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  • #102
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    golfball37 wrote: »
    The 3 are from 2 of the most respected families in our community, great neighbors. your post says a lot more about you than them.


    Speaks volumes about the toadies who "respect" them.


  • #103
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    dotsman wrote: »
    I know it is legal. You don't need to keep repeating it. It doesn't mean it is right.

    And no that doesn't mean its wrong. It's a service necessary to control rogue / sick / diseased foxes. And I've no problem with that being legal. Neither do many others.
    dotsman wrote: »
    Most stories are of the "dingo stole my baby variety". A lot more dogs are involved in attacks on babies, children, adults and pets. Are you suggest we start hunting dogs?

    Jeez chxrst. Are you simply going to dismiss everyone of those reports because you believe foxes are cute or something?

    We were talking about a professional licensed pest control service. And no Its not a fracking competition. Dogs who bite etc are generally hauled off to the vet to be pts. Not much different tbh.
    dotsman wrote: »
    I have a problem with scumbags, as most people do. And where did I say I wish them dead?

    Hoping that kids / teenagers fall off their horses is pathetic just because you don't agree with something they do. Yes a fall off a horse can kill. Calling anyone a 'scumbag' because you don't agree with them is puerile.
    dotsman wrote: »
    I have no problem with animals behaving as nature intended. Why would I, or anyone?

    For the reason that animals can become diseased or sick or get out of control. Its not that hard to understand tbh.


  • #104
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    dotsman wrote: »
    You seem to have a real dark twisted hatred for beautiful wildlife. You should probably talk to someone about that.
    In the meantime, this might cheer you up - some videos of foxes being rescued by decent humans (and released!)

    Projection my friend? Calling kids "vile cúnts" and wishing them harm suggests some serious issues on your part.

    Nope and there's no "dark twisted hatred for beautiful wildlife" or whatever bull**** you are making up to deflect from your apparent hatred for other people.

    Considering I look after a wildlife wetland conservation area for birds and other wildlife you are so far off reality I'm not sure to start tbh. I presume you simply dont have a clue other than what you've seen on cute 'Youtube' videos Lol.

    I'll leave you with your disney version of reality.


  • #105
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    That might be true. I would say you prefer bickering about it online though, lets be honest here, you are more fond of getting nasty with your keyboard over some edgy topic like fox hunting?

    I like watership down , that does not give me the right to be hostile towards someone who enjoys rabbit stew.

    Get real.


    What's edgy about it? It's blatant animal cruelty just like badger baiting, cock fights, dog fights etc. You think they're ok too?


  • #106
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    What's edgy about it? It's blatant animal cruelty just like badger baiting, cock fights, dog fights etc. You think they're ok too?

    Absolute hyperbole. I take thats your bizarre personel take on it and tbh its complete horsemanure. Pest control and hunting are legal and strictly controlled. Illegal betting on the outcome of animals "fighting" is not.


  • #107
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Again what’s with the for fun assertion? If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, people ye don’t know btw, then no debate is possible.


    Another poster stated that the majority of foxes are shot or killed by traffic and very few are hunted. If that's the case then what "civic duty" are these hunts-people carrying out?


    Of course they do it for sport. Who are you trying to kid?


  • #108
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    gozunda wrote: »
    There's hundreds of companies who legally remove and kill foxes all over the UK. You got a personal problem with all them as well.? And btw thats not an 'article' - thats the service they provide. And why foxes can be a problem. And yes its legal.

    And you think foxes with sarcoptic mange and toxoplasmosis in urban areas is funny? And reports of rogue foxes predating pets, attacking babies and oaps are 'Laughable".Really?

    And ditto the BBC, the Independent and wildlife photographers reporting on same Yes?

    You seem to have a bigger issue with people tbh. Notably calling others "vile cúnts " in this thread. And wishing people dead. Nice attitude mate.

    If so maybe just stick with the disney films like Bambi for now. But wait looks like foxes eat fawns as well...

    https://i.imgflip.com/4e45k2.jpg

    Oh deer ....


    So foxes came before pets?


  • #109
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    So foxes came before pets?

    Yes :D

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  • #110
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    gozunda wrote: »
    Absolute hyperbole. I take thats your bizarre personel take on it and tbh its complete horsemanure. Pest control and hunting are legal and strictly controlled. Illegal betting on the outcome of animals "fighting" is not.


