Mens Rights Thread

iptba · 10-05-2019 3:02pm

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/lidl_ireland/status/1119163729160044544?s=11
https://twitter.com/lidl_ireland/status/1119166285475004416
In case it's not clear, this company is going out over €250,000 worth of kit to girls' football teams

#LesbianDayOfVisibility
#LesbianVisibilityDay

AIB Twitter ad. Only highlighting female victims
https://twitter.com/aibireland/status/1121768854139625473?s=11

#ShePaysThePrice
https://twitter.com/devsounds/status/1123595989133164545
https://twitter.com/naomimkennan/status/1123546277768302592

#IBelieveHer

#FeministEurope
https://twitter.com/Harmonica26/status/1125821696752128005

#womensinspire

#WorldOvarianCancerDay

Twitter ads:
https://twitter.com/threeireland/status/1126388835745714177?s=11
https://twitter.com/aigireland/status/1126432901434945536?s=11

iptba · 22-05-2019 3:46pm

"David Chance: 'Record numbers in work - but younger men get left behind'

[..]

But the rate of unemployment among 15-24-year-old men is still almost three times that of the general working-age population, something that has its roots in the crisis years, Mr Nugent said.

"I think a good chunk of the ground left to be recovered in the participation rate is explained by the huge drop in the participation rates for young men from the implosion in construction," he noted."

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/david-chance-record-numbers-in-work-but-younger-men-get-left-behind-38136281.html

tritium · 22-05-2019 4:19pm

A very interesting move by Diageo, it will be interesting to see if it catches on elsewhere

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/diageo-to-introduce-26-weeks-paid-paternity-leave-for-irish-dads-38138025.html

iptba · 24-05-2019 7:16pm

iptba · 26-05-2019 8:10pm

Non-neutral language from this RTE reporter, I see

At this point less than a quarter of all local authority seats have been filled by women – 24% to be precise. This is a slight improvement on 2014 when 21% of seats were won by women.

https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0526/1051828-election-2019-women-councillors/

In all 563 women ran out of a total 1977 candidates across the country.

(that's 28%)

Maxpfizer · 28-05-2019 1:41pm

iptba wrote: »

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

AIB Twitter ad. Only highlighting female victims
https://twitter.com/aibireland/status/1121768854139625473?s=11

I would like to engage in a bit of "whataboutery" here.

AIB: "Women are experiencing an abuse no one is talking about"

But you ARE talking about it, AIB. Not only are you talking about it but you are ignoring approx 50% of the population who may also be experiencing the exact same abuse. Surely there are also males out there in relationships where their partner controls their money? What about same sex couples?

Ultimately making it so that, actually, it's ONLY abuse of women that anyone is talking about. Everyone else gets ignored and remains in the "no one is talking about it" bracket.

I just don't know who they can't look at this and see the flaws.

"Nobody seems to be talking about women experiencing this type of abuse. So we will talk about it and then it's only non-women that nobody is talking about".

What about men? Nah, somebody else can talk about that.

You could see the sense if society was constantly going on about abuse of men and somebody comes along and says "you know we should talk about women too".

However, here it's more like we only want to focus on one subset of victims as if they are the only ones people are ignoring. Despite the fact that also nobody is talking about the other subsets of victims.

Exploiting victimhood for advertising and marketing purposes is shameful enough but flat out ignoring some victims based on gender alone is kind of disgraceful.

iptba · 30-05-2019 1:26pm

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The chairman of European Union leaders Donald Tusk on Tuesday got a mandate to seek out the best candidates for the EU’s top jobs this year and said he aimed to fill at least half of them with women.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-election-summit-tusk/eus-tusk-wants-at-least-two-women-in-top-eu-jobs-idUSKCN1SY2CZ

Calhoun · 30-05-2019 1:35pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-election-summit-tusk/eus-tusk-wants-at-least-two-women-in-top-eu-jobs-idUSKCN1SY2CZ

Apparently Phil Hogan could be in trouble because of this lol.

iptba · 30-05-2019 2:33pm

Maxpfizer wrote: »

I would like to engage in a bit of "whataboutery" here.

AIB: "Women are experiencing an abuse no one is talking about"

But you ARE talking about it, AIB. Not only are you talking about it but you are ignoring approx 50% of the population who may also be experiencing the exact same abuse. Surely there are also males out there in relationships where their partner controls their money? What about same sex couples?

