Dog attacks on sheep !!

AP2014 · 21-02-2015 10:55am

mike_ie wrote: »

"About to worry" is what's written in the act - and in the real world if you see a dog on your land and you're concerned that they are chasing down animals, there isn't a person out there who's going to question you for putting a bullet in it, and I've done the same myself over the years.

It's when people start mentioning baiting in order to entice animals onto land for the purposes of shooting them (for example), that's what can get us into trouble here.

Jesus have you shot many? Ever concerned he might just be wandering and causing no harm. Just wondering would lads ever feel guilty they shot an innocent one and some young lads pet down the road is dead because of it. Aware of the point they shouldn't be straying though.

Genghis Cant · 21-02-2015 11:20am

ganmo wrote: »

and nobody can argue with you about that, but you need to be aware of the law to have the answers for those questions

That's exactly why I posted it. Every man or woman that keeps livestock, particularly sheep, should be able to quote that piece of legislation.
Let us be under no illusions where we stand. If a dog is unattended in a field of sheep he is 'about to worry ' in my my view.

greysides · 21-02-2015 11:28am

I think the appropriate section of the Act needs careful reading. Here's one definition that should be understood:

(11) In this Act “stray dog” includes any dog which appears to be unaccompanied by a person unless such dog is on the premises of its owner or of some other person who has the dog in his charge or of any other person with that person's consent.

A dog worrying or 'about to worry' seems clear cut enough but the next part contains certain conditions that must be met. The overall emphasis of the Act seems to be that you CAN'T just shoot some else's property willy-nilly..... but, there are these couple of 'outs' where conditions must be filled. We are discussing the 'outs'.

The dog must be a stray, and in the vicinity of an attack with the shooter having reason to believe it was involved and with no way to catch it or to known to whom it belongs. The shooter must be the person in charge of the livestock and must report the shooting to the guards within 48 hours.

So be careful.

ganmo · 21-02-2015 11:29am

AP2014 wrote: »

Jesus have you shot many? Ever concerned he might just be wandering and causing no harm. Just wondering would lads ever feel guilty they shot an innocent one and some young lads pet down the road is dead because of it. Aware of the point they shouldn't be straying though.

its not something we want to do, but warnings regularly go unheeded.
we don't seek the owners of the ones we shoot. esp the ones that plaster the place with poor lost pooch leaflets.

Tokyo · 21-02-2015 11:32am

AP2014 wrote: »

Jesus have you shot many? Ever concerned he might just be wandering and causing no harm. Just wondering would lads ever feel guilty they shot an innocent one and some young lads pet down the road is dead because of it. Aware of the point they shouldn't be straying though.

Not many - a few over the years, one of them my own after catching him worrying neighbours sheep, many years back. Was I worried that they were causing no harm? No - they'd been caught in the act quite a few times by ourselves, or other neighbours, and this was after repeated words with the owners. It's not like I blew away little Tommy's pet poodle in front of him because his dog went in under the gate. And putting an animal down, for whatever reason, is certainly not something that I take any enjoyment from.

rangler1 · 21-02-2015 1:43pm

mike_ie wrote: »

Not many - a few over the years, one of them my own after catching him worrying neighbours sheep, many years back. Was I worried that they were causing no harm? No - they'd been caught in the act quite a few times by ourselves, or other neighbours, and this was after repeated words with the owners. It's not like I blew away little Tommy's pet poodle in front of him because his dog went in under the gate. And putting an animal down, for whatever reason, is certainly not something that I take any enjoyment from.

A friend shot two in a sheep shed one time,, like those Dulux dogs, are they called English sheepdogs, supposed to be worth thousands..an expensive lesson for someone, they had serious damage done to the sheep though

Tokyo · 21-02-2015 1:51pm

rangler1 wrote: »

A friend shot two in a sheep shed one time,, like those Dulux dogs, are they called English sheepdogs, supposed to be worth thousands..an expensive lesson for someone, they had serious damage done to the sheep though

Yep - always sad when it has to be done, and I've cornered dogs in the past and locked them in one of the sheds, called the owners to pick them up, only to see them back again the following week.