    Just because it's "legal" doesn't make it any less barbaric. And I'm not talking about the betting angle. You accused another poster of deflecting and here you are trying to veer to the illegal gambling side of cock fights. Not only that but you're employing the time-honoured ploy of ranting out the "looney" brigade who are anti-everything just because they oppose something that you personally favour. And you have the audacity to talk about hyperbole?


  • #111
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    Is that with the agreement of the airport?

    It was then. All the UK airports welcomed Foxes. There were programs shown on UK TV showing foxes being released. Rabbits & rats were a big problem especially with landing light wiring etc.

    I was a volunteer with Tiggywinkles . They are the busiest wildlife hospital in the World, treat 12000 animals a year & are a world famous teaching hospital but hey what would they know. :rolleyes:

    I spent several years with the great Les Stocker who knew more about foxes that anyone here.


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  • #112
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    Discodog wrote: »
    It was then. All the UK airports welcomed Foxes. There were programs shown on UK TV showing foxes being released. Rabbits & rats were a big problem especially with landing light wiring etc.

    I was a volunteer with Tiggywinkles . They are the busiest wildlife hospital in the World, treat 12000 animals a year & are a world famous teaching hospital but hey what would they know. :rolleyes:

    I spent several years with the great Les Stocker who knew more about foxes that anyone here.

    He doesnt know more about foxes than me.


  • #113
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    So foxes came before pets?

    You need a picture for comprehension as well lol :D

    Lordy ...

    https://i.imgflip.com/4e47xd.jpg


  • #114
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Just because it's "legal" doesn't make it any less barbaric. And I'm not talking about the betting angle. You accused another poster of deflecting and here you are trying to veer to the illegal gambling side of cock fights. Not only that but you're employing the time-honoured ploy of ranting out the "looney" brigade who are anti-everything just because they oppose something that you personally favour. And you have the audacity to talk about hyperbole?

    Again Rubbish. As outlined thats not only a stupid argument- its also a meaningless for the reason that just because somethings legal does not make it 'barbaric" or anything else. You may think it - but thats another discussion.

    And no deflection whatsoever - bear baiting and dog fighting are undertaken to provide an outlet for illegal betting and are illegal as animals are captured and killed for that purpose alone.

    Pest control shooting or otherwise is there to help manage over population and predation. Do you need me to draw you another picture to explain further?

    It remains your personal rant was indeed. hyperbole.

    Sorry if that doesn't suit.


  • #115
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,671 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I've no issue with the fox population being kept under control but being chased and ripped up by dogs isn't the way to do it.


  • #116
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    He doesnt know more about foxes than me.

    Actually he does but even his vast knowledge of foxes is second only to mine. For I am the worlds leading expert on foxes.

    You people wish you knew as much about foxes as I do.


  • #117
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Actually he does but even his vast knowledge of foxes is second only to mine. For I am the worlds leading expert on foxes.

    You people wish you knew as much about foxes as I do.

    I am a fox psychiatrist. A lot of them suffer with their nerves.


  • #118
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    I am a fox psychiatrist. A lot of them suffer with their nerves.

    A noble profession. You can't blame them for having issues with all these Billy Big Bollixs going around hunting them.

    Without foxes we wouldn't have the fine town of Foxford, Co. Mayo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxford#Notable_people


  • #119
    southstar
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    A noble profession. You can't blame them for having issues with all these Billy Big Bollixs going around hunting them.

    Without foxes we wouldn't have the fine town of Foxford, Co. Mayo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxford#Notable_people



    Or that fine pub up in the Dublin mountains


  • #120
    dotsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    gozunda wrote: »
    I'll leave you with your disney version of reality.

    What's with all the bambi/disney references? Are you rally that stuck for an argument that you have to imply anybody who disagrees with you must be getting their information from a cartoon?

    The irony being that most people who ddislike foxes get it from their childhood cartoons were the fox is often portrayed as the villain (including by disney).

    gozunda wrote: »
    And no that doesn't mean its wrong. It's a service necessary to control rogue / sick / diseased foxes. And I've no problem with that being legal. Neither do many others.

    If a fox is sick/diseased, and there is no viable alternative, then I have no problem with it being euthanized. However, that service you linked to is for killing healthy foxes.