Ultimately making it so that, actually, it's ONLY abuse of women that anyone is talking about. Everyone else gets ignored and remains in the "no one is talking about it" bracket.

I just don't know who they can't look at this and see the flaws.

"Nobody seems to be talking about women experiencing this type of abuse. So we will talk about it and then it's only non-women that nobody is talking about".

What about men? Nah, somebody else can talk about that.

You could see the sense if society was constantly going on about abuse of men and somebody comes along and says "you know we should talk about women too".

However, here it's more like we only want to focus on one subset of victims as if they are the only ones people are ignoring. Despite the fact that also nobody is talking about the other subsets of victims.

Exploiting victimhood for advertising and marketing purposes is shameful enough but flat out ignoring some victims based on gender alone is kind of disgraceful.

I recall one of the catch phrases of those raising awareness of domestic violence has been “end the silence on domestic violence” and yet they themselves have very often ignored male victims. Some also say the effects shouldn’t be downplayed and then they downplay abuse male victims can endure. Some also say the victim shouldn’t be blamed but when the victim is male do that.

Ilovemycharlie · 30-05-2019 4:03pm

I love psycho women

iptba · 30-05-2019 6:09pm

From the Irish Independent:

Liz Kearney: 'Men better at reading maps? Oh, get lost...'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/liz-kearney-men-better-at-reading-maps-oh-get-lost--38163067.html

So I was interested to read neuroscientist Gina Rippon's take on men, women and our respective map-reading abilities this week.

Gina works as a professor of cognitive neuro-imaging - fancy! - and delivered a lecture at the Hay Literary Festival in Wales where she said the accepted wisdom men are better map readers holds water. But, she says, this is mainly because they play with lots of Lego growing up, not Barbies, so have spent years honing spatial awareness skills.

I'm left wondering how thoroughly she tested the abilities of any of these so-called superior map-readers, or did she rely on their own versions of events? Because I may not know much about cognitive neuro-imaging, but I'm pretty familiar with the art of male self-deception.

Most of the men of my acquaintance are no better at map-reading than I am - they're just utterly unable to admit they don't know where they're going.

I very much doubt the neuroscientist simply depended on self-report.

Calhoun · 30-05-2019 6:27pm

Its opinion comment from a cabbage who is grasping at straws. Like the idiot who thought she had to hide her pregnancy to become a councillor.

iptba · 01-06-2019 2:50am

Boys in poor urban areas around the world are suffering even more than girls from violence, abuse and neglect, groundbreaking international research published Monday suggests.

The study in the Journal of Adolescent Health, along with similar new research, suggests an adequate focus on helping boys is critical to achieving gender equality in the longer term.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/boys-trauma-research-1.5142602

iptba · 03-06-2019 10:30pm

"Bull****: if you don't mean all men, don't use it"

https://gootbuttheich0u.tumblr.com/post/185326920599/bull****-if-you-dont-mean-all-men-then-dont-use

Makes a change from so many negative Tumblr posts I've seen about men.

iptba · 08-06-2019 3:07pm

iptba wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what effect so many people having genetic tests like with Ancestry will have. Cases of misattributed paternity or paternity fraud are showing up. The children and spouses (if alive) can be quite upset. Also I saw one woman complaining she wanted to know her biological father for medical history reasons.

Tears welled in her eyes as Christine Skipsey recalled the moment her world was turned upside down.

For the first 51 years of her life, the mother-of-two never for a moment questioned her own identity. But last summer, following considerable publicity about the illegal adoption scandal in Ireland, she and the woman she always knew as "mum", Helen Maguire, decided to get DNA tests.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nuns-handed-me-wrong-baby-and-gave-mine-away-38193706.html

Silentcorner · 09-06-2019 10:04am

Men are more likely to be victims of domestic abuse.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-domestic-abuse-cuts-both-ways-and-differently-for-women-and-men?fbclid=IwAR2oEXsZUWxZAhR-EjNIUQJvn6uI-GMh7lcuTn8yxbwWqzA8D-7CCQvpUGs

You have to wonder how we find ourselves in a world that acts like it is the complete opposite! These are innocent men being abused in their homes who are being largely ignored.

citytillidie · 09-06-2019 5:30pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Men are more likely to be victims of domestic abuse.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-domestic-abuse-cuts-both-ways-and-differently-for-women-and-men?fbclid=IwAR2oEXsZUWxZAhR-EjNIUQJvn6uI-GMh7lcuTn8yxbwWqzA8D-7CCQvpUGs

You have to wonder how we find ourselves in a world that acts like it is the complete opposite! These are innocent men being abused in their homes who are being largely ignored.

