Jessica Jones [Netflix]

iguana · 09-12-2015 1:45pm

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Jessica Jones was extremely weak compared to an avenger but has similar strength to the metahumans depicted in Agents of Shield.

Weak compared to an Avenger? Compared to Thor, the Hulk and Stark in his Iron Man suit, sure. But compared to Hawkeye, Widow and Cap she's significantly stronger and she can fly. The point is that she's completely untrained and has no idea how to use her powers to anything even close to their full potential.

Sudden Valley · 09-12-2015 6:07pm

iguana wrote: »

Weak compared to an Avenger? Compared to Thor, the Hulk and Stark in his Iron Man suit, sure. But compared to Hawkeye, Widow and Cap she's significantly stronger and she can fly. The point is that she's completely untrained and has no idea how to use her powers to anything even close to their full potential.

I guess because she's vulnerable to weapons she would lose to even those three. Also I think she can just jump high and guide herself rather than fly (probably different in the comics). I'm glad she and Luke cage are more like bar-brawlers rather than ninjas like daredevil.

iguana · 10-12-2015 2:31am

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I guess because she's vulnerable to weapons she would lose to even those three. Also I think she can just jump high and guide herself rather than fly (probably different in the comics). I'm glad she and Luke cage are more like bar-brawlers rather than ninjas like daredevil.

But those three are even more vulnerable to weapons that she is. She is stronger and heals faster than any of them, even Cap. And she can fly, it's just that like any skill flying takes practice and the skills atrophy if you don't use them. In the comics Jewel was an accomplished enough flier but in the Alias comics (ie the post Kilgrave enslavement PI years) she was more of a jump and fall flier because she hadn't flown in years.

It's just like how years ago I could dance for hours without losing my breath and now a long song leaves me panting for air. Either way I can still dance, it would just take a lot of dancing to be able to do so properly again. That's the point of Jessica. She's very powerful and has amazing abilities but without practice and training she is less effective than an unpowered/less powered person who is dedicated to honing the skills they do have.

Bacchus · 18-12-2015 1:31pm

I finished this last night. I really enjoyed. Not as good as DareDevil but still a consistently entertaining show. I can't pick a dud episode out of the season. It keeps up the same brutal reality of DD, not shying away from a bit of horror and openly describing Kilgraves actions as rape. Kilgrave is possibly the best villain Marvel have had so far, brilliant actor and a brilliant character that resulted in some really unique and horrific scenarios. The challenge for season 2 is filling his shoes. They set up a few nice threads though that will keep the show interesting for next season.

My one minor gripe is the shoehorned

link to DareDevil in the final episode. I caught a glimpse of the nurse in the hospital and I though that was a neat wink to DareDevil but then they went and made her a big part of the episode. I guess they needed to link the characters somehow but this was a bit jarring.

Nervous Wreck · 18-12-2015 11:46pm

Bacchus wrote: »

I finished this last night. I really enjoyed. Not as good as DareDevil but still a consistently entertaining show. I can't pick a dud episode out of the season. It keeps up the same brutal reality of DD, not shying away from a bit of horror and openly describing Kilgraves actions as rape. Kilgrave is possibly the best villain Marvel have had so far, brilliant actor and a brilliant character that resulted in some really unique and horrific scenarios. The challenge for season 2 is filling his shoes. They set up a few nice threads though that will keep the show interesting for next season.

My one minor gripe is the shoehorned
link to DareDevil in the final episode. I caught a glimpse of the nurse in the hospital and I though that was a neat wink to DareDevil but then they went and made her a big part of the episode. I guess they needed to link the characters somehow but this was a bit jarring.

Claire Temple will appear in each of the Marvel Netflix shows so you may need to get over the jarring sensation sooner rather than later!

Bacchus · 20-12-2015 4:02pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Claire Temple will appear in each of the Marvel Netflix shows so you may need to get over the jarring sensation sooner rather than later!

I didn't actually mind the initial brief cameo, I thought that was neat. It is a shared universe after all. But then it became this wedged in extended cameo with a few too many winks and nods to her "friend". I guess it will become more natural as the series continue but JJ was fairly self contained and it was all about her doing it on her own. Having her suddenly trust a random nurse who obviously doesn't give a hoot about patients at the hospital just seemed out of place, particularly in the finale. As I said though, a minor complaint and it was necessary to start the link between JJ and DD.

pinkypinky · 27-12-2015 12:32am

I thought it was really great all round. I tried Daredevil but only watched one episode - it didn't grip enough to learn anyone's name or try a second episode.

