RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

anewme · 04-10-2019 10:00am

xckjoo wrote: »

Very sensible post. If every owner was of a similar mindset to yourself I'd probably still go to races . I said it before, but I don't have a problem with greyhound racing in general. Just that there's some horrendous abuse that's been ignored by the IGB for years and it can't be allowed to continue. Would definitely rather see reform than banning, but would also need to be convinced it'll actually work.

Can you explain the bit in bold a bit more? Do you mean that if it was banned legally it would just continue illegally or is it something else?

I'd lean toward getting one from a shelter purely because the hobbyist will probably go to the effort of properly rehoming the dog anyway. The shelter probably needs you more, so to speak. But either way you'll probably end up with a cracking dog.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I did not believe that poster was being genuine with the request to rehome a dog.

What was the comment "I like the brindle one"......came across as sarcastic.

xckjoo · 04-10-2019 10:32am

anewme wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but I did not believe that poster was being genuine with the request to rehome a dog.

What was the comment "I like the brindle one"......came across as sarcastic.

I assume he's being genuine. Don't see a reason not to. Seems to have more issue with who is doing the protesting than what they're protesting

Maybe I just empathise with his love of brindle coloured dogs :pac:

xckjoo · 04-10-2019 10:40am

charlietheminxx wrote: »

It seems that a minority of people are happy with public funding going to greyhound racing.

If those of you who love your hounds want to keep it up as a hobby, that's fair enough, but the industry as it stands is corrupt and quite frankly disgraceful. I don't trust it to reform, so pull the public funding and let it scale back based on those who are just doing it for the love of the hobby.

Just imagine what the ISPCA and other animal rescues could do with that kind of funding a week. We should re-direct the money to them and then it can be used to tackle other issues with animal welfare in Ireland.

My ideal would probably be the IGB being turned into some kind of greyhound trust whos primary objective would be the welfare of the greyhound breed and the promotion of them as a beloved animal. Races etc. would fall under that second part. I guess I mean make the racing more amateur where people do it for the love of it rather than to make as much money as possible. I assume most people in this thread with racing greyhounds are already in that category. I can understand why they love it even if it's not something that I'd be likely to ever get into myself.

charlietheminxx · 04-10-2019 10:45am

xckjoo wrote: »

My ideal would probably be the IGB being turned into some kind of greyhound trust whos primary objective would be the welfare of the greyhound breed and the promotion of them as a beloved animal. Races etc. would fall under that second part.

While that also has merit, I wouldn't trust the IGB to do it. The way things have been done to date doesn't inspire confidence.

I definitely agree with you on the amateur racing - people can keep their hobby but it will be a hobby instead of an industry. Public funds should have no place in propping it up.

I'd personally prefer if there wasn't greyhound racing at all but I accept that for some it is a way of life.

CiarraiAbu2 · 04-10-2019 11:06am

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 1:07pm

xckjoo wrote: »

I assume he's being genuine. Don't see a reason not to. Seems to have more issue with who is doing the protesting than what they're protesting
Maybe I just empathise with his love of brindle coloured dogs :pac:

Actually I like the brindle one.

I'd have one in a heartbeat. The only qualm I'd have is with work. We already have two non greyhound dogs and they spend a lot of time in kennels.

I'll have to think long and hard about it.

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 1:10pm

xckjoo wrote: »

I assume he's being genuine. Don't see a reason not to. Seems to have more issue with who is doing the protesting than what they're protesting
Maybe I just empathise with his love of brindle coloured dogs :pac:

Pretty much to be honest. I was kind of happy that program was made if it helps to clean up the industry some bit. I could tell you stories about things that weren't shown in the program at all. But one thing at a time for now.

Choc Chip · 04-10-2019 6:55pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Actually I like the brindle one.

I'd have one in a heartbeat. The only qualm I'd have is with work. We already have two non greyhound dogs and they spend a lot of time in kennels.

I'll have to think long and hard about it.

I have a brindle and white foster grey and he's the softest, most tactile but delicate dog in the world. I adore him. They're more like cats than dogs, and I think that most people who dont want to do work/sports with their dog should consider a grey.

