Dark - Netflix

cdgalwegian · 07-07-2019 8:29am

pixelburp wrote: »

Ha, spotted what may be a super subtle Back to the Future nod in episode two; when
in the 1950s scene while older Regina(?) digs the hole to bury the time machine, there are two lone pine trees sitting in shot. A callback to the Twin (later, One) Pine Mall from the 1980s film perhaps?

Are you Winden us up? :pac:

Though, thinking about it; Noah, going back to Adam... that could be ..

the trees symbolize the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden

"It's all connected."

Slydice · 07-07-2019 10:12pm

Well.. I had to watch the recap after watching the first episode (didn't help that I split up my watching the first episode with season 3 of Stranger Things in between

)

3.1: Alright, looks like .. well I'm not exactly sure. The

Future feels fine. They've got drones and some kinda strange new light. Not unbelievable. Feels odd in that .. is the entire world gone except Winden? which itself was the centre of a nuclear catastrophe?

Not sure about

Jonas wandering through the power plant with the geiger counter making so much noise

after seeing Chernobyl

Slydice · 08-07-2019 9:45pm

2.2: Looks like everyone is mostly

upskilling to time traveller. I'd guess this season is going to show what each believes is going on, then separate plans forming up and then a cliff hanger to a more time-travel-plans-in-motion season 3. There's gotta be a big event though. Enough people have been hinting and there's the apocalypse we keep getting reminded of

.

Slydice wrote: »

3.1:

Well.. I guess I was still recovering from my Stranger Things binge.

Irish_rat · 08-07-2019 11:14pm

Binged on season 2 today. It's a fairly big mind f**k alright. Season one is different class imo.

I'm going to revisit it again soon as it's one that gets better on a few viewings.

Slydice · 13-07-2019 9:47pm

2.3: So some clarity from

Claudia that there's a game going on and she and adam are part of it.

After that, the overall story still filling in for me

Slydice · 14-07-2019 1:04pm

2.4: Again, filling in the gaps, getting people informed

about the time travelling and then the reveal that Adam is Jonas. I'd been wondering.

Linking the two never occured to me though

Slydice · 14-07-2019 8:13pm

2.5: Well, that's

Ulrich gone mad!

For the ending,

It's some sacrifice for Jonas/Adam to make.. but I'm not sure it'll work with this version of time travel.

It looks to be

creating a paradox. Like:

They get created because of some origin event.
They stop the origin event.
They don't get created.
Restart loop

Keyzer · 15-07-2019 11:45am

Absolute mindfúck of a show but love it...

pixelburp · 16-07-2019 5:17pm

Finished episode 4, and it definitely feels like events are ramping up and characters overtly engaging with the premise. Yet even then, it's a testament to the shows strength: sometimes, in other series, when characters realise the situation they find themselves in, all the mystery dissolves from the story, delicately crafted tension disappearing once threats, alliances and antagonists are recognised. Not so here; given how "timey wimey" the machine seems to be in its entirety, the meetings of episode 4 just adds to the sense of ... "ominous complexity" that seeps through the show's pores.

The final scene didn't come as quite a big shock as perhaps the script intended, I had wondered and guessed correctly, but again it's a sign of Dark's smarts that pulling off a surprise like that doesn't diminish or cheapen the plotting, it only enriches.

Slydice · 18-07-2019 8:52pm

3.6: So.. but.. I .. well

that's me lost

*hops* on the rollercoaster for the next few episodes!

Slydice · 19-07-2019 9:15pm

2.7: Right, I'm totally lost. Well.. except for a guess that

Hannah is gonna shack up with Egon

Slydice wrote: »

3.6

Dammit, not again! Maybe next time around I'll get it right!

alchemist33 · 23-07-2019 10:37pm

I enjoyed S2 as much as 1, but it nearly lost me in the middle with the convolutions it did to avoid actually explaining anything. At one point someone said Noah was killing all the boys and the other person didn't ask why. Claudia went around saying sorry to everyone and once again nobody asked why.

Still good stuff though.

Slydice · 25-07-2019 7:52pm

Finished! Good season!

Season 3! Give! Give! When? Want!

2.8: Now that's an ending! So many intertwining stories from all over the place! So messed up! So much

more to explore! What's even going on?!!

Irish_rat · 25-07-2019 9:57pm

Rewatching season 2 again, this is like a album, gets better on repeated viewing

Hector Savage · 05-08-2019 1:57pm

Just finished Season 1 !!!

Wow ... This helped recap it for me before starting S2 later
https://www.bustle.com/p/the-dark-season-1-recap-you-need-before-the-ultra-confusing-netflix-show-returns-18015644

This is a proper quality show, Stranger Things is a poor poor version of this....

pixelburp · 05-08-2019 2:16pm

Stranger Things and Dark are nothing alike, beyond the occasional 80s setting of the latter. I don't get why this comparison keeps popping up every now and again. One is a (sometimes subverted) homage to 80s filmmaking and nostalgia, the other an intense time-travel thriller, with quintessentially German philosophising.

