from the beginning that there are exceptions.

It also doesn't necessarily mean it was a good idea for you to be a witch that young. Doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad idea either. That's a case by case thing. I do think the magic I did as a teen (though I wasn't a witch then, I did do some magic) was more often a bad idea than a good idea.

Nevyn · 02-08-2007 1:17pm

Which you only see when you look back in hindsight, all babies fall when they try to walk

Nerin · 02-08-2007 2:09pm

i began my spiritual journey when i was 11,yes wat an odd age u must think,but i feel that since im now 20 that starting so young has helped me personally,altho im not recommending everyone starts so young. special circumstances in my case. anyway myself and a female friend started out,i was more into studying whilst she dove into the deep end.
anyway up until i was 16 i could be pigeon holed as a wiccan,being open wasnt in hindsight a great idea for a teenager,especially in such a small area.
i had two mentors,one male who was very serious and into his gardnerian and alexandrian, very ritualictic stuff,and one girl who was more a big sister than anything,whose family were hindu.
from 16 i studied buddhism islam taoism shintoism etc.
now im in college studying humanities.
and now ive no idea what you'd try label me haha
im a solitary pagan, whos beliefs incorparate alot of shinto and older pagan ways,druidism etc

Talliesin · 06-08-2007 9:30pm

Oh, for starting to take responsibility for one's spiritual journey 11 is quite a reasonable age.

The general age of around 9 to 13 is an age at which we are very much still children, but begin to think about adult matters rather than ignore them or take answers from adults for granted. For people in this country where the majority of people are either Christian, of a Christian background or at least know a lot of Christians then 11 is specifically a common age to start dealing with such issues since in that religion they tell their members to do so at that age (through the rite of Confirmation in Catholicism and some but not all of the other denominations, which marks them as adult members of that path).

So yes, I'd say 9-13 generally in life and 11/12 specifically in our culture is when I would most expect there to be a particular staring point in spiritual matters and of course there will be important events earlier than that.

That's a different thing from being a witch - a particular type of magical technician - and a different thing again from being a Wicca - a particular type of priest who is also a witch.

Nevyn · 07-08-2007 12:35pm

nerin wrote:

anyway up until i was 16 i could be pigeon holed as a wiccan,being open wasnt in hindsight a great idea for a teenager,especially in such a small area.

What do you mean by wiccan ?
Do you mean in fact the
"Oathbound, Lineaged, Crossgendered Initiatory, Fertility Cult of Clergy who are Pagans and Witches" which is not for children at all or the neopagan movement that calls it's self wicca and it
just paganism as mostly publish by a certain American publishing house ?

Wicca is not a catch all word for Witchcraft.
Not all witches are pagan.
Not all pagans are witches.
Not all pagan witches are Wiccans.

All Wiccans are pagan and witches.
All Wiccans have proper Wiccan Lineage given by cross gendered initation.
The redes are a poem which gives advice it is not law.
There are laws which are called the ordains.

Wicca is an Oathbound, Lineaged, cross gendered Initiatory, Experiential, Mystery, Fertility Cult of Clergy who are Pagans and Witches.

There are differing Traditions with in Wicca but they are all the same religion and stem from from a particular group of pagan witches in the New Forest area.

nerin wrote:

I had two mentors,one male who was very serious and into his gardnerian and alexandrian, very ritualictic stuff,and one girl who was more a big sister than anything,whose family were hindu.
from 16 i studied buddhism islam taoism shintoism etc.
now im in college studying humanities.
and now ive no idea what you'd try label me haha
im a solitary pagan, whos beliefs incorparate alot of shinto and older pagan ways,druidism etc

I would respect your choice to say that you are pagan.
It is your spiritual connection which makes you that.

Nerin · 07-08-2007 3:19pm

as i said in my original post,my first mentor was heavily involved in gardenerian and alexandrian.
lets not split hairs,but i do believe that its been stated on many occasions that those two systems are "wiccan".
as for initiation,yes,i was initiated,and no,im not a wiccan,although some wiccans i know share my own personal beliefs.
and as for my main reason of distancing myself from wicca, a)most "wiccans" i knew started really pissing me off, ie spells spells spells, yeah, they shouldnt be called wiccans just because they are "witches" and i think that young people who act foolishly really do drag a religion down. and b) gardenerian and alexandrian "wicca" pissed me off with the rituals,i could see that many of the groups were just an excuse to sit around naked. yeah,woo.
and before anyone goes crazy and gives me crap for my above statement,im just saying that was my experience,and of course there are many gardenerian and alexandrians that are genuine and lovely people,just saying the reasons i chose do distance myself from their groups.
the end
lol

Nevyn · 07-08-2007 3:26pm

We all have our own spiritual path to follow and it Wicca wasn't for you then it wasn't for what every reason be it your gods wanted you to be elsewhere or you didn't meet the right people this time around.

There are too many people that seem to think that Wicca is the bee knees and what every pagan should aspire to and tbh that is a load of crap.

Every pagan such aspire to follow thier own path where ever it leads them and to nurture thier own spiritual growth no one path is more valid then an other.

Nerin · 07-08-2007 3:33pm

damn true.
lol i thought u were having a bit of a go at me earlier,hence the wall o text.
i suppose the one good thing about those annoying "wiccans" (faux wiccans lol)
is that they started me out on my own path.

Nevyn · 07-08-2007 3:46pm

Nah the wall of text I find stops faux wiccans in thier tracks
and we try to have some standards about here

and we don't let
people try to claim that wicca is what they want it to be or what SRW spouts.

It can bring clarity to the thread and those posting and spare usually a lot of confusion as to what is being refered to as Wicca.