I dont think he'd do well in kennels. He'd survive, but pretty much his favourite thing in the entire world is to be upside down on the sofa with his legs in the air, snoozing.

The main benefit with going the rescue route is knowing how a dog might do living in a home rather than being kennelled, if that's how they've been kept before.

04-10-2019 7:30pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

I have a brindle and white foster grey and he's the softest, most tactile but delicate dog in the world. I adore him. They're more like cats than dogs, and I think that most people who dont want to do work/sports with their dog should consider a grey.

I dont think he'd do well in kennels. He'd survive, but pretty much his favourite thing in the entire world is to be upside down on the sofa with his legs in the air, snoozing.

The main benefit with going the rescue route is knowing how a dog might do living in a home rather than being kennelled, if that's how they've been kept before.

If going down the adoption route, owners are advised to house train the dogs while waiting for a placement. That applies to IGB’s adoption group and rescues. And, yes. You know that you’ve succeeded when they lie, as the late Bottler would say, “It’s 4 legs cocked up in the air agus an bolg in ard leis”

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 9:20pm

Choc Chip wrote: »

I have a brindle and white foster grey and he's the softest, most tactile but delicate dog in the world. I adore him. They're more like cats than dogs, and I think that most people who dont want to do work/sports with their dog should consider a grey.

I dont think he'd do well in kennels. He'd survive, but pretty much his favourite thing in the entire world is to be upside down on the sofa with his legs in the air, snoozing.

The main benefit with going the rescue route is knowing how a dog might do living in a home rather than being kennelled, if that's how they've been kept before.

Was in the DSPCA this evening. Seen some lovely dogs there.

There was a greyhound with a small piece of its jaw missing but was in good shape apart from that. Very sad.

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 9:24pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Was in the DSPCA this evening. Seen some lovely dogs there.

There was a greyhound with a small piece of its jaw missing but was in good shape apart from that. Very sad.

This one. This was it. Really nice dog.

https://www.dspca.ie/adopt/happy/

anewme · 04-10-2019 9:26pm

Shes beautiful.

04-10-2019 9:35pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

This one. This was it. Really nice dog.

https://www.dspca.ie/adopt/happy/

That’s not a greyhound.

anewme · 04-10-2019 9:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

This one. This was it. Really nice dog.

https://www.dspca.ie/adopt/happy/

That’s not a greyhound.

Thought looked more like a hound myself

Says Lurcher / collie cross on her description.

Lovely little dog.

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 10:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s not a greyhound.

It is its a lurcher a form of a greyhound

04-10-2019 10:06pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

It is its a lurcher a form of a greyhound

Is it entered in the greyhound stud book?

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 10:15pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it entered in the greyhound stud book?

God I wouldn't imagine so. I couldn't picture her 28.50 anytime soon. No more than my pug would

04-10-2019 10:22pm

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

God I wouldn't imagine so. I couldn't picture her 28.50 anytime soon. No more than my pug would

Ergo, she’s a mongrel. A lurcher. Sorry if I’m being pedantic, but I’m a stickler for detail!

Ruraldweller56 · 04-10-2019 10:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ergo, she’s a mongrel. A lurcher. Sorry if I’m being pedantic, but I’m a stickler for detail!

Well hopefully someone takes it regardless. I think the chin would put people off.

But I do accept where you're coming from.

anewme · 04-10-2019 10:49pm

Shes not an IT.

Her name is Happy and she will make a lovely pet for the right home.

Say my name · 17-10-2019 12:38pm

Is it true Connolly's Red Mills are down 600k in sales after their decision to drop sponsorship of the greyhound industry after the RTE program was aired?

18-10-2019 4:54pm

Say my name wrote: »

Is it true Connolly's Red Mills are down 600k in sales after their decision to drop sponsorship of the greyhound industry after the RTE program was aired?