If Dark shares any genetics, it's more akin to Twin Peaks and the whole "small town whose residents harbour dark secrets"line of drama.

JuanBerrosa · 10-08-2019 10:49am

Very good show, but that last part when

Martha appeared from a different world ??? - so they are going alternative dimensions now ?

I know its a far fetched show but that was a bit too much tbh.

cdgalwegian · 10-08-2019 11:02am

JuanBerrosa wrote: »

Very good show, but that last part when
Martha appeared from a different world ??? - so they are going alternative dimensions now ?
I know its a far fetched show but that was a bit too much tbh.

Wait a minute. You were ok with time-travel, but not this ending? One is no more believable than the other.

Actually, there is a logical line of thinking that

time travel, if possible, can occur, but only as part of the many-worlds theory i.e. paradoxes of time travel are resolved through the many-worlds paradigm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-08-2019 9:52pm

I'm just going to leave this here.
WARNING SECOND SEASON SPOILERS
all over the place with this one....
(just in case it still needs mentioning.... safe to be sorry....)

SECOND WARNING - don't watch this if you're trying to shut down for the night. It's a bit of a headwreck even by Dark standards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dol10tMdScg

Hector Savage · 12-08-2019 9:40am

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Wait a minute. You were ok with time-travel, but not this ending? One is no more believable than the other.
Actually, there is a logical line of thinking that
time travel, if possible, can occur, but only as part of the many-worlds theory i.e. paradoxes of time travel are resolved through the many-worlds paradigm

Problem is the different timelines then solves the paradoxes, it makes it too easy to explain away things.

I can see season 3 descending into a mess, hope I'm wrong tho...

cdgalwegian · 12-08-2019 10:06am

Hector Savage wrote: »

I can see season 3 descending into a mess, hope I'm wrong tho...

Dark is based on a web series, so I'd say they have the storylines already sorted out. Probably using quantum computers to work everything out.:p

pixelburp · 22-08-2019 9:24am

Finally got around to the last episode, and yowsers; how gloriously head-melting. An easy show to get completely lost in - but the important difference is that the script is fair; it's convoluted by design, but if you step back and follow the threads, the structure and shape is there. It all links up, unlike actual bad writing where the writers might make it up as they go along. The twist reveal that

Elisabeth is her own grand-mother

felt a little out of nowhere, but doubtless there were clues throughout seasons 1 & 2 I simply missed.

I guess given the emphasis on everything being inevitable meant that the only way the writers could possibly give themselves some narrative wriggle room was via that last moment; I would stop short of calling this show "Hard Sci-Fi", but it has often made enough nods towards real scientific concepts that the new inclusion of

the many worlds theory

didn't feel like cheating. Season 3 is obviously going to spend some time in

the alternative universe(s), likely allowing characters otherwise stalled (eg, Ulrich) a chance to participate once more

Easily one of Netflix's best shows, if not one of the best & more underrated shows on TV, period.

It's also a palette cleanser: it's often easy to forget just how Americanised the TV content we consume has become, both tonally and in approach. Dark's mood and tone is so unmistakably German/European; there's no way you could transplant this story to an American setting without losing some of its essential essence, if that makes any sense?

Skerries · 25-08-2019 4:15pm

just finished season 3 - who knew that the lizard people were behind it all the time!

cdgalwegian · 25-08-2019 4:24pm

Skerries wrote: »

just finished season 3 - who knew that the lizard people were behind it all the time!

My heart skipped a beat when I read those first few words, ya b*st*rd!:D
(apparently it was co-written by David Icke:p).

Skerries · 25-08-2019 5:12pm

cdgalwegian · 25-08-2019 5:16pm

Skerries wrote: »

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Nuh uh. Not going there. No sirreee bob. Not even for a hint of anything. I'm going dark with Dark.

Del.Monte · 30-08-2019 11:05pm

Looking forward to the final season but it is surely one of the most hard to follow series that I ever watched.

Slydice · 31-08-2019 12:38am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Looking forward to the final season but it is surely one of the most hard to follow series that I ever watched.

I imagine that after season 3, it will become even more complicated!

cdgalwegian · 31-08-2019 11:26am

Del.Monte wrote: »

Looking forward to the final season but it is surely one of the most hard to follow series that I ever watched.

The mental gymnastics required is better than any mind-training game. It's great to be able to give oneself a mental pat on the back after being able to keep up. I'm half-way through my Masters in Darkology, in preparation for season 3.

Definitely- along with The Expanse- one of my favourite sci-fi series ever.

Aneedoo · 31-08-2019 3:08pm

Not watch it yet goona watch and I will give my opinions and discussions about it thanks for recommendations

The_Honeybadger · 31-08-2019 3:11pm

Where is season 3 available to watch

Del.Monte · 31-08-2019 3:22pm

Not available - in post production probably as filming was underway in June.

01-09-2019 11:47am

I have a query.

Aleksander Tiedemann has the same surname as his wife Regina. Is this coincidence or is it common for German men to take the surname of their spouse?