But at the end of the day, if something is worth that much to you, then you keep an eye on where it is at all times. I don't leave my car at the side of the road with the keys in the ignition and then wonder why someone has nicked it - don't see this as being any different.

whitetail · 21-02-2015 2:04pm

mike_ie wrote: »

Yep - always sad when it has to be done, and I've cornered dogs in the past and locked them in one of the sheds, called the owners to pick them up, only to see them back again the following week.

But at the end of the day, if something is worth that much to you, then you keep an eye on where it is at all times. I don't leave my car at the side of the road with the keys in the ignition and then wonder why someone has nicked it - don't see this as being any different.

Had the same problems here caught dogs and notified owners only to find dogs in again now just shoot first no problems since.

ganmo · 19-06-2015 7:17pm

Had to dig out the dog wardens no. again this mornin, this time for a neighbour

Username John · 19-06-2015 8:02pm

ganmo wrote: »

Had to dig out the dog wardens no. again this mornin, this time for a neighbour

Sickening - how much damage done?

ganmo · 19-06-2015 9:22pm

Username John wrote: »

Sickening - how much damage done?

1 dead, many injured in a small flock

whelan2 · 19-06-2015 9:33pm

does the dogwarden still take the weekend off?

ganmo · 19-06-2015 10:25pm

whelan2 wrote: »

does the dogwarden still take the weekend off?

yup same as every council worker, think the guards can get some emergency service.
but the warden got them this mornin

Kovu · 22-06-2015 2:58pm

I know this is in the Uk but jaaaaysus, those poor lambs and what a **** of a dog owner, leashed the dog afterwards and walked away.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=556684601162390&id=100004625659016

_Brian · 22-06-2015 3:20pm

I think there needs to be much more made of these instances..

I know near corsskeys, Cavan last year a lad was having awful trouble. So after shooting three dogs he contacted the local rag who ran the photo of the dead dogs along with that of dead and injured sheep.. He said there was an immeditate responce and last I heard no problems at all with dogs..

So, I think dog owners really believe that their poor Fido isn't up to anything so its OK for him to be out freely day or night, but advertising and showing the dead dogs really puts the fear into them that the crazy gun toting farmer will get Fido..

Less lee way or second chances, a dog on farmland without a leash is a dog about to worry stock and so should be shot. A zero tolerance policy is best for everybody.

Capercaillie · 22-06-2015 4:01pm

_Brian wrote: »

I think there needs to be much more made of these instances..

I know near corsskeys, Cavan last year a lad was having awful trouble. So after shooting three dogs he contacted the local rag who ran the photo of the dead dogs along with that of dead and injured sheep.. He said there was an immeditate responce and last I heard no problems at all with dogs..

So, I think dog owners really believe that their poor Fido isn't up to anything so its OK for him to be out freely day or night, but advertising and showing the dead dogs really puts the fear into them that the crazy gun toting farmer will get Fido..

Less lee way or second chances, a dog on farmland without a leash is a dog about to worry stock and so should be shot. A zero tolerance policy is best for everybody.

If the dog is a stray then your probably correct, if you know who owns the dog (neighbor) then it's probably a bad idea.

Username John · 22-06-2015 4:19pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

If the dog is a stray then your probably correct, if you know who owns the dog (neighbor) then it's probably a bad idea.

I dunno - I think it might be an even better policy in that situation.

_Brian · 22-06-2015 4:37pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

If the dog is a stray then your probably correct, if you know who owns the dog (neighbor) then it's probably a bad idea.

Username John wrote: »

I dunno - I think it might be an even better policy in that situation.

Indeed..
I think farmers and indeed their dead sheep across the country would typically show that a softly-softly "give a second chance" approach is rarely effective.

Think about it, if you let your dog free in a butcher shop and he destroyed a few thousand euro of stock, do you think you'd get a "second chance" in paying for it ?? Add to that the trauma inflicted on live animals I think its a no-brainer.

arctictree · 22-06-2015 4:54pm

There is a type of person in this country who just doesn't give a **** about their dogs. They think because its a small terrier that it doesn't matter. These dogs have never ever been on a leash or brought for a walk.

Capercaillie · 22-06-2015 6:32pm

_Brian wrote: »

Indeed..
I think farmers and indeed their dead sheep across the country would typically show that a softly-softly "give a second chance" approach is rarely effective.