I'm really surprised at the hate (not here) I've seen on the internet though. It seems to be all directed at the fact that it's a female driven show, which is one of its major strengths.

I am wondering where a second season would go though.

The story is finished

.

topmanamillion · 27-12-2015 1:49am

pinkypinky wrote: »

I am wondering where a second season would go though.
The story is finished
.

Theres massive scope to have a second season as they have plenty of threads in the air

The evil IGH organisation seems ready made to be the vilian for another season. The development of Trish and luke as either side kicks or hero's in their own right. plus there's the detective agency which had some interesting plots. If it's renewed there's plenty of scope for new stories.

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The Black Oil · 30-12-2015 3:17pm

X Box prank call in 1.06 reminded me of this. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXv-1CMcUu4

The Black Oil · 01-01-2016 5:22pm

I wasn't a huge fan of this, I'll admit. At least not the first half. Around 6-8 is where it seemed to develop a bit of a kick, imo. Found the Kilgrave situation got a little repetitive. Generally liked the characters, though.

LoonyLovegood · 01-01-2016 5:45pm

My grandad started watching it, watched it in two days and loved it. Got told "LoonyLovegood, if a guy ever does something like that, I'll make sure he isn't breathing"

Mr E · 17-01-2016 5:51pm

Renewed for season 2.

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/jessica-jones-season-2-netflix-krysten-ritter-mike-colter-luke-cage-1201666573/

The Black Oil · 22-10-2016 9:41pm

Wonder if this is a first. ETA, apparently not.

https://twitter.com/moryan/status/789880678556971008

DubTony · 23-10-2016 3:13am

If they can come up with a bad guy as terrifying as Killgrave for season 2, it'll be worthwhile. I just hope it's not fuc*ed up like season 2 of Daredevil was.

FunLover18 · 23-10-2016 8:48am

DubTony wrote:

If they can come up with a bad guy as terrifying as Killgrave for season 2, it'll be worthwhile. I just hope it's not fuc*ed up like season 2 of Daredevil was.

I really don't know where they're going to go with the character, Kilgrave was a huge part of Jessica's emotional arc I feel like season 2 is alrway going to be a let down given that it won't have that aspect.

flazio · 23-10-2016 8:58am

FunLover18 wrote: »

I really don't know where they're going to go with the character, Kilgrave was a huge part of Jessica's emotional arc I feel like season 2 is alrway going to be a let down given that it won't have that aspect.

It all depends on what role Jessica plays in The Defenders and what impact it has on her. A lot of the Marvel Stage 2 movies concentrated on how the Avengers were affected by the incident (Iron Man especially)

Nervous Wreck · 23-10-2016 10:38am

FunLover18 wrote: »

I really don't know where they're going to go with the character, Kilgrave was a huge part of Jessica's emotional arc I feel like season 2 is alrway going to be a let down given that it won't have that aspect.

True. There is still plenty of source material to mine from though, between the original Alias series, The Pulse and the New Avengers stuff the character was a part of. Also, there's a new series being done by the original team that they can probably get ideas from. The Killgrave stuff was probably the most powerful of the original run though so I agree it'll be a hard part to top in S2...

Nervous Wreck · 23-10-2016 10:42am

flazio wrote: »

It all depends on what role Jessica plays in The Defenders and what impact it has on her. A lot of the Marvel Stage 2 movies concentrated on how the Avengers were affected by the incident (Iron Man especially)

Only Iron Man Three and Age of Ultron, really. Thor 2 and Winter Soldier were fairly standalone. It was really only Tony who was so emotionally affected by the whole thing. It's a good shout though; out of the three Netflix character shows so far, JJ has had the biggest emotional arc and, although that ended positively, it'll be good to see how much that throws her off balance and affects her arc in Defenders and beyond...

LoonyLovegood · 23-10-2016 10:47am

There's also that PTSD doesn't go away after defeating your trigger. It still happens. I'll be interested to see how she deals with that.

iguana · 23-10-2016 11:38am

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

True. There is still plenty of source material to mine from though, between the original Alias series, The Pulse and the New Avengers stuff the character was a part of. Also, there's a new series being done by the original team that they can probably get ideas from. The Killgrave stuff was probably the most powerful of the original run though so I agree it'll be a hard part to top in S2...