Dial Hard · 01-09-2019 11:50am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have a query.
Aleksander Tiedemann has the same surname as his wife Regina. Is this coincidence or is it common for German men to take the surname of their spouse?

He took her name when they married to basically legitimise his false identity.

01-09-2019 12:00pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

He took her name when they married to basically legitimise his false identity.

Ah. I don't think I got that far

Or maybe I missed it. I'm about to start episode 9 of season 1. It's a fantastic show.

Cordell · 01-09-2019 12:57pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Where is season 3 available to watch

It will be released last year.
:pac:

TonyD79 · 01-09-2019 1:04pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It's also a palette cleanser: it's often easy to forget just how Americanised the TV content we consume has become, both tonally and in approach. Dark's mood and tone is so unmistakably German/European; there's no way you could transplant this story to an American setting without losing some of its essential essence, if that makes any sense?

Unless you watch it with the awful American accent dubbing of course.

Wouldn't be surprised if they remade this for American television down the line. Small town west coast set but filmed in Vancouver .

cdgalwegian · 01-09-2019 2:54pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Where is season 3 available to watch

If you'd seen the very last episode of season 2, you'd already know. It's

in the alternate universe

.
:pac:

Seth Brundle · 01-09-2019 2:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have a query.
Aleksander Tiedemann has the same surname as his wife Regina. Is this coincidence or is it common for German men to take the surname of their spouse?

It wouldn't be a common occurrence but it does happen a bit in Germany.

Ferris_Bueller · 23-09-2019 5:25pm

Eventually got through the final few episodes of Dark. After the first season I felt this was one of the best shows out there, but season 2 was not as strong IMO. It was still watchable but it felt like watching it to get through it as opposed to really enjoying it. With the timelines and characters at various stages of their lives it made it really difficult to remember who was who in the first couple of episodes. Hopefully Season 3 will be a success but I wouldn't be banking on it.

20-10-2019 11:53pm

Got around to starting Season 2 tonight and stopped after 10 minutes. I've fragments of what happened in my memory and know the general gist but ffs I feel like I need to rewatch the first series again. Like I know the priest is important and can't recall why

So plough ahead or rewatch the first season

Slydice · 21-10-2019 12:15am

It continues to be complicated and gets more complicated.

cdgalwegian · 21-10-2019 8:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Got around to starting Season 2 tonight and stopped after 10 minutes. I've fragments of what happened in my memory and know the general gist but ffs I feel like I need to rewatch the first series again. Like I know the priest is important and can't recall why

So plough ahead or rewatch the first season

I'd really recommend watching season 1 again; when I rewatched it before watching season 2 I had wikipedia open, as well as the Neflix Dark site open, constantly referring to them. If this seems like too hard a slog, then I'd give it a miss- it's easy to get lost in the Dark.:p. The drama in this (as in most things i suppose) only works properly if you know whats going on; sounds obvious, but there you go. This show is like a narrative Escape Room, where you have to keep a good track of not only who is who, but when they are who they are, so I don't think relying on memory will work; it needs to be constantly rejogged (well coming from someone such as me with a poor memory it does anyway).

ixoy · 21-10-2019 10:12am

Deleted User wrote: »

So plough ahead or rewatch the first season

The Netflix Dark site (https://dark.netflix.io) is good because it initially only displays a season one summary but allows you to display further information based on how far into the second season you are.

cdgalwegian · 21-10-2019 10:17am

ixoy wrote: »

The Netflix Dark site (https://dark.netflix.io) is good because it initially only displays a season one summary but allows you to display further information based on how far into the second season you are.

Very good point; Wikipedia gives some spoiler-type info of who turns out to be who in the tables of who is who (though it's so complicated it does get lost in the confusion).

Skerries · 21-10-2019 12:32pm

maybe watch a youtube recap

cdgalwegian · 21-10-2019 12:37pm

Skerries wrote: »

maybe watch a youtube recap

This looks good. I'll watch this before I rewatch season 2, before I watch season 3! (yeah- full season, not recap

).

bogwalrus · 17-02-2020 1:04am

Pretty awesome show. As someone mentioned earlier a great palate cleanser if you have been mainly watching american tv series and films last few years.

I read today that the genius writes have based storylines on greek mythology and have even hinted at this throughout the series. One example is the story or Ariadne, thesius and the minotaur. (Martha acts the part of Ariadne in the school play season one. Most likely a seed for what is to come).

The interesting part of Ariadnes story is that her lover thesius gets trapped in a maze and she helps navigate him out with a ball of thread.

Ariadnes thread is also used in problem solving. Wikipedia defines it as solving a problem by multiple means through an exhaustive application of logic to all available routes.

Anyway I think it just highlights how much work has gone into the story and that lots of things are probably only noticed after a few watches.

The acting in absolutely fantastic and I am usually someone to bitch about acting. I can't believe people think it is poor. It is probably because they are watching the dubbed version.

freak scence · 14-04-2020 10:46am

late to the party and watched this wow great viewing .

Unearthly · 14-04-2020 11:43am

I wonder will season 3 air as planned or delayed with Covid19

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