Because violence by woman against men is laughed at almost celebrated in the media and tv

the_pen_turner · 09-06-2019 5:41pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Because violence by woman against men is laughed at almost celebrated in the media and tv

exactly. look at johny depp and amber heard. everyone was calling for his head but as soon as the truth along with a shed load of evidene came to light nothing.
the media is very quiet and her career is growing rather than the witch hunt that went after depp

citytillidie · 12-06-2019 4:05pm

RTE last year had Hope Solo on their panel for the World Cup and the BBC have her this year for the Women's World Cup just have a look at her past she had to come here and no American channel would have her because of it.

H3llR4iser · 13-06-2019 11:33am

Apologies for coming late to the party, but I just saw the "financial abuse" thingie a page or two back. I find it...rather interesting.

Now, this is entirely anecdotal and based on my own experience but...I'd go out on a limb and say that I've almost exclusively saw that scenario reversed; Plenty of male colleagues, for example, literally have to ask for "permission" to buy something or go somewhere to their partners and often make jokes that their paycheck is something they just see flying by at the end of each month. Sure, some are joking - but I get the impression most are dead serious; And this is a recurring theme - I've seen it wherever I worked.

Personally, I've been in a similar situation - ex girlfriend insisted on moving in together, kept pretending to be looking for a job (she refused no less than 3 or 4 offers in one year, at the height of the recession, because they were "beneath her"), but in the end it was me with my non-stellar salary ( I was on something like 25k back then) having to foot all the bills. I was working 9-10 hours a day, often having to put in nights at the week end, always opting to work on bank holidays for the double pay, and could afford absolutely nothing; On top of that, she was dire at managing money - she'd go out and do food shopping for a single day...in Centra; Or she'd go and spend 100-200 on some dress or handbag she would then never wear or use...and she also racked up a frankly impressive credit card debt. i was just expected to stay silent and pay up whenever some bill came in the post; A few times I tried to talk to her, trying to get her to moderate her spending and use the money smarter (e.g. go to Lidl rather than buying day-to-day in Centra), but of course I was labeled as "controlling" and "abusive", especially when she basically got some of her friends to nose in as well (beautiful, I know).

In all of this it wasn't rare that I had to walk the 90 minutes to the office and another 90 minutes back the last week of the month, because I simply didn't have the change for the bus.

This just to bring a personal experience to the table, of the kind that is usually not heard of / laughed / ignored. Of course, I see all the above as exclusively my own fault - I should've walked out much much much earlier than the relationship eventually broke down, but hindsight is always 10/10, isn't it?

iptba · 13-06-2019 6:14pm

A positive article

Mum's the word: Happy Father’s Day to all the men creating wonderful memories
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/mums-the-word-happy-fathers-day-to-all-the-men-creating-wonderful-memories-930406.html

is_that_so · 13-06-2019 6:17pm

iptba wrote: »

A positive article

Meh, just another greeting card holiday. More guilting of sprogs!

iptba · 13-06-2019 10:51pm

ForestFire · 14-06-2019 5:10pm

I will post this in here as it seems like a good match...

Firstly, I will admit I only skimmed down through this article (I did search the article for "Men" and "Man" and it does not appear)
Secondly, Domestic violence against anyone is wrong and all victims should have equal support

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

I mean talk about a complete farce of an Article...."how the Irish media represent domestic violence"

And then not one mention of how this can also affect Men, How it is more unlikely men will report it due to fear, and the stigma that it cannot happen this way, as men are "Stronger"...

Well done RTE in correcting the Misrepresentation....NOT.....

tmh106 · 14-06-2019 5:39pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Apologies for coming late to the party, but I just saw the "financial abuse" thingie a page or two back. I find it...rather interesting.

Now, this is entirely anecdotal and based on my own experience but...

How is what you describe abuse? You ex sounds like a not very nice person (to put it mildly) and I cannot understand why you stayed with her, but how was any of this abuse. As far as I can tell you were not being coerced into these arrangements, you may have been under unhappy with them (understandably) but you chose to continue with them.

iptba · 14-06-2019 6:05pm

ForestFire wrote: »

I will post this in here as it seems like a good match...