While those who are Wiccan are beholden to thier oaths to defend thier Brothers and Sisters of the Art there are times when it turns out that either Wicca or certain covens/people is just not a good fit for a person or not what they need or where their gods want them to be.

While this can be a hard process and upseting it tends to be for the best,
joining a coven should be hard to do and leaving one ( esp the wrong one ) should be easy.

Nerin · 07-08-2007 4:05pm

haha true true
yeah i started a coven in that time of my life,implodedon itself there were only two members who were truly spiritual,the others were crazed lunatics who belonged in a camp bmovie

Talliesin · 07-08-2007 6:00pm

I'm sometimes a crazed lunatic who belongs in a camp b-movie. Hey, we can't be all serious all the time

On the topic of how the label "Wicca" gets applied, I think it cuts both ways. Not only does it denigrate Wicca by making it one-size-fit-all, but it also denigrates other forms of witchcraft by implying they aren't good enough on their own merits and have to be dressed up in another's clothes.

Klea · 05-12-2008 6:27am

I'd like to know more about a Natural Witch's traits, other than dreams, premonitions, tarot, etc. My mother has always been into Numerology and Tarot readings, including using a plain deck of cards. I only seem to have dreams... deja vu type experiences. It's interesting, in my experience, I never know when the dream has taken place in reality...it's just a feeling that I have been there before or that particular occurance has happened previously. And I never know (after having the dream) when it may come true...if it's one of those types. I'd like to work on controlling them better. Also, I always believed if my right hand itched, money was coming and if the left hand itched, I owed money... does anyone believe in this sort of thing or is it simply superstition? Any advise or suggestions would be helpful

Lou.m · 07-12-2008 11:23pm

All witches are natural witches.

Unless you get a boob job:-)!!

Part of being a witch is knowing that people have a side to them that is beyond this world and part of something else spirit or what you will call it. All humans have this side to them some are choose to be more in tune with it.

Witchcraft is the practise of using this side to change things in many different ways (extreme simplification here!! I know!).

I was born into a family with magical traditions and felt in tune with it all my life later i did receive my formal training.

EVERYONE and i mean EVERYONE has natural talent it just presents itself differently in all. And some people surprise themselves it is often the the ones who show least talent at first who become amazing witches!

I think sometimes people often are trying to give themselves and EXTRA SPECIAL LABEL in saying hey i am a natural witch well ........ WHAT DO YOU THINK EVERYONE ELSE IS MADE OF PIPE CLEANERS:P:P??

I would have practised psychic skills from a young age with my mother and various family members and some magic skills. Later i practised other things that would be from outside my family that i would have researched. I was initiated into some healing traditions. I then met groups of people and started training. That was some years ago.

I do think sometimes people misunderstand the meaning of natural witch sensing things people spirits places and tarot or whatever is psychic ability. Actually using ceremony or spells techniques that is witchcraft.

So often there is confusion between psychic experiences and witchcraft.

I think sometimes when someone comes to the craft they have this idea that they dont want to admit there is always something someone can teach you it is often an ego thing.

I also think Tallesian is right mastery on all planes ... trying to understand all aspects of life whatever your choices are about them.

I think it is wrong for someone to say my spiritual journey started at whatever age .... it begins at the begining for all of us thats all you can say... birth before birth perhaps but definitely at the begining:P:P

Technically nerin Alexandrian witchcraft is not wiccan technically only Gardenarian withcraft is wiccan but there are very few genuine Gardenarians in Ireland.

And i would just like to say if you find someone who is really just there to sit around naked ( and this has not been my experience ever!!) then i feel very sorry about this i think you just encountered a bad crowd!!

Most covens started by inexperienced people tend to implode. And i dont mean to be rude or anything but in my experience this is true .. most covens started from outside of a tradition and not holding to a tradition tend to implode in time much more so than covens with lineage. I think you need the training from a coven and the experience of being in one for a few years at least and then your own journey hard work and research before you start one.

Starting a coven before your twenties is a very very very bad idea there is no way you have the skills needed to cope emotionally mentally or in any other way. Even in your twenties is very young!

Lou.m · 07-12-2008 11:38pm

Klea wrote: »

I'd like to know more about a Natural Witch's traits, other than dreams, premonitions, tarot, etc. My mother has always been into Numerology and Tarot readings, including using a plain deck of cards. I only seem to have dreams... deja vu type experiences. It's interesting, in my experience, I never know when the dream has taken place in reality...it's just a feeling that I have been there before or that particular occurance has happened previously. And I never know (after having the dream) when it may come true...if it's one of those types. I'd like to work on controlling them better. Also, I always believed if my right hand itched, money was coming and if the left hand itched, I owed money... does anyone believe in this sort of thing or is it simply superstition? Any advise or suggestions would be helpful

A natural witch has generally meant self trained rather than coming from a tradition or rather than following a tradition on your own you come up with your own rituals or ways and beliefs.

I think one of the problems is often 'natural witches take a little from here and a little from there and call it natural witchcraft but it is unfair to take from a tradition without giving credit to it and you cant claim it as your own or natural if you have gotten it from somewhere else really it is not being honest.

I know a lot of witches who have been in traditions and then do there own stuff but they make their own path and their own ways. I think that is something that could be called a trait of being a natural witch.

Being incredibly psychic and having great magical talent does not mean someone will choose to be a witch. Nor does it mean they have the emotional and personal skills.

I was considered incredibly psychic and talented magically by my peers however i had so much to learn (and still do) about life, people and people skills and witchcraft.

Klea you are as much a natural witch as anyone else :)it is just we all have different strengths and weaknesses and we all need to improve different things.There are many courses on magic or pyschic awareness many skills you can practise and as for the life stuff well that is the hard part.

I think people forget other aspects of life are just as much a part of witchcraft and then they bite you in the ass!!

Being a Natural Witch...

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