I'd imagine you wouldn't know that unless (a) they stated it publicly or you have access to their EOY accounts? Certainly a long list of sponsorship deserters and non-renewals

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0705/1060371-connolly-red-mills-greyhounds/

Attendance at meetings down 20% though
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/attendance-at-greyhound-tracks-drops-20-after-rté-expose-1.4023770

18-10-2019 5:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd imagine you wouldn't know that unless (a) they stated it publicly or you have access to their EOY accounts? Certainly a long list of sponsorship deserters and non-renewals

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0705/1060371-connolly-red-mills-greyhounds/

Attendance at meetings down 20% though
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/attendance-at-greyhound-tracks-drops-20-after-rté-expose-1.4023770

If you actually read the links you provided, you will find that while Red Mills did withdraw their sponsorship, they reconsidered and have instead given their sponsorship funds to welfare. Of the other sponsors who withdrew their funding, the total amount was in the region of €10,000 as revealed in the PAC meeting.

The 20% refers to the immediate aftermath of the RTÉ hatchet job. Figures have increased dramatically since then as greyhound fans turn out to support their hobby.

Say my name · 19-10-2019 4:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd imagine you wouldn't know that unless (a) they stated it publicly or you have access to their EOY accounts? Certainly a long list of sponsorship deserters and non-renewals

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0705/1060371-connolly-red-mills-greyhounds/

I asked because I was told it was their dog food division and printed in the independent business section.

Anyways doesn't matter. If they gave their sponsorship money to a greyhound charity it's some consolation.

Edit: pity someone didn't help me out on this. Your man that told me must have made a mistake. They had a fall in sales of 6% last year. So seemingly totally unrelated to the scandal. Apologies to red mills and all concerned.
Article that person must have read must have been this on the farmers journal.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/sales-fall-at-kilkenny-pet-food-company-rednut-493783

That's me done with second hand information. That article is behind a paywall but I can't help ye with that.
2nd edit: according to that article it'd be a fall of 1.8m in sales. But anyways. That's it.

anewme · 20-10-2019 10:23pm

I posted a sad face on the Shelbourne Park Christmas Party Ad on Facebook. That was enough to block me on Facebook. They clearly dont like those who dont agree with them.

The comments on it read like forced fun and are cringey.

21-10-2019 9:38am

anewme wrote: »

I posted a sad face on the Shelbourne Park Christmas Party Ad on Facebook. That was enough to block me on Facebook. They clearly dont like those who dont agree with them.

The comments on it read like forced fun and are cringey.

Just like the antis pages. Anything that they don’t agree with is deleted and the poster blocked. They only want to see photos of ill, hungry or injured dogs, often not even greyhounds!

21-10-2019 11:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The 20% refers to the immediate aftermath of the RTÉ hatchet job. Figures have increased dramatically since then as greyhound fans turn out to support their hobby.

Article dated mid Sept- long after programmer aired. How much are you being paid to write this spin?

22-10-2019 9:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Article dated mid Sept- long after programmer aired. How much are you being paid to write this spin?

When was the program aired? How many weeks data was used? Shelbourne Park and Curraheen Park had record attendances in recent weeks. They’re the only tracks I’ve been to recently. Doggie people are fighting back.

Tilikum17 · 22-10-2019 10:22am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When was the program aired? How many weeks data was used? Shelbourne Park and Curraheen Park had record attendances in recent weeks. They’re the only tracks I’ve been to recently. Doggie people are fighting back.

‘UK-wide figures show that 932 dogs died within the racing industry last year, with 242 of these deaths happening trackside’

‘doggie people’?? Christ above.

22-10-2019 11:18am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

‘UK-wide figures show that 932 dogs died within the racing industry last year, with 242 of these deaths happening trackside’

‘doggie people’?? Christ above.

RIP doggies

Igotadose · 05-11-2019 1:36pm

IGB 2018 financial report finally out: https://www.igb.ie/globalassets/report-pdfs/annual-reports/annual-report-2018.pdf

Seems like selling off one facility got a big infusion of cash which was needed, though 2018 was impacted by adverse weather (storms & drought).

2019 should be much more interesting.

Discodog · 06-11-2019 4:02pm

Just heard an advert on the radio telling people, that by booking a night at the dogs, they would be doing a good deed for Greyhounds.

Just as expected they are using the so called welfare fund as a marketing tool.

anewme · 06-11-2019 6:52pm

Discodog wrote: »

Just heard an advert on the radio telling people, that by booking a night at the dogs, they would be doing a good deed for Greyhounds.