Firstly, I will admit I only skimmed down through this article (I did search the article for "Men" and "Man" and it does not appear)
Secondly, Domestic violence against anyone is wrong and all victims should have equal support

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

I mean talk about a complete farce of an Article...."how the Irish media represent domestic violence"

And then not one mention of how this can also affect Men, How it is more unlikely men will report it due to fear, and the stigma that it cannot happen this way, as men are "Stronger"...

Well done RTE in correcting the Misrepresentation....NOT.....

Probably not that surprising that these entities tweeted links to the article without criticism:

https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1139551219645648896
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1139561921995296769
https://twitter.com/SVCCork/status/1139551206882381825

And probably not that surprising that the author calls herself a feminist:

https://twitter.com/AOBVanV

[COLOR=rgba(20, 23, 26, 1)]Anne O' Brien

[COLOR=rgba(101, 119, 134, 1)]@AOBVanV[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=rgba(20, 23, 26, 1)]Media and gender. Feminist. Lecturer at Maynooth University
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She explains herself how good media coverage is important:

How the media approaches this topic can impact on how much support agencies such as Women’s Aid and Safe Ireland get from the State to support their work in advocating for victims. How the media shapes the national understanding of domestic violence really matters for the women phoning the support lines.

iptba · 15-06-2019 3:49pm

ForestFire wrote: »

I will post this in here as it seems like a good match...

Firstly, I will admit I only skimmed down through this article (I did search the article for "Men" and "Man" and it does not appear)
Secondly, Domestic violence against anyone is wrong and all victims should have equal support

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0610/1054532-the-issues-with-how-the-irish-media-represent-domestic-violence/

I mean talk about a complete farce of an Article...."how the Irish media represent domestic violence"

And then not one mention of how this can also affect Men, How it is more unlikely men will report it due to fear, and the stigma that it cannot happen this way, as men are "Stronger"...

Well done RTE in correcting the Misrepresentation....NOT.....

Coverage can be skewed when victims are blamed in subtle ways. Victims are most usually blamed for their inaction when the question ‘Why didn’t she leave?’ is asked. This is the question posed in place of journalists asking why wasn’t the perpetrator sanctioned or removed from the home.

Perpetrators are similarly let off the hook when their actions are described as ‘out of character’ for a ‘pillar of the community’, when they are described as ‘flipping’ or as having ‘mental health issues’ in cases where there is no pre-existing evidence of any mental illness and questions about pre-existing patterns of coercive control are not examined.

I wonder whether she has the same attitude when the perpetrator is female. My impression is many people with similar views are inclined to make excuses when the perpetrator is female.

iptba · 16-06-2019 3:03pm

Heart-warming:

Ruth O’Connor asks four Irish creatives to write love letters to their Dads in time for Father’s Day
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/dear-dad-love-letters-to-the-old-man-on-fathers-day-930613.html

Kimsang · 16-06-2019 11:22pm

iptba wrote: »

I wonder whether she has the same attitude when the perpetrator is female. My impression is many people with similar views are inclined to make excuses when the perpetrator is female.

The 'excuse' I encounter the most is that women are perpetrators far less frequently. Obviously this is not a real excuse, and just a deflection(and in some cases not true). Getting a feminist to answer this properly is like getting a rabbit to use a toilet.

Interesting clip of Dr. Julia Shaw plugging her new venture(last year) spot.com. In it, she explains removing cognitive bias from an interviewer when dealing with victims by making the interviewer automated conversation.
Actually I quite liked the idea, until I realized someone has to program it.

I then found a more recent Sky News Interview with her
She uses all the usual feminist talking points to answer "Why do men behave violently towards women", while completely deflecting with "It rarely happens" when asked by the interviewer "Why do women behave violently towards men".

iptba · 18-06-2019 6:59pm

Parental alienation has been recognised by the World Health Organisation as a disorder. Hopefully this will bring more focus on it.

Drivetime on RTE Radio One has just had an interview on it. It was a little abstract; it would have been nice if more details had been given.

iptba · 20-06-2019 4:35pm

Just listening to discussion about the next EU leadership positions. Politicians saying at least one of top jobs must go to a woman. Also Ireland may be basically forced to propose a woman as our commissioner. I remember something similar happened with Maura Geoghegan Quinn.

iptba · 21-06-2019 3:29pm

https://twitter.com/hse_hr/status/1141688982855700486?s=11
https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1141776900349730816?s=11

iptba · 24-06-2019 2:21pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/communion-spending-parents-4692466-Jun2019/

The kids, themselves, meanwhile received an average of €617 for their first holy Communion this year. A quarter of children received more than €800.