Think about it, if you let your dog free in a butcher shop and he destroyed a few thousand euro of stock, do you think you'd get a "second chance" in paying for it ?? Add to that the trauma inflicted on live animals I think its a no-brainer.

I have a small terrier. I live beside a sheep farmer. I said to him when I got the dog, if you ever see the dog in your fields, don't shoot him. Dog well looked after and never strays, maybe 1/2 in a year. It would be bad form to shoot the dog. Farmer is a sound man and would not shoot the dog if it strayed. Lads shooting neighbors dogs/pets can lead to years of bad blood. Dogs killing sheep can lead to bad blood as well.

Kovu · 22-06-2015 6:42pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

I have a small terrier. I live beside a sheep farmer. I said to him when I got the dog, if you ever see the dog in your fields, don't shoot him. Dog well looked after and never strays, maybe 1/2 in a year. It would be bad form to shoot the dog. Farmer is a sound man and would not shoot the dog if it strayed. Lads shooting neighbors dogs/pets can lead to years of bad blood. Dogs killing sheep can lead to bad blood as well.

I think that's an entirely different situation though Capercaillie. You had the decency to approach the farmer and showed him some respect by admitting your dog may be the one at fault sometime in the future by straying.

We shot a neighbours dog in the past but the owner was given two warnings to stop him straying and chasing our cattle. Final warning was that he would be shot if seen on the land again. And hey ho, he was shot. Now we have a new guy staying in the same house and again his dog is allowed to wander, he has been given the same warning, considering I've seen the same dog chasing and nipping at his horses, I am not going to hold much hope for his long term prospects.

Username John · 22-06-2015 7:42pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

I have a small terrier. I live beside a sheep farmer. I said to him when I got the dog, if you ever see the dog in your fields, don't shoot him. .

Gave a neighbour a chance one time - meant 3 more dead sheep when they came back.

Base price · 22-06-2015 7:57pm

I had an incident with a dog on a Tuesday evening in July 2012. Two women were walking on the road past the house (NCD) with a mongrel type terrier. The dog came through the field hedge and attacked the hens in the garden, killing one.
My own dogs heard the commotion before I realised what was going on and I let them out. The terrier ran back through the hedge to the women.
I challenged the women on the road (the dog was on its lead at that stage) and told them what had happened. I asked which of them owned the dog and they refused to answer me or give me their names and address :mad:
I invited them to look at the dead hen and the mayhem that their dog had caused - they refused. I asked them to compensate me for the dead hen and also any other ones that had scattered all around the hedges that I may have trouble finding before night fell. I said to them that I heard them calling their dog - Bitsy or something like that and told them that if he/she ever stood foot on my land again then I would shoot it on sight.
About an hour and a half later I got a visit from the local Garda, all high and mighty in their attitude saying that I had threatened members of the public - WTF.
I told them what happened, showed them the dead hen and also reiterated that I would shoot the dog if it stuck its nose onto my land again. I did ask the Garda for the name and address of the owner of the dog but never got that info.

ganmo · 22-06-2015 8:02pm

_Brian wrote: »

I think there needs to be much more made of these instances..

I know near corsskeys, Cavan last year a lad was having awful trouble. So after shooting three dogs he contacted the local rag who ran the photo of the dead dogs along with that of dead and injured sheep.. He said there was an immeditate responce and last I heard no problems at all with dogs..

So, I think dog owners really believe that their poor Fido isn't up to anything so its OK for him to be out freely day or night, but advertising and showing the dead dogs really puts the fear into them that the crazy gun toting farmer will get Fido..

Less lee way or second chances, a dog on farmland without a leash is a dog about to worry stock and so should be shot. A zero tolerance policy is best for everybody.

Ya seeing them in the IFJ/farming independent is no good has to be shoved in their faces

davidk1394 · 23-06-2015 8:37am

Our policy here is if we see a dog wondering the road or even look sideways in our fields his gone by the next evening. Don't say anything about who owns the dog or what happened him. We reckon we shot 5 dogs that belonged to a person who used live next door to us

ganmo · 23-06-2015 9:34am

The next time a dog gets shot here I'm want to report it to the guards by saying 'I'd like to report a shooting.' And see what happens.