Do you think? Most Alias stories tied strongly into the main Marvel universe and they culminated in the Kilgrave arc. Not a huge amount happened in The Pulse

other than an arc about how Jessica reacted to what was happening to Luke and Danielle's birth

and in the New Avengers Jessica is more of a bit player. Outside of Kilgrave, her main storyline is probably the

Skrulls stealing Danielle

and that's obviously not a goer for season 2.

Jessica is a fantastic character and Alias is one of my favourite books but Bendis uses her very, very sparingly and rarely lets other writers include her. It's probably because she's a hard character to write in a team as she's more interesting on the side-lines, while as an Avenger she's just another cape. Most of her greatness is in how she lives in the Marvel universe as she crosses the threshold between damaged, ordinary person and amazing super-powered being. Her relationship with JJ Jameson is a treat, her unique angle on the world gives brilliant insight into Carol, her friendship with Steve makes them both better characters. The Netflix series can't do any of that as the MCU doesn't have decades of history for Jessica to give a new view of.

My guess is that season 2 will focus on Trish as she and Jessica investigate IGH (the MCU Weapon Plus/Project Homegrown stand in). It's been hinted that company are somehow involved in Jessica's origins and responsible for Simpson's enhanced abilities which Trish utilised in season 1. Jessica will be drawn in to find out more about her background while Trish will supposedly want to know what happened to Simpson while really being on a mission to become permanently powered herself.

Nervous Wreck · 23-10-2016 12:31pm

^^Gah, you're right. Every storyline I can think of now has a centre around a major movie player that obviously can't be used. I never actually read the New Avengers stuff, I just assumed there'd be *something* useable... That said, the Killgrave story in Alias was the last arc; around 6 issues max (iirc, though it's been a good while) so if they could get 13 episodes out of that idea, I'm sure they could pull some stuff outta the rest to use.

I think you're right about the IGH story, though I find that a little uninteresting so I hope it's not constantly at the fore... kinda hoping to see more of Trish in S2 as well.

Slydice · 09-12-2017 11:14pm

Season 2!

CastorTroy · 09-12-2017 11:21pm

Just saw that trailer. Didn't realise season 2 of Jessica was next. Thought Luke was for some reason

11-12-2017 10:21am

I worry that without Kilgrave, JJ S2 will be as interesting as Iron Fist. So far in the Netflix Canon only Daredevil and Punisher are interesting enough by themselves. JJ and Luke Cage both suffer from having supporting cast that are far more superior than the aforementioned leads.

And then there's iron fist.

FunLover18 · 11-12-2017 10:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

I worry that without Kilgrave, JJ S2 will be as interesting as Iron Fist. So far in the Netflix Canon only Daredevil and Punisher are interesting enough by themselves. JJ and Luke Cage both suffer from having supporting cast that are far more superior than the aforementioned leads.

And then there's iron fist.

Kilgrave will appear this season, although my guess is that it will be a flashback or hallucination.

Sudden Valley · 11-12-2017 2:51pm

Looking forward to season 2 but the first season was so good but Kilgrave was such an interesting character so the new big bad will have a lot to live up to. The Marvel series do have a problem with the lack of interesting enemies with only Fisk and Kilgrave being the exceptions.

EoinMcLovin · 07-02-2018 5:08pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSvnepZS26s

brianregan09 · 07-02-2018 10:43pm

Jessica Jones more than proved in the Defenders Season that she's more than capable of handling herself in her own show , I didn't realise this was coming so soon , Can't wait to watch it

Slydice · 07-02-2018 11:24pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

proved in the Defenders Season that she's more than capable of handling herself in her own show

This isn't season 1! Oh you gotta watch it!

Here's the first teaser from the first season:

09-02-2018 5:07pm

season 1 was good - hopefully 2 will be also. the only one of these superhero spin offs that I could get into / actually watched. then again Tennant was also a big part of why season 1 was good - will see how JJ will hold up without him.

OwaynOTT · 09-02-2018 8:59pm

glasso wrote: »

season 1 was good - hopefully 2 will be also. the only one of these superhero spin offs that I could get into / actually watched. then again Tennant was also a big part of why season 1 was good - will see how JJ will hold up without him.