    Also, chasing them through fields and violently shredding them to pieces is not humanely euthanizing them, so stop pretending.

    gozunda wrote: »
    Jeez chxrst. Are you simply going to dismiss everyone of those reports because you believe foxes are cute or something?
    I find them laughable because you think that somewhere in them there is justification for fox hunting. Which there isn't.
    gozunda wrote: »
    We were talking about a professional licensed pest control service. And no Its not a fracking competition. Dogs who bite etc are generally hauled off to the vet to be pts. Not much different tbh.

    When a dog bites a human, you don't go around hunting and slaughtering every dog you can find.
    gozunda wrote: »
    Calling anyone a 'scumbag' because you don't agree with them is puerile.

    I, along with most people, call them scumbags, because that is exactly what they are. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with them. I disagree with lots of people on the "overrated movies" thread. I don't think any of them are scum, just that they have different tastes to me, that is all. But if they were to suddenly start violently ripping helpless animals to pieces for fun, then I would consider them scumbags - do you get it yet?


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  • #121
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    dotsman wrote: »
    What's with all the bambi/disney references? Are you rally that stuck for an argument that you have to imply anybody who disagrees with you must be getting their information from a cartoon?
    The irony being that most people who ddislike foxes get it from their childhood cartoons were the fox is often portrayed as the villain (including by disney).If a fox is sick/diseased, and there is no viable alternative, then I have no problem with it being euthanized. However, that service you linked to is for killing healthy foxes.
    Also, chasing them through fields and violently shredding them to pieces is not humanely euthanizing them, so stop pretending.
    I find them laughable because you think that somewhere in them there is justification for fox hunting. Which there isn't.When a dog bites a human, you don't go around hunting and slaughtering every dog you can find.I, along with most people, call them scumbags, because that is exactly what they are. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with them. I disagree with lots of people on the "overrated movies" thread. I don't think any of them are scum, just that they have different tastes to me, that is all. But if they were to suddenly start violently ripping helpless animals to pieces for fun, then I would consider them scumbags - do you get it yet?

    Not going through every sentence tbh. I believe the discussion we were having was about pest control companies. And no those pest control dont go around killing every fox in existence or whstever you think happens. .

    Look I get it you think foxes are all cute. Grand - if that's what you want to believe based on those videos. I happen to disagree and that's based in real life interaction with wild animals including foxes.

    You seem to have some odd issues with those pest control companies simply because they offer an essential and legal service which help control problem foxes. You found reports of such problematic foxes "laughable" (your words)
    No idea why you are throwing fox hunting into this now. I didn't mention it. Buf yes foxes are legally shot etc for similar reasons wildlife and population control. Just as such foxes captured by pest companies are euthanized and not released.

    And I've seen a problem fox being shot. But I've also seen foxes escaping after being shot. Not something I would like to happen tbh. from what I've seen with hounds that does not happen. Any chase by hounds contrary to the usual rubbish is generally short and a fox (if caught) is killed in the exact same way foxes kill their prey. And again I know you personally are against any killing of foxes that. But that's how it is.

    The fact is way more foxes are killed every year by vehicles on roads than shooting or hunting and yet I don't see anyone calling for cars and trucks to be banned. Afaik very few foxes are ever killed. The reason being is that foxes are smart and escape quite easily. What hunting does do is disperse foxes and they are become a lot more warey of people. And from personal experience that is essential for conserving wildlife such as rare or endangered species of birds etc

    No one - is doing any of that for "fun". The fox population in Ireland is healthy and thriving. And that is down to active management. Dislike pest control companies or whatever you like. Just don’t pretend that calling people 'scumbags' or calling children "vile cnuts" is in anyway acceptable. And no most people do not use language like that especially about children. Do you understand that?


  • #122
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭Patser


    What does the fox say!?

















    Oh feck a ca.............!*!@*


  • #123
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭golfball37


    What a lot don’t realise about the hunt is the Fox gets away with their life quite a lot of the time. The hounds scare the bejaysus out of them however and they stay away from the areas they’re not wanted as a result.

    Some people would rather go around firing shotgun pellets at them though as it’s more humane apparently


  • #124
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Feisar


    golfball37 wrote: »
    What a lot don’t realise about the hunt is the Fox gets away with their life quite a lot of the time. The hounds scare the bejaysus out of them however and they stay away from the areas they’re not wanted as a result.

