Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

I suspected the sports scientists and doctori etc wouldn't put up with this at elite level

https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/world-cup-ramadan-how-salah-pogba--more-are-preparing-for-russia-2018/1n12b9uxyxu9516ti8dmmjz1c6

"It's obvious that Salah's religion plays a big part in his philosophy as a footballer. The 25-year-old did not participate in fasting during the three days leading up to and including the Champions League final, though fasted at the team's training base in Marbella.

In Islam, you are allowed to break your fast “with anything that is adequate need” or if you are travelling during the day, which Salah had done."

From memory Michael Jones a New Zealand rugby player missed games on Sundays due to his religion.

Amir Khan missed out on a big world title fight as it was set for Ramadan.

The squirming!

I assume you mean this is your evidence of JKR's transphobia?

When she said "violent, duplicitous rapists" she was specifically referring to Andrew Burns aka Tiffany Scott and Adam Graham aka Isla Bryson who without doubt are extremely violent, duplicitous rapists. Are you saying that she said transwomen in general are violent, duplicitous rapists? Do you believe that these 2 self identified transwomen are not extremely violent, duplicitous rapists and that they should be in a female prison with women, many of whom have been raped themselves?

Interesting that you say that she "fraternises" with women who campaign against same SEX rights when in reality she is very vocal in her support of gay people, particularly lesbians. Does it look like she is campaigning against same sex rights with this group of lesbians?

So the implication here is that I either know everything I need to know about JK Rowling, or I;ve been living under a rock and have no idea who she is..?

She has said that she does not accept transwomen as real women, has she not? Because transwomen haven't had the same fears as ciswomen? She has called them 'rapists', has se not? Stop me where I make a mistake.

You don't need to have an in-depth Twitter knowledge to know this - you just have read the news.

Or are you saying it's all a conspiracy and she never commented on trans issues at all?

She has called convicted rapists, rapists. She highlighted her disgust that two violent male rapists who self identify as female were to be housed in female prisons. What do you find offensive in this?

She often comments on issues that are highly relevant to women and girls and the consequences of letting any male who choses to self ID as a woman. To pretend there are no consequences is silly, the problem is though that no debate is allowed as it is automatically shut down with cries of transphobia. Women have lost their careers by trying to speak openly about such issues.

Transwomen are biologically male, they could not be transwomen in the first place without being so. That does not mean they should be treated badly or not have the same rights as every other citizen in the land.

Maybe you should try reading her own words rather than you "just have to read the news". It very much depends on where you get your news.

283k people agree with her.

She doesn’t have a phobia at all, in my view. She is simply saying that women have rights, including the rights to safe places such as refuges from domestic violence, etc. Read her blog where she sets out her views. Listen to the podcast.

A key point in this is trans people have a pretty difficult time from an early age and have an extreme issue with their identity that most people don't have. Typically someone with gender dysphoria will also have other comorbidities (depression, self harm. autism etc etc) and as such are a pretty sensitive group.

Their insecurity around their identity is the primary source of the unwillingness to engage in rational, nuanced and calm debate. Their need for outside validation is driven by angst and self doubt.

Rowling is arguing for the safety of women in the most vulnerable of place; domestic violence shelters, prisons etc. To state you need safeguarding isn't transphobic, part of any safeguarding starts with hard questions and it must be its focus on finding bad actors.

To suggest that no predator anywhere wouldn't take advantage of these changes in society is idiotic; therefore to not guard against it is a dereliction of duty towards vulnerable women.

As part of coaching young children I need to be Garda vetted i.e. we must check that you are not a paedophile. That's how safeguarding works, you don't get to be super sensitive and say how dare you ask me to be vetted. The children come before my sensitivities. Most well adjusted people don't have an issue with that.

The genesis of modern gender ideology is in post modernism and as such is anti science and indeed rational reasoned thought/debate. This has been reflected in the medical care at the Tavistock and indeed the way in which it is discussed in society.

A return to science based care, as suggested by the former clinical head, might be a good place to start for a very vulnerable group that need care.

Without that there is no basis for proper treatment or the continued evaluation of current treatments like every other field of medicine.

I'd still argue it's transphobic - it's a fear. Not to mention the idea that a transoman can't experience violence from men...? Pwhy not? Plenty of men in the LGBTQ community - as well as trnaswomen - have experienced violence at the hends of men.

And it doesn't explain the support of other tweets (at least one of which she apologised for, to be fair - but there's still a pattern).

As part of coaching young children I need to be Garda vetted i.e. we must check that you are not a paedophile. That's how safeguarding works, you don't get to be super sensitive and say how dare you ask me to be vetted. The children come before my sensitivities. Most well adjusted people don't have an issue with that.

