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13-02-2020, 17:50   #31
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Look to see if there is a canal or river with house boats.
Would that be a timber or concrete houseboat?
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Main problem seems to be the regulations which probably need updating.
Regulations are updating all the time.
We would need to downgrade the regulations to allow these structures and that’s not a good thing.
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Would that be a timber or concrete houseboat?
Actually there are a lot of concrete built boats and yes they do float.
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Regulations are updating all the time.
We would need to downgrade the regulations to allow these structures and that’s not a good thing.
People are building sand bag houses, wattle and daub houses and even the old mud type houses are super warm and require no insulation. I bet they would pass that part of regs.
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Well would you be an idiot or just misinformed. Most of the oldest homes in the UK would be timber framed with whats called wattle and dawb in fills which is straw and cow **** to me and you.

Then you have the 'cobb' homes which are just 3ft thick mud with a bit of straw and cow **** thrown in as well.

You are talking 500 hundred possibly nearly a thousand years old.

Log cabins in New Foundland back to 1550 and timber framed builds back to 1300's all continuously lived in........ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ngs-world.html

50 years? You been listening to Roundstone too much mate. A timber home is far superior to a concrete block built home any day. In every possible way.

Old UK mud built houses.......... https://www.google.ie/search?q=old+e...M_enIE870IE870

Old wattle and dawb houses of England hundreds of years old. Just a timber frame with straw and mud or even hand made brick in fill. https://www.google.ie/search?q=Engli...M_enIE870IE870
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Woodworm can only live in damp wood. It cant live in a dry house. Termites do not exist in the UK or Ireland. Did they not teach you that in your civil engineering?

You are correct about bridges but that is because of load and span. Did they not teach you that in civil engineering?

They also use a fair bit of steel in factory built houses now. In fact the best roof for manufacture, installation and maintenance is a steel roof. Far superior to concrete and tile. Did they not teach you that in civil engineering?

In fact they do make a lot of timber framed vinyl clad and steel formed sheet clad houses now and these are far superior to concrete block houses. Did they not teach you that in civil engineering?

Concrete block and brick houses can require lots of after care. or again did nobody tell you that.

When I see a concrete block house as old as a timber or mud house I may listen to you but being as concrete does not have a long shelf life as does brick which can start to decay after the same time which could be a couple of hundred years (not sure exact time span).
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Or an adoption of something similar to the one planet council they have in Wales (but this is more aimed at off grid style living / land working) - http://www.oneplanetcouncil.org.uk/about/
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People are building sand bag houses, wattle and daub houses and even the old mud type houses are super warm and require no insulation. I bet they would pass that part of regs.
I’m not aware of any in Ireland.
They would require certification and I’m
Not aware of any being built and certified.
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Or an adoption of something similar to the one planet council they have in Wales - http://www.oneplanetcouncil.org.uk/about/
The concrete industry rules the roost here so it has convinced everyone that concrete is best.
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I’m not aware of any in Ireland.
They would require certification and I’m
Not aware of any being built and certified.
How are they going to cert something they are ignorant of?

https://www.independent.ie/regionals...-37146701.html
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I didnt mean he was an idiot I meant would only a person who said such be one or misinformed.

Bad wording on my part. I appologise.

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How are they going to cert something they are ignorant of?

https://www.independent.ie/regionals...-37146701.html
The people building them have to attain certification.
How are they ignorant?
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Regulations are updating all the time.
We would need to downgrade the regulations to allow these structures and that’s not a good thing.
May be necessary however.
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The back and forth is lovely but useless to the OP in ireland in 2020.

Tiny homes or log cabins contravene planning and do not meet building regs.

The council could have you demolish it at any stage.
They may or may not be safe in fire.
The seller will be long paid and long gone
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The people building them have to attain certification.
How are they ignorant?
If people are only taught one way and not shown there are alternatives and even better ways then nobody is ever going to make regs for such. You will only ever have regs for what they believe to be correct.

The proof is out there that buildings can last far longer than any concrete building without regs.

With proper regs then factory produced alternative will last just as long.

But if you cannot build an alternative house because it will not pass regs because there are none because nobody ever did any for such.........Then it goes nowhere.
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If people are only taught one way and not shown there are alternatives and even better ways then nobody is ever going to make regs for such. You will only ever have regs for what they believe to be correct.

The proof is out there that buildings can last far longer than any concrete building without regs.

With proper regs then factory produced alternative will last just as long.

But if you cannot build an alternative house because it will not pass regs because there are none because nobody ever did any for such.........Then it goes nowhere.
Then the people building these structures and selling these structures test them and demonstrate by way of testing that they can meet the performance standards required for fire, heat loss and structure to name but a few.
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