    Some people would rather go around firing shotgun pellets at them though as it’s more humane apparently

    I never got the shotgun thing, a rifle is a much better tool for the job.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #125
    Brand_New
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Brand_New


    Feisar wrote: »
    I never got the shotgun thing, a rifle is a much better tool for the job.

    Shotguns are usually used by farmers that have no interest in a rifle or no time to learn to use one effectively.


  • #126
    NuttyMcNutty
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭NuttyMcNutty


    The foxes are in urban areas because fckers keep dumping their rubbish on the side of the road, why the fcuk do you think we're plagued by poxy seagulls :mad:


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  • #127
    dulceetdecorum
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭dulceetdecorum


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    Four or five of them sitting on the pillars along the gardens of the street wineing like foook the other night. Whole street awake. This fox business is getting out of hand.

    They dont look like fluffy cartoon foxes, they are the size of skinny labradors and look like zombie dogs with their mange.

    Something needs to be done before somebody trips over one of them early one dark morning and gets savaged by them.

    They dont run away anymore.

    They were just catching up


  • #128
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    gozunda wrote: »
    You need a picture for comprehension as well lol :D

    Lordy ...

    https://i.imgflip.com/4e47xd.jpg


    Come on....I was being childish.



    Bad shout on my part.


  • #129
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    gozunda wrote: »
    Again Rubbish. As outlined thats not only a stupid argument- its also a meaningless for the reason that just because somethings legal does not make it 'barbaric" or anything else. You may think it - but thats another discussion.

    And no deflection whatsoever - bear baiting and dog fighting are undertaken to provide an outlet for illegal betting and are illegal as animals are captured and killed for that purpose alone.

    Pest control shooting or otherwise is there to help manage over population and predation. Do you need me to draw you another picture to explain further?

    It remains your personal rant was indeed. hyperbole.

    Sorry if that doesn't suit.


    Let me ask you a very simple question. If people illegally bet on the fox getting away then would that relegate your fox hunting to the level of pitbulls ripping each other to shreds?


    We are not talking about betting here, despite you trying to deflect.


    Hunting foxes is cruel and there is nothing you can say that will deny that.
    It is done for entertainment the same way that hare coursing or various other bloodsports are conducted. That chasing a fox and having it torn to pieces by "well heeled" and polished individuals as opposed to knackers who get the same kick from having 2 guys beat the tar out of each other...no betting done.


    So please step off the illegal betting nonsense.


  • #130
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Let me ask you a very simple question. If people illegally bet on the fox getting away then would that relegate your fox hunting to the level of pitbulls ripping each other to shreds? We are not talking about betting here, despite you trying to deflect.Hunting foxes is cruel and there is nothing you can say that will deny that.
    It is done for entertainment the same way that hare coursing or various other bloodsports are conducted. That chasing a fox and having it torn to pieces by "well heeled" and polished individuals as opposed to knackers who get the same kick from having 2 guys beat the tar out of each other...no betting done.
    So please step off the illegal betting nonsense.

    Nope. This the original posters reply on this - to you in this thread

    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    That might be true. I would say you prefer bickering about it online though, lets be honest here, you are more fond of getting nasty with your keyboard over some edgy topic like fox hunting?

    I like watership down , that does not give me the right to be hostile towards someone who enjoys rabbit stew.

    Get real.

    Doesn't look like much has changed tbh.

    No idea why you are now trying to personalise that directed outrage tbh. "We"? Is that in the 'royal' wee? But wot - 'Fighting Pitbulls' "Knackers ... beating 'the tar out of each other"? Even more whataboutery eh?

    As previously "bear baiting" "dog fighting" etc etc are an illegal outlet for betting where animals were captured and killed for that purpose alone.

    Neither legal pest control by companies or any type of legal hunting does that.

    I get it you disagree with any such control. But no there is no "entertainment". Them's your words only. But dont try and make an absolute out of your personal opinion. It doesn't work.

    In Ireland from what I've seen - shooting foxes etc is not undertaken by 'well heeled individuals' or toffs or whatever class based slur based bs your throwing around. A small number are shot or an even smaller number (if even caught) dispatched with hounds - and in he same way foxes kills their prey. Regardless pest control is legal and happens in both cities the countryside That said the numbers killed are tiny and help manage local populations, disease and predation. It remains the fox population in Ireland is thriving. If you dont understand that. Then I cant help you.