Milked out · 23-06-2015 10:45am

Have had trouble with dogs chasing cattle here in the last few years as well, on both occasions owners were warned to keep em in or under control numerous times. One crowd dogs were killed having cornered cows and chased ours and other farmers cattle and the other owners didn't act till I contacted there landlord who duly threatened them with eviction, dogs are still there but are now only barking over the ditch.
Common issue with both owners was they moved out from town with big dogs expecting all the" open space" would do instead of walking them, ffs they couldn't even recall the dogs.

AnFeirmeoir · 23-06-2015 11:46am

davidk1394 wrote: »

Our policy here is if we see a dog wondering the road or even look sideways in our fields his gone by the next evening. Don't say anything about who owns the dog or what happened him. We reckon we shot 5 dogs that belonged to a person who used live next door to us

Bit harsh i would say.

Would agree that any dog that causes an issue has to go. A neighbour should get at least one warning unless he obviously is making no effort.

Username John · 23-06-2015 11:56am

AnFeirmeoir wrote: »

Bit harsh i would say.

Would agree that any dog that causes an issue has to go. A neighbour should get at least one warning unless he obviously is making no effort.

Easy to say, but doesn't work in reality...

arctictree · 23-06-2015 12:22pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

I have a small terrier. I live beside a sheep farmer. I said to him when I got the dog, if you ever see the dog in your fields, don't shoot him. Dog well looked after and never strays, maybe 1/2 in a year. It would be bad form to shoot the dog. Farmer is a sound man and would not shoot the dog if it strayed. Lads shooting neighbors dogs/pets can lead to years of bad blood. Dogs killing sheep can lead to bad blood as well.

As long as your fencing is secure then there should be no problem. I would be worried about the dog getting out a couple of times a year.

IH784man · 23-06-2015 1:19pm

davidk1394 wrote: »

Our policy here is if we see a dog wondering the road or even look sideways in our fields his gone by the next evening. Don't say anything about who owns the dog or what happened him. We reckon we shot 5 dogs that belonged to a person who used live next door to us

That's sounds a bit harsh to me,do dogs not have to be caught in the act of worrying livestock before they are shot?

ALANC81 · 23-06-2015 9:43pm

I have 9 dogs here and if any of them worried sheep or cattle I'd shoot them myself. A mans lively hood comes before pets all the time. If dogs were chasing our cattle there would be no warnings if I had the gun with me. It's up to the dog owner to control there dog and if they can't do that it's there fault if it ends up with a bullet in it.

ganmo · 29-06-2015 2:41pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/warning-graphic-pics-eight-pedigree-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-in-cork/
plenty of nasty pics

Base price · 29-06-2015 7:52pm

ganmo wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/warning-graphic-pics-eight-pedigree-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-in-cork/
plenty of nasty pics

Horrific experience for any farmer and unless you have gone through it most people don't comprehend or understand.
We no longer keep sheep. 30 years ago we quit as we had a dog attack in the yard and lost 7 heavy in lamb ewes - 3 were dead and the other 4 died from injuries. We had awful problems with lambing, twisted beds, lambs presenting backways, upside down and dead lambs. The after effects from a dog attack are as bad than the actual attack
I have Zero tolerance with dogs that are not accompanied (in sight) by their owner with the exception of a neighbours golden Labrador who doesn't bother the cattle.

IH784man · 29-06-2015 10:17pm

ganmo wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/warning-graphic-pics-eight-pedigree-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-in-cork/
plenty of nasty pics

Would they not put that ewe in the last pic down or is it just worse than it looks?

ganmo · 29-06-2015 10:38pm

IH784man wrote: »

Would they not put that ewe in the last pic down or is it just worse than it looks?

The one with the chunk out of her jaw? hard to say, it would depend on how deep it is

ganmo · 30-06-2015 8:15pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/vicious-dog-attack-on-calf-in-tipperary/

not a sheep this time

ALANC81 · 30-06-2015 9:25pm

A few good examples of why to shoot first and warn later.