On average, girls (€646) received more than boys (€587).

Now I'm not sure this means that much in the greater scheme of things, but it might balance up some other situation where there is some minor preference showed to boys on average.

H3llR4iser · 25-06-2019 12:55pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/communion-spending-parents-4692466-Jun2019/

Now I'm not sure this means that much in the greater scheme of things, but it might balance up some other situation where there is some minor preference showed to boys on average.

Completely unrelated but...holy mother of the flying' spaghetti monster, 800 Euro to a 10 years old kid?

I think I got what would be roughly 52 Euro in today's money for my Communion. Granted, it was 29 years ago, but still

Also:

79% of the workforce in @HSELive are women.

Where are the "gender quotas" now? How is it positive that a (semi?) public organization employs almost exclusively one gender? And if the logical reasoning is just that you find overwhelmingly more women in these career paths then maybe, just maybe, the same quite logical reasoning can be applied to fields where there are "too many men"?

py2006 · 26-06-2019 5:58pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Where are the "gender quotas" now? How is it positive that a (semi?) public organization employs almost exclusively one gender? And if the logical reasoning is just that you find overwhelmingly more women in these career paths then maybe, just maybe, the same quite logical reasoning can be applied to fields where there are "too many men"?

Oh no you didn't!!!

You are now sooooooooooooooooooo misogynistic.

...Ghost... · 26-06-2019 7:36pm

tmh106 wrote: »

How is what you describe abuse? You ex sounds like a not very nice person (to put it mildly) and I cannot understand why you stayed with her, but how was any of this abuse. As far as I can tell you were not being coerced into these arrangements, you may have been under unhappy with them (understandably) but you chose to continue with them.

Switch the genders.

Apologies for coming late to the party, but I just saw the "financial abuse" thingie a page or two back. I find it...rather interesting.

Now, this is entirely anecdotal and based on my own experience but...I'd go out on a limb and say that I've almost exclusively saw that scenario
reversed
; Plenty of female colleagues, for example, literally have to ask for "permission" to buy something or go somewhere to their partners and often make jokes that their paycheck is something they just see flying by at the end of each month. Sure, some are joking - but I get the impression most are dead serious; And this is a recurring theme - I've seen it wherever I worked.

Personally, I've been in a similar situation - ex boyfriend insisted on moving in together, kept pretending to be looking for a job (he refused no less than 3 or 4 offers in one year, at the height of the recession, because they were "beneath him"), but in the end it was me with my non-stellar salary ( I was on something like 25k back then) having to foot all the bills. I was working 9-10 hours a day, often having to put in nights at the week end, always opting to work on bank holidays for the double pay, and could afford absolutely nothing; On top of that, he was dire at managing money - he'd go out and do food shopping for a single day...in Centra; Or he'd go and spend 100-200 on some clothes or gadget he would then never wear or use...and he also racked up a frankly impressive credit card debt. i was just expected to stay silent and pay up whenever some bill came in the post; A few times I tried to talk to him, trying to get him to moderate his spending and use the money smarter (e.g. go to Lidl rather than buying day-to-day in Centra), but of course I was labeled as "controlling" and "abusive", especially when he basically got some of his friends to nose in as well (beautiful, I know).

In all of this it wasn't rare that I had to walk the 90 minutes to the office and another 90 minutes back the last week of the month, because I simply didn't have the change for the bus.

This just to bring a personal experience to the table, of the kind that is usually not heard of / laughed / ignored. Of course, I see all the above as exclusively my own fault - I should've walked out much much much earlier than the relationship eventually broke down, but hindsight is always 10/10, isn't it?

Do you see it now?

iptba · 27-06-2019 9:55pm

Not discrimination per se though perhaps there is or has been so-called "positive discrimination"

On Wednesday, Aer Lingus launched a new campaign to attract women pilots, who now account for around one in ten of all pilots at the airline.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aviation-careers-women-aren-t-really-applying-which-is-a-shame-as-it-s-a-great-job-1.3938204
---
Also:

On receiving the award, O’Gorman - a mother of four adult children, one of whom, Laura is currently training as an air traffic control assistant, said it “should be an encouragement for all girls to consider this exciting and rewarding career. Women aren’t really applying which is a shame as it is a great job.

iptba · 02-07-2019 12:52pm

I just came across the following my chance, so wanted to highlight its existence somewhere.
https://twitter.com/EP_GenderEqual
FEMM Committee PressVerified account
@EP_GenderEqual