Pretty sure that's him at the end of the advert. Purple tone to the picture.

EoinMcLovin · 20-02-2018 5:46pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4Fo6dJ3o8

Agent Coulson · 20-02-2018 6:59pm

Slydice · 27-02-2018 8:40pm

Indication of the first 5 episodes being bingable by the end of the 2nd episode:

Though.. also indication of further cheapification of the special effects budget.

flazio · 08-03-2018 6:53pm

Bumping this thread because season 2 is now available.

08-03-2018 10:29pm

so any good so far?

EPAndlee · 08-03-2018 10:32pm

About half way season 2. I am enjoying it so far

Brief_Lives · 08-03-2018 10:36pm

OK.. Stop... ðŸ˜‚

See you in 5 days

FreudianSlippers · 09-03-2018 9:35am

glasso wrote: »

so any good so far?

I read a review that criticised it... I'm 3 episodes in and I haven't agreed with a single criticism yet. I find the pacing to be a little better than season 1 so far.

Slydice · 09-03-2018 12:45pm

First episode is good. Without trying it feels like it's caught me up and setup the start of at least the first plot arc.

Slydice · 09-03-2018 6:03pm

In episode 2, I thought it was mixed.

The story developed but at one point she's bluffing her way into a cermemony that looked similar to a Wake and says she's looking forward to a speech and I think after that I started skewing to thinking the writing for the whole episode was lazy.

Slydice · 09-03-2018 11:30pm

Quality level is back up in episode 3.

I remember reading or hearing a review saying there was a hook early in the series. Looks like it's episode 3

Slydice · 10-03-2018 1:17am

Bigger hook in episode 4!

Varik · 10-03-2018 1:19am

Steep drop from season 1, It was all over the place. Some motivation in the last couple of episodes were driven to their extremes and seem right out of place and then there's the Hogarth story line which seems pointless.

Slydice · 10-03-2018 3:20pm

Episode 5 was good.

I kinda paused and had a bit of a LOL from the scene

where she's on the phone and askes Malcolm for help

At the end there..

something about it suggests to me that Kilgrave might have been able to copy himself into that other guy

. Hrmmm.

EPAndlee · 10-03-2018 7:46pm

Just finished episode 11. I thought it took a bit of a dip in the middle but picked up again

Slydice · 10-03-2018 8:14pm

Just finished 6!

Arg! How did I not even guess that!?

DMcL1971 · 10-03-2018 10:21pm

I downloaded a torrent of this and have just watched the first episode.

I was very confused. Having not seen season one since it was first broadcast I thought I must have forgot a lot of it. Then I thought, they are really throwing us in at the deep end with out explaining much. But I assumed all would become clear by the end of the first episode. Then I got even more confused an wondered if had needed to watch Defenders before watching this as I still couldn't follow what was going on. At the end of the episode I did a bit of searching around the internet and realised that whoever uploaded the episodes had mis-labeled them and I had just watched the final episode not the first episode.

Well, as you can imagine, I am not too pleased that I saw the finale first and now know how the whole season will finish. But I like the characters so I am going to watch episodes 1-12 anyway.

Slydice · 11-03-2018 12:39am

Episode 7

Well. That's some backstory.

Double feels there cos like.. you can see the mothers perspective and Jessicas perspective

and then the Doctor

he doesn't come across as looking too bad given he saved their lives when they show is making out like either one or both of em wouldn't have made it

I recognised

the boyfriend

. He was in the show revolution, he was the baddies (well.. antiheros?) son: http://revolution.wikia.com/wiki/Connor_Bennett

At the start of the episode, the doctor is wearing a blue/red t-shirt. I thought it might be something superhero related but it's not. It's the logo for a band called Grateful Dead:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead
They had two top-5 (main-rock) songs:
(3) Grateful Dead - Hell in a Bucket (Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7I6ibA-SM
(1) Grateful Dead - Touch of Grey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaXTg3nAuY
I didn't really get into those songs but saw they had a cover of Dancing In The Streets and give it a bit of a listen to:

Skerries · 11-03-2018 10:30pm

DMcL1971 wrote: »

I downloaded a torrent of this and have just watched the first episode.

I realised that whoever uploaded the episodes had mis-labeled them and I had just watched the final episode not the first episode.

same happened to me but I realised pretty quickly but it still did spoil something for me

Jessica Jones [Netflix]

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