Kovu · 10-08-2016 1:41pm

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/forty-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-in-co-kerry-219638

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2016 3:53pm

Bit more graphic here...

https://twitter.com/AgritimeRK/status/763293991412588544

Kovu · 10-08-2016 3:57pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Bit more graphic here...

https://twitter.com/AgritimeRK/status/763293991412588544

Edited your post to remove your twitter/real name out....ya twit

_Brian · 10-08-2016 4:00pm

Kovu wrote: »

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/forty-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-in-co-kerry-219638

Jeez.. Imagine heading out to check stock and finding that

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2016 4:09pm

Kovu wrote: »

Edited your post to remove your twitter/real name out....ya twit

I'm blaming the phone:o

Just as it was the phones fault a bale of straw fell and broke two stakes.

Fekkin phone:pac:

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2016 4:10pm

_Brian wrote: »

Jeez.. Imagine heading out to check stock and finding that

It happened me once but not to that extent.

It's not a very nice feeling.

ganmo · 10-08-2016 5:51pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It happened me once but not to that extent.

It's not a very nice feeling.

About 10 years ago meself and the brother were walkin back to the house when I heard a dog barking. It took me a minute to figure where it was coming from, I took off running shouting back at the bro to go and get dad and the gun. The dog had a ewe cornered after driving her through a fence and taken a few lumps out of her. I managed to keep the dog distracted until the reinforcements arrived. That was the first time (at 17) that I thought a dog would have a go at me

Username John · 10-08-2016 7:38pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It happened me once but not to that extent.

It's not a very nice feeling.

Happened here as well... Again - not as bad as that, but happened twice... The dogs were killed and the lad who owned em paid up in the end, but twas a sickening sickening sight to go out to...

Fcuking people who don't mind their dogs...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2016 7:38pm

ganmo wrote: »

About 10 years ago meself and the brother were walkin back to the house when I heard a dog barking. It took me a minute to figure where it was coming from, I took off running shouting back at the bro to go and get dad and the gun. The dog had a ewe cornered after driving her through a fence and taken a few lumps out of her. I managed to keep the dog distracted until the reinforcements arrived. That was the first time (at 17) that I thought a dog would have a go at me

I've been very lucky with dogs in that I've only had serious attacks 4 times but I have a neighbour who is very proactive in dealing with dogs.

I'll be in a different situation when he retires, though:(

rangler1 · 10-08-2016 7:45pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I've been very lucky with dogs in that I've only had serious attacks 4 times but I have a neighbour who is very proactive in dealing with dogs.

I'll be in a different situation when he retires, though:(

I always report loose dogs, and i've no problem phoning again if they're not picked up....... if every farmer did the same, we'd have fewer problems.
Also not afraid to use a gun here either, but sods law dictates that when you have the gun you won't see the dog and vice verse.
Very expensive to insure against dog attacks too

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-08-2016 8:11pm

rangler1 wrote: »

I always report loose dogs, and i've no problem phoning again if they're not picked up....... if every farmer did the same, we'd have fewer problems.
Also not afraid to use a gun here either, but sods law dictates that when you have the gun you won't see the dog and vice verse.
Very expensive to insure against dog attacks too

Reporting is pointless here, rangler. I had a dog trapped in the corner of a field on a Friday, iirc, where he couldn't leave and I rang the dog warden to collect him.

I'll be out your way on Tuesday was the reply!!!!!!!

They are only pulling the urine round here. We had the warden round a couple of years ago and he checked into all the houses that had dog licences. The ones with dogs and without licences were left alone

rangler1 · 10-08-2016 8:45pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Reporting is pointless here, rangler. I had a dog trapped in the corner of a field on a Friday, iirc, where he couldn't leave and I rang the dog warden to collect him.

I'll be out your way on Tuesday was the reply!!!!!!!

They are only pulling the urine round here. We had the warden round a couple of years ago and he checked into all the houses that had dog licences. The ones with dogs and without licences were left alone

If you let them away with negligence why would they bother,I wouldn't worry about licenses, they can't force anyone to buy a license but it's their job to pick up strays.
Best idea is to catch the dog and bring him straight to the pound....really annoys the owner, last one i brought in had a chip and the reg owner was 150 mls away.....so much for chipping them

Dog attacks on sheep !!

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