    So yes do please stop with the class based bickering nonsense being fed. It's bs.

    Edit. Fixed previous typos.


  • #131
    dotsman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not going through every sentence tbh. I believe the discussion we were having was about pest control companies. And no those pest control dont go around killing every fox in existence or whstever you think happens. .

    Look I get it you think foxes are all cute. Grand - if that's what you want to believe based on those videos. I happen to disagree and that's based in real life interaction with wild animals including foxes.

    You seem to have some odd issues with those pest control companies simply because they offer an essential and legal service which help control problem foxes. You found reports of such problematic foxes "laughable" (your words)
    No idea why you are throwing fox hunting into this now. I didn't mention it. Buf yes foxes are legally shot etc for similar reasons wildlife and population control. Just as such foxes captured by pest companies are euthanized and not released.

    And I've seen a problem fox being shot. But I've also seen foxes escaping after being shot. Not something I would like to happen tbh. from what I've seen with hounds that does not happen. Any chase by hounds contrary to the usual rubbish is generally short and a fox (if caught) is killed in the exact same way foxes kill their prey. And again I know you personally are against any killing of foxes that. But that's how it is.

    The fact is way more foxes are killed every year by vehicles on roads than shooting or hunting and yet I don't see anyone calling for cars and trucks to be banned. Afaik very few foxes are ever killed. The reason being is that foxes are smart and escape quite easily. What hunting does do is disperse foxes and they are become a lot more warey of people. And from personal experience that is essential for conserving wildlife such as rare or endangered species of birds etc

    No one - is doing any of that for "fun". The fox population in Ireland is healthy and thriving. And that is down to active management. Dislike pest control companies or whatever you like. Just don’t pretend that calling people 'scumbags' or calling children "vile cnuts" is in anyway acceptable. And no most people do not use language like that especially about children. Do you understand that?

    You seem to be getting very confused. You might want to re-read this thread.


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  • #132
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I respect hunters who admit that they kill for fun. At least they are being honest.


  • #133
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Discodog wrote: »
    I respect hunters who admit that they kill for fun. At least they are being honest.

    Lol well that's complete and utter twaddle for a start and finish disco.

    To paraphrase aother poster here If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, ... then no discussion is possible. Then what's new eh? ;)


  • #134
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol well that's complete and utter twaddle for a start and finish disco.

    To paraphrase aother poster here If ye have predisposed biases about people’s motivations, ... then no discussion is possible. Then what's new eh? ;)

    I like many have no predisposed biases. They are all based on fact. For example people raise birds specifically to shoot them. Are you saying that this is for food ? Hunters often modify habitat to encourage the species they want to kill.


  • #135
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Discodog wrote: »
    I like many have no predisposed biases. ....

    Haha - Nope doesn't wash. You've already been called out by another poster for just that. No one is falling for that type of
    malarkey disco. Read the thread if you are in any doubt ...

    I see you also said that you weren't trying to turn the thread into a 'hunting' debate. Looks like that's also bollics...

    Anyway back to the OPs post- Always wondered if there are drivers who deliberately run over animals. Maybe you're thinking of those people?


  • #136
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    gozunda wrote: »
    Again Rubbish. As outlined thats not only a stupid argument- its also a meaningless for the reason that just because somethings legal does not make it 'barbaric" or anything else. You may think it - but thats another discussion.

    And no deflection whatsoever - bear baiting and dog fighting are undertaken to provide an outlet for illegal betting and are illegal as animals are captured and killed for that purpose alone.

    Pest control shooting or otherwise is there to help manage over population and predation. Do you need me to draw you another picture to explain further?

    It remains your personal rant was indeed. hyperbole.

    Sorry if that doesn't suit.


    I'm sorry that you can't see it for what it is, i.e. animal cruelty.


    If you continue to deflect to the reason behind these activities rather than seeing that I am calling them all animal then you are just being either stubborn or purposefully obtuse.


    I don't care if you call a hunt a civic duty to control predator number. It's still animal cruelty.


    I don't care that you call cock-fights an outlet for gambling. It's still animal cruelty.


    Hanging a calf upside down and slitting his throat until he bleeds to death so you can have a plate of veal parmagiana is still animal cruelty.


    Throwing a cat into a bonfire at Halloween because you're a sick sadistic scrote and did it for some perverse laugh is still animal cruelty.