News from the European Parliament Committee for Women's Rights & Gender Equality. Account managed by Nicolas Delaleu. RTs ≠ endorsement.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/femm/home.html

iptba · 03-07-2019 2:14am

I often feel male and female lives in the past were more complex than are sometimes presented. For what it is worth, I just came across the following about life in Sparta:

https://teymurvisuals.com/starpony/wtfhistory-jesuisuneetoile-like-guys

wtfhistory:

jesuisuneetoile:

Like, guys. Sparta was so kick ASS sometimes when it came to women. Spartan women were given these small knives so that if their husbands came home and tried to hit them or assault them, they had a weapon within reach. That weapon was for CUTTING THEIR HUSBANDS’ ****ING FACES so that when he went out in public everyone would know he was an asshole, abusing jerkface and they would publicly shame him.

LET’S JUST TALK ABOUT SPARTAN WOMEN FOR A SECOND.

In Sparta, women could own land and were considered citizens. THAT IS A HUGE BIG ****ING DEAL. Why? Because that was RARE AS **** and there are lots of places TODAY where women don’t even get that much.

Divorce was totally fine, and a woman could expect to keep her own wealth and get custody of the kids because paternal lineage wasn’t very important. And it didn’t make her a pariah! She could totally remarry, no big deal at all.

Spartan women participated in some ****in’ badass sporting events, too. And because they were expected to be as physically fit as the Spartan menfolk (who all had to serve compulsory military duties, btw, and couldn’t marry until they finished them at thirty) they didn’t have time for lots of swishy dresses. So they wore notoriously short skirts. According to some accounts, their thighs were visible at all times. HOLY ****.

Also, In Sparta men only got their names on their graves if they died in battle. And women? Women only got their names on their graves if they died in childbirth. THE SPARTANS COMPARED CHILDBIRTH TO ****ING BATTLE AND IT WAS VIEWED AS A GODDAMN BADASS AND HONORABLE WAY TO GO OUT.

****ING SPARTAN WOMEN. THIS DUDE HAD ****IN’ BETTER MAKE SURE SHE’S COOL WITH WHATEVER HE’S DOING, IF HE KNOWS WHAT’S ****IN’ GOOD FOR HIM.

iptba · 03-07-2019 3:22pm

(Not important)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/dalai-lama-genuinely-meant-no-offence-with-his-comments-about-possibility-of-female-successor-934453.html

Dalai Lama

"Under his leadership, Tibetan nuns in exile have earned Geshe-ma degrees, indicating a high level of scholarship previously reserved only for male monks. His Holiness has frequently suggested that if we had more women leaders, the world would be a more peaceful place."

I've no idea whether this is correct or not. But it's a common theme, that public figures mention the world would be a better place with female leaders. If on average female leaders would be different, there would likely be areas where they are worse, as well as areas where they are better but the areas where they are worse don't tend to get mentioned.

Calhoun · 03-07-2019 3:36pm

Its a nice sound bite but ultimately if people are serious about the comments they utter then they would step aside and let the female leaders take over.

More often than not its to placate a vocal section of society but they have no intention of stepping aside.

Some female leaders will be better some will be worse, if we truly belive in an equal society it should be the person not the gender we elect.

The fear that every voter in their right mind should have is tokenism and unqualified and bad fits being pushed in place.

Also just to point out this is the same Dalai Lama who said the next leader should be a pretty woman as an ugly one wouldnt cut it. The cute hoor is just playing a game as he thinks it will get more support for his religion. Deep down though id say he doesnt give a shiny ****e.

LegacyUser · 03-07-2019 4:24pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Personally, I've been in a similar situation - ex girlfriend insisted on moving in together, kept pretending to be looking for a job (she refused no less than 3 or 4 offers in one year, at the height of the recession, because they were "beneath her"), but in the end it was me with my non-stellar salary ( I was on something like 25k back then) having to foot all the bills. I was working 9-10 hours a day, often having to put in nights at the week end, always opting to work on bank holidays for the double pay, and could afford absolutely nothing; On top of that, she was dire at managing money - she'd go out and do food shopping for a single day...in Centra; Or she'd go and spend 100-200 on some dress or handbag she would then never wear or use...and she also racked up a frankly impressive credit card debt. i was just expected to stay silent and pay up whenever some bill came in the post; A few times I tried to talk to her, trying to get her to moderate her spending and use the money smarter (e.g. go to Lidl rather than buying day-to-day in Centra), but of course I was labeled as "controlling" and "abusive", especially when she basically got some of her friends to nose in as well (beautiful, I know).