Just as expected they are using the so called welfare fund as a marketing tool.

I heard that weeks ago....it was...have a fantastic night and do your good deed at the same time.

Cringe!

Well, if that's your good deed, I'd hate to see what you'd do to people you dont like.

06-11-2019 6:59pm

anewme wrote: »

I heard that weeks ago....it was...have a fantastic night and do your good deed at the same time.

Cringe!

Well, if that's your good deed, I'd hate to see what you'd do to people you dont like.

I've said a number of times on this thread, i don't necessarily want to see the GH industry destroyed- just greatly reformed.

But the fact that the industry hasn't done anything visible to change the culture of this industry in the last 6 months, I don't see why we should be supporting anything right now.

If it has to die first before rising phoenix-like from the ashes in a new format, then fine- I don't like to see any honest hard working people losing their jobs- but if those jobs are based on cruelty to animals, then they're not real jobs.

anewme · 11-11-2019 11:14pm

A greyhound suffered a broken leg and was destroyed at Shelbourne Park stadium on Friday evening, ICABS has learned.

A horrified eyewitness at the Dublin stadium described the shocking scene as the bleeding dog, with a bone in his front leg “popped out”, was carried away after the “Book Your Christmas Party” race. It is understood that the greyhound was “put to sleep” at the stadium.

The greyhound is believed to have been 3-year-old Suzies Mick. Video footage posted on the Irish Greyhound Board Youtube channel shows him making contact with another dog at the first bend before veering away to the side of the track towards a GAIN sponsorship sign https://youtu.be/BP5_LTlo95U

Race details on the IGB website confirm that Suzies Mick “did not finish” the race.

The injured and destroyed greyhound is the latest in a long line of victims at Shelbourne Park, one of the worst tracks in Ireland for injuries and deaths.

At least 167 greyhounds suffered injuries and 39 were killed by a track vet at Shelbourne Park over the past five years alone.

angel eyes 2012 · 11-11-2019 11:22pm

anewme wrote: »

A greyhound suffered a broken leg and was destroyed at Shelbourne Park stadium on Friday evening, ICABS has learned.

A horrified eyewitness at the Dublin stadium described the shocking scene as the bleeding dog, with a bone in his front leg “popped out”, was carried away after the “Book Your Christmas Party” race. It is understood that the greyhound was “put to sleep” at the stadium.

The greyhound is believed to have been 3-year-old Suzies Mick. Video footage posted on the Irish Greyhound Board Youtube channel shows him making contact with another dog at the first bend before veering away to the side of the track towards a GAIN sponsorship sign https://youtu.be/BP5_LTlo95U

Race details on the IGB website confirm that Suzies Mick “did not finish” the race.

The injured and destroyed greyhound is the latest in a long line of victims at Shelbourne Park, one of the worst tracks in Ireland for injuries and deaths.

At least 167 greyhounds suffered injuries and 39 were killed by a track vet at Shelbourne Park over the past five years alone.

This is heartbreaking. That poor dog.

donkeykong5 · 12-11-2019 12:12am

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

This is heartbreaking. That poor dog.

Vinnie Jones will be delighted to hear this.

Hellrazer · 12-11-2019 1:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said a number of times on this thread, i don't necessarily want to see the GH industry destroyed- just greatly reformed.

It should be banned completely. How do you reform an industry that's based on killing defenceless animals??

But the fact that the industry hasn't done anything visible to change the culture of this industry in the last 6 months, I don't see why we should be supporting anything right now.

Shows how small minded and stuck in the dark ages the members of this "industry" are.
An investigation into their practices and they do nothing about it.

If it has to die first before rising phoenix-like from the ashes in a new format, then fine- I don't like to see any honest hard working people losing their jobs- but if those jobs are based on cruelty to animals, then they're not real jobs.

If theyre cruel to animals they aren't honest ,hard working people. They are part of the problem. **** em and let them loose their jobs.

Graces7 · 12-11-2019 7:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said a number of times on this thread, i don't necessarily want to see the GH industry destroyed- just greatly reformed.