    Can you see a common thread here or is it beyond you?


    I'm talkingabout animal cruelty here. I don't give a sh1t what the endgame is. You claim that huntspeople do it to control the numbers. They do it for sport. Suiting up, maintaining a stable full of horses and a team of hounds seems like an awful lot of expense to kill a fox maybe once or twice a month when you could just pay a company a few quid if pest control was really the objective. So don't insult peoples' intelligence here with that lame excuse.


  • #137
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    And there's the cruelty inflicted on the Hounds which rarely gets mentioned

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-healthy-foxhounds---including-6061265


  • #138
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    I'm sorry that you can't see it for what it is, i.e. animal cruelty.If you continue to deflect to the reason behind these activities rather than seeing that I am calling them all animal then ...

    ?????

    Hadn't you already replied to my previous comment? I was commenting on pest control. That comment comes across as a bizarre rant tbh.

    Do you do those things Shatter? Or is that some type of projection? I didn't refer to any of that afaik. :confused:

    What I get from that is you're saying pest control companies who provide a legal service to people to remove pests is in your opinion 'animal cruelty'

    So I take it you like rats in your house yes?

    Grand so. ...


  • #139
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    gozunda and ShatterAlan if you can't engage in a civil manner don't post in this thread.


  • #140
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Discodog wrote: »
    And there's the cruelty inflicted on the Hounds which rarely gets mentioned

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-healthy-foxhounds---including-6061265

    That's an article about the UK disco. You in the UK? Thought you didn't want to turn this into (yet another) one of your hunting debates no?


  • #141
    Godeatsboogers
    Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭Godeatsboogers


    Foxes dont need to be hunted because articulated lorries, vans and cars are doing a way better job of keeping the fox population down. Terrorizing an animal during its last moments with a load of horses and dogs, JFC, get a hobbie that doesn't involve the massacre of a wild hungry animal that might have Cubs. If you're a farmer who's cant outsmart a fox thats killing your animals maybe explore other careers, like mystery shopping.


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  • #142
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    gozunda wrote: »
    That's an article about the UK disco. You in the UK? Thought you didn't want to turn this into (yet another) one of your hunting debates no?

    Do you genuinely think a border changes the treatment an animal gets? We are so well known for our mistreatment of animals in Ireland, its hardly a leap.


  • #143
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Do you genuinely think a border changes the treatment an animal gets? We are so well known for our mistreatment of animals in Ireland, its hardly a leap.

    Deebles appreciate your reply. As detailed my previous comments were about pest control. Hence my reply.

    Personally I think Ireland in general has a relatively good record on how animals are treated. And those who break the law being prosecuted. Which is a good thing. Could there be improvements? Yes certainly.

    Edit.
    Godeatsboogers wrote: »
    Foxes dont need to be hunted because articulated lorries, vans and cars are doing a way better job of keeping the fox population down. ...

    Well tbh I'd prefer to see a lot less wildlife killed in the roads . As per the OPs post roadkill is indiscrimimate when it comes to wildlife. Lots of rare birds are heavily impacted. Can also cause accidents. Ploughing into something like a deer or a fullgrown fox at full speed is generally not a good idea imo


  • #144
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    gozunda wrote: »
    Deebles appreciate your reply. As detailed my previous comments were about pest control. Hence my reply.

    Personally I think Ireland in general has a relatively good record on how animals are treated. And those who break the law being prosecuted. Which is a good thing. Could there be improvements? Yes certainly.

    We certainly agree about improvements being needed, G. Unfortunately not all of those who break the law are prosecuted and the laws can be found somewhat lacking at times.

    Foxes can be an annoyance and are not protected but they are not classified as a pest. So, I'm not sure why you keep lumping them into that category, whilst simultaneously trying to keep the thread on topic.


  • #145
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The UK have ten times the number of Inspectors per population than we do. So we could do a lot better.


  • #146
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    ...Foxes can be an annoyance and are not protected but they are not classified as a pest. So, I'm not sure why you keep lumping them into that category, whilst simultaneously trying to keep the thread on topic.

    No not my reference. Already detailed in previous comment detailing. "Fox pest control" companies in urban areas etc. Foxes identified as pests / public nuisance effecting householders or identified as carriers of diseases such as sarcoptic mange etc. In general - term used to describe problem foxes.


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