Regular poster but would like to stay anonymous for this, if that's ok. I find it difficult enough to discuss these topics even with an Alias.

The more I read this thread the more I question my relationship with my OH. She was very controlling when it came to me spending my money. Early on we both worked, there was no issues regarding money, we had decent paying jobs. I guess it started out gradually with "are you sure you need that" and then "spending money on an experience is much better than material things". That's ok, that's her opinion. It got to the stage where I would have to hide the things I bought myself. Or if I couldn't hide it I would have to ask her and convince her "Ok then, you can get it". I felt like a child. We would fight over what I spent my money on. We would never mention what she spent her money on (regardless how many handbags and shoes she has). She simply didn't accept my opinion at all. I shouldn't have to convince anybody what I spend MY money on. We don't have a mortgage or any debt at all.

Now it's her that's purchasing things non stop. The house is filled with rubbish that we never use. It's psychological abuse I think. (There's more to it, but I don't think this is the place for that story).

Currently trying to get out of this relationship but it's not so simple. I am a stay at home dad and live in her country, she was homesick so moved to her home country and I am really struggling here. I can't just up and leave and I have literally zero friends here. The more I think about it the more miserable I become. If I didn't have my son to care for I don't think I would be here today...

Sleepy · 04-07-2019 12:03pm

It's also a fallacy that female rulers are more peaceful:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/06/01/who-gets-into-more-wars-kings-or-queens

Ilovemycharlie · 04-07-2019 12:18pm

Lefties ruining this country. We need more conservatives

H3llR4iser · 04-07-2019 12:53pm

Ilovemycharlie wrote: »

Lefties ruining this country. We need more conservatives

That's the big problem and the risk with the current socio-political climate: what you really need is common sense and reason. It doesn't take a genius to see that "gender quotas" are an idiotic idea, nor that pinning every single issue in society to "toxic masculinity" is a cheap "get out of jail" card and not even to figure out what painting women as "designed victims" is daft and counterproductive. Yet, plenty of people buy into the narrative, blindly, almost in a brainwashed fashion.

This is causing, as it often happened in human history, a proportionately illogical and aggressive counter-reaction with the conservative and even fascist ideologies gaining ground again. It will be worse and worse in the future if we keep on this road.

Calhoun · 04-07-2019 5:22pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This is causing, as it often happened in human history, a proportionately illogical and aggressive counter-reaction with the conservative and even fascist ideologies gaining ground again. It will be worse and worse in the future if we keep on this road.

I really fear there is going to be a big hard reset and people will really suffer.

If I was to guess I would say that the LGBT community will take the brunt of it.

LostinBlanch · 05-07-2019 2:36pm

Sleepy wrote: »

It's also a fallacy that female rulers are more peaceful:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/06/01/who-gets-into-more-wars-kings-or-queens

I remember reading somewhere that in Northeastern US Indian tribes women were kept out of influencing tribal councils regarding disputes with other tribes. They were seen as more likely to call for war because they wanted revenge for lost sons and husbands. Then the vicious circle would continue with women from other tribes calling for war to revenge their losses etc.

I'll see if I can dig out the book to find the exact quote.

Glass fused light · 05-07-2019 3:03pm

LostinBlanch wrote: »

Sleepy wrote: »

It's also a fallacy that female rulers are more peaceful:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/06/01/who-gets-into-more-wars-kings-or-queens

I remember reading somewhere that in Northeastern US Indian tribes women were kept out of influencing tribal councils regarding disputes with other tribes. They were seen as more likely to call for war because they wanted revenge for lost sons and husbands. Then the vicious circle would continue with women from other tribes calling for war to revenge their losses etc.

I'll see if I can dig out the book to find the exact quote.

Could be but most women know they cant run faster than a man, pregnant women less fast again, carrying babies slows you down too. So being raided in or near camp would endanger the weakest members of the tribe. A lot of tribes were maternal wrt property and childern and they would have equal say and status. Most Europeans would not see women as equals and as Christians beleive that women must submit to their husbands

Kimsang · 06-07-2019 1:17am

H3llR4iser wrote: »

It will be worse and worse in the future if we keep on this road.

There is a culture war have been happening for quite some time now. It just keeps building and building.. the only thing I see coming(eventually) is a civil war. I see no way for reconciliation, because of the ideas that one side have adopted.