But the fact that the industry hasn't done anything visible to change the culture of this industry in the last 6 months, I don't see why we should be supporting anything right now.

If it has to die first before rising phoenix-like from the ashes in a new format, then fine- I don't like to see any honest hard working people losing their jobs- but if those jobs are based on cruelty to animals, then they're not real jobs.

any "industry" based on exploiting animals for gain is way outdated and needs outlawing.

12-11-2019 11:39pm

Graces7 wrote: »

any "industry" based on exploiting animals for gain is way outdated and needs outlawing.

So you’d advocate banning horse racing? Pigeon racing? Crufts?

Graces7 · 13-11-2019 9:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So you’d advocate banning horse racing? Pigeon racing? Crufts?

Wish I had put money on this being the rather inane response and attempt at distraction!

If you see dogs as like horses or pigeons?

Please focus on the subject? Thank you so very very much.

A dog is a companion animal. Loyal and utterly devoted. making money out of that is unspeakable. They will do anything for their owner, and racing is capitalising on that . A dog is the most naïve critter there is. Making them race to make money is like stealing milk from a baby.

You do not curl up on the settee with a horse or a pigeon :rolleyes:

Crufts?

13-11-2019 9:08pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Wish I had put money on this being the rather inane response and attempt at distraction!

If you see dogs as like horses or pigeons?

Please focus on the subject? Thank you so very very much.

A dog is a companion animal. Loyal and utterly devoted. making money out of that is unspeakable. They will do anything for their owner, and racing is capitalising on that . A dog is the most naïve critter there is. Making them race to make money is like stealing milk from a baby.

You do not curl up on the settee with a horse or a pigeon :rolleyes:

Crufts?

Greyhounds are bred for racing, not as companion dogs. Though, they DO make great companions!
Likewise, sheepdogs are bred to work.

13-11-2019 11:05pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Wish I had put money on this being the rather inane response and attempt at distraction!

If you see dogs as like horses or pigeons?

Please focus on the subject? Thank you so very very much.

A dog is a companion animal. Loyal and utterly devoted. making money out of that is unspeakable. They will do anything for their owner, and racing is capitalising on that . A dog is the most naïve critter there is. Making them race to make money is like stealing milk from a baby.

You do not curl up on the settee with a horse or a pigeon :rolleyes:

Crufts?

I am focusing on the subject- you’re the one saying the sweeping statement you wouldn’t support any industry where animals are exploited for gain- al industries I mentioned exploit animals for gain- the don’t necessarily Ill-treat the animals but they do exploit them

Do you not cuddle up to a horse on a Friday night to watch the late late show? :P

anewme · 13-11-2019 11:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Greyhounds are bred for racing, not as companion dogs. Though, they DO make great companions!
Likewise, sheepdogs are bred to work.

Maryanne, can I ask what you think about Suzie's Mick' s death in the Book your Christmas Party Race last week?

Hellrazer · 14-11-2019 1:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

So you’d advocate banning horse racing?

Id agree with banning horse racing--its a "sport" that's just as bad as greyhound racing.

02-12-2019 6:01pm

Massive crowd in Shelbourne Park Saturday night for the annual Night Of Stars. Great to see.

Hellrazer · 02-12-2019 7:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Massive crowd in Shelbourne Park Saturday night for the annual Night Of Stars. Great to see.

Sooner the better it's banned once and for all.
The attendees are idiots supporting this cruelty.

donkeykong5 · 02-12-2019 7:37pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Sooner the better it's banned once and for all.
The attendees are idiots supporting this cruelty.

Well said.

Tilikum17 · 02-12-2019 7:46pm

Hellrazer wrote: »

Sooner the better it's banned once and for all.
The attendees are idiots supporting this cruelty.

But they love the dogs, Hellrazer. So much so they’ll risk the possibility of seeing the dog actually die on the track.

Such beautiful dogs.

donkeykong5 · 02-12-2019 7:50pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

But they love the dogs, Hellrazer. So much so they’ll risk the possibility of seeing the dog actually die on the track.

Such beautiful dogs.

They love the money in their grubby little pockets

RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

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