Erm, Garda vetting has feckall to do with checking whether or not anyone’s a paedophile 😁 It has nothing to do with protecting children either, and everything to do with protecting the organisation. It doesn’t prevent an allegation being made either -

https://www.thejournal.ie/court-childcare-worker-sexual-assault-creche-5056878-Mar2020/

As for the rest of it, well I can’t figure out for the life of me either why anyone wouldn’t want to engage in any rational, nuanced or calm debate about safeguarding with you when your starting point is that they’re a pretty sensitive group characterised by depression, autism, self-harm, etc etc, and according to you their need for outside validation is driven by angst and self-doubt… because that’s totally rational, like what’s their problem really?

Yes, a return to science-based care is what’s needed, like lobotomies, blood-letting and in extreme cases - call in the God squad for an exorcism when the patients condition is beyond all medical and scientific knowledge, and if that fails… well, antipsychotics are a wonderful drug 😁

Clopenthixol is a mixture of cis and trans isomers. Zuclopenthixol, the pure cis isomer, was later introduced by Lundbeck in 1962, and has been much more widely used. Both drugs are equally effective as antipsychotics and have similar adverse effect profiles, but clopenthixol is half as active on a milligram-to-milligram basis and appears to produce more sedation in comparison.

Clopenthixol is not approved for use in the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clopenthixol

You're right when using your unique definition of transphobia but just about everyone else is using the more standard definition which includes an element of hate or discrimination.

When it's preceeded by homo or trans the hate or discrimination aspect is heavily implied, especially when used by outlets reporting on the subject, and I think that's the issue at hand for the other posters.

Check the post you initially replied to.

I know what you're saying, I just disagree with it.

But the quote is the opposite of what you said she said.

Not to mention the idea that a transoman can't experience violence from men...? 

 "The idea that women like me, who’ve been empathetic to trans people for decades, feeling kinship because they’re vulnerable in the same way as women - ie, to male violence

On the debate as to whether JK Rowling is transphobic - I dont believe she it, based on her original statements it was a expression of difference in experience making a clear distinction between what is a biological female and a transwoman. That is undeniable.

What seems to have happened her though is the pile on to her genuine expression of views has resulted in a kind of "enemy of my enemy" situation. It is a base human instinct to gravitate more towards those who defend you and away from those who attack you. Rowling has submitted to this instinct in some ways. She could continue to express her legitimate views without unwittingly amplifying those more extreme transphobic views of some of those who have rowed in on her side. They have cleverly hijacked her side of the message. Someone reads her views. See she has also engaged with someone who has expressed the same view. Seeks out that individual and subsequently are drawn into the orbit of more extreme views.

Don't take my word for it on the comorbidities, two studies i found in about 2 minutes on Google scholar.

I won’t, nor would I take the word of any of the former Governors of the Tavistock under whose oversight they shìt the bed, jumped out and left everyone else to clean up their mess. If you imagine their protestations were motivated by giving a shiny shyte about medicine, science, data or evidence, or even the patients under their care, and not simply by political shenanigans to disguise their own incompetence, then I’ve got some magic beans you might be interested in.

You started off about safeguarding, then veered off into lamenting the lack of medical and scientific rigour, then expect that I’m not already familiar with Marcus Evans or David Bell, as if anyone should take anything they have to say about anything seriously. I don’t think so, neither did the Tavistock’s medical director -

According to the trust, a review of Bell’s claims by its medical director, Dr Dinesh Sinha, “did not identify any immediate issues in relation to patient safety or failings in the overall approach taken by the service in responding to the needs of young people and families who access its support. As in any review of this nature, it did identify areas for improvement and made several recommendations. The trust’s chief executive is tasked with developing an action plan for how these will be implemented.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/23/child-transgender-service-governor-quits-chaos

It should have been obvious the point I was making about your chiming in with the former clinical head of the Tavistock about a return to ‘science based care’ - it’s precisely because of your ideas about ‘science based care’ which were shown to be pseudoscientific garbage, is the reason neither scientists nor clinicians put any stock in the those ideas any longer, and why science and medicine have moved on from them, albeit too late for some of the people who were the victims of their fcukwittery as they sought to make a name for themselves. Clinicians like John Money -

During his professional life, Money was respected as an expert on sexual behavior, especially known for his views that gender was learned rather than innate. However, it was later revealed that his most famous case of David Reimer, born Bruce Reimer, was fundamentally flawed. In 1966, a botched circumcision left eight-month-old Reimer without a penis. Money persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest. At the age of 22 months, Reimer underwent an orchiectomy, in which his testicles were surgically removed. He was reassigned to be raised as female and his name changed from Bruce to Brenda. Money further recommended hormone treatment, to which the parents agreed. Money then recommended a surgical procedure to create an artificial vagina, which the parents refused. Money published a number of papers reporting the reassignment as successful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

You’ll find plenty of his works on Google Scholar too, only of any use as toilet paper, if you’re in a pinch.