What do others see as the destination we are heading for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y1WVvbqqB8

Glass fused light · 06-07-2019 7:55pm

I think its interesting to look at what happened at Evergreen college in 2017. Where they had a day where black people traditionaly opted to withdraw and attended events off campus. In that year the SJW's decided that the white students had to stay away. A professor objected as being racist. And it all blew up into white power v black oppression and social v science. What is interesting is the deen had already been in conflict with the campus police and effectively baned them off the campus and thus effectively allowed the students free reign to intimidate staff and students who did not agree with them.
Also intresting is the deen's take on what happened (as show by uploaded student video) after to news and the inquest.
Other colleges had sit-ins where in the evening of day1 the deen's basicly said you made your protest and we will be clearing the building in the am so staff have a safe work enviroment, any student found after will face disiplinary per the college rules.

Its interesting to see the videos posted by students themselves, denying their ability to access v expensive college educations (12.5k nett 20k gross) for fufu degrees in a capitalist county makes them very unsuppressed. And ID's them as problem employees in for profit businesses so they will end up as professional SJW

Sorry little rant:
Take toxic masculinity and all men are bad is supported by feminist gender theory and any objection is shut down as anti woman etc. I see the same reaction in the shout down of reasonable questions by the (trans)gender theory movement as suported by 3 wave feminists at the moment in the UK with regard to the self ID. In Scotland it was proposed that its instant, with no suporting info, or need to present as female/male. Hetro & LGB people in normal % per population with a body dismorphia about their birth sex.

But there is an underlying argument that XX women must accept penis and bearded, male dressing men as "real" women in identical in every way to themselves. And that they pose no danger unlike other hetro males could. Infact they need men free spaces to avoid dangerous men.

That men accept transmen in the same way. Plus that hetro males like lesbians should accept transwomen as sex partners. Not to do so is transphobic

Because men are not objecting this proves the objections from women are without foundation. Rather this makes these women more dangerous than toxic males. That objecting to such a XY person sharing shower in prisons/public pools etc is transphobic and therefore should be killed for their objection.

Its telling that the Girl Guides decided that it was ok to allow boys of any age and men +18's who ID to share overnight spaces with girls without informing the girls parents or applying safegarding that any mixed sex organisation would apply. It would be transphobic to do safegard as no man would ever ID to gain access to a child.

That a student was expelled in Scotland after posting a video stating that there are only males and females is nuts, and scary as we teach safegarding by sex based segragation. There are a lot more hetro sex offenders than there will ever be from LGB combined.

The initial punishment of one week suspension was for recording and posting the video.
The second punishmet of 2 extra weeks was for it staying viral. As was the expulsion. IMO it was a direct warning to any other student who objected to theory over basic biology. Biology is now transphobic.

The LGB will be harmed by this as most people dont care what you do in your own bedroom. But the T++ nutters lobby want to control this and have you sacked and excluded from society for basic common sense.

Eg I strongly object to the car ad which links adult sex toys and children. That a company would agree to this story line pay for its production and broadcast it, sadly this says a lot about the ideological shift of acceptable social behaviour when it comes to public sexual acts v child protection. Thats toxic liberal 'queer' theory at work.
End rant

In ireland we have had mainly a monocultural society where in the USA they are too multi-cultural to have ever mergered into a group with a common history. Even using the word African American v American emphises the ideological split.

The " black lives matter" shows the split between the community and law enforcment. Some of it is victimhood BS by people who are educated enough to know better, as it undermines real racial profiling and that gun ownership results in a shoot first self defence policy. But its also ignoring the violence which is normalised with in some communities.

Civil war in the US would be coming from the white anti gov supporters as most groups have ex army and gun collections etc.

In ireland it depends on how many support the "gov should pay me more from taxes, owes me a house" etc v the people who are benefiting economically they are too busy working to riot.

The anti-Catholic by stealty stand the gov's have taken will be interesting as it plays out eg the dail comment read from a script, blaming lack of schools for non-relegious people on religon rather than the Dep of Ed failing to honour the consitution and support funding as is their legal entitlement. We may find that there are a lot of belivers in hiding, untill it comes to their children.

I dont think that we yet have enough social division to spark civil unrest and most of us will walk away from a violent protest. The younger generation would not have been taught about the damage our civil war did to families and communities and those directly impacted are dieing out so who knows what the future holds.

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