Bdgp

Sami23 · 19-04-2019 10:48am

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I put my 2 together for the winter aswell. Often seen them licking each other, no problem with them fighting either.

In shed or outwintered ?

Limestone Cowboy · 19-04-2019 11:27am

Sami23 wrote: »

In shed or outwintered ?

Outwintered.

Grueller · 19-04-2019 5:38pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Rams can be the same
You should have great calves if you’re crossing those two breeds

Happy with a lot of the calves. As always there are a few that I would like to improve upon but such is the way of it.
As far as I can see in sucklers it is make the export grade e & u or make no money.

Dunedin · 20-04-2019 10:43pm

anthony500_1 wrote: »

I was in same boat here, not around enough to catch them bulling, was a pure disaster I went the opposite way to most and bought a 5yr old high star bull with great breeding cheap off done deal so bought off farm, I seen his calfs on the ground and was very happy with what I seen. This will be his 3rd season running with my cows and only reason I'll be getting rid of him is because I've kept all the heifers he produced.
A good electric fence is the only way to stop him heading off to the neighbours bulling heifers but once it's on he won't even sniff over the wall at them. Biggest problem I have is after his job is done trying to find a corner to keep him in.
Got caught the first year where I scanned the cows and once they were in calf put the bull back with them. One broke never spotted it and ended up with 1 calf 6mts after the rest. Not ideal in my own situation. There is not much in the line of stockmanship different to cows other than obviously never trust a bull etc keep an eye out on the likes of done deal and ask for the tag no, then check out his stars breeding etc on icbf bull search it will give you a good idea if the bull on paper at least will suit your herd before you ever go and look at him.

Just be extra careful with a bull once he has all cows done and no work - that’s the time they become cross and frustrated (for obvious reasons).

Tyson Lannister · 18-06-2019 12:44pm

Tomjim wrote: »

I rang ICBF, the problem is the bull was never genotyped ie tested, si I have to do that now

I have the same problem - I kept one of my own pedigree bulls but just got a text that he needs to be Genotyped before 30 June - whats the fastest way of getting it sorted?

Bellview · 18-06-2019 1:09pm

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

I have the same problem - I kept one of my own pedigree bulls but just got a text that he needs to be Genotyped before 30 June - whats the fastest way of getting it sorted?

You can order hair sample card online...you will have card in a day or two... pluck the hairs and post back.
In fairness they are really prompt as I had to check sire of a calf a few weeks ago and I got answer in about 10 days

Hurling Hereford · 18-06-2019 9:38pm

Bellview wrote: »

You can order hair sample card online...you will have card in a day or two... pluck the hairs and post back.
In fairness they are really prompt as I had to check sire of a calf a few weeks ago and I got answer in about 10 days

May take a while longer following the 'bull letters' that issued to farmers earlier this week.

High bike · 18-06-2019 10:52pm

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

May take a while longer following the 'bull letters' that issued to farmers earlier this week.

what letters was that?

tanko · 18-06-2019 11:33pm

High bike wrote: »

what letters was that?

Some of the rules about stock bull eligibility have been tweeked a bit.
I dont have a bull so not sure what they are but theyre on the icbf.com homepage.

High bike · 19-06-2019 8:55am

tanko wrote: »

Some of the rules about stock bull eligibility have been tweeked a bit.
I dont have a bull so not sure what they are but theyre on the icbf.com homepage.

the goal post are moving again

Parishlad · 19-06-2019 9:16am

High bike wrote: »

the goal post are moving again

In fairness they seem to have made the goals a bit bigger.

Welding Rod · 24-06-2019 1:34pm

Does anyone know off hand, if there is a minimum time period, you need to keep a calf in the herd, once you have tagged it for BDGP purposes?
Had a notion it was five weeks, but can’t find any details on dept website!

Thanks.

Sami23 · 24-06-2019 1:36pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

Does anyone know off hand, if there is a minimum time period, you need to keep a calf in the herd, once you have tagged it for BDGP purposes?
Had a notion it was five weeks, but can’t find any details on dept website!

Thanks.

5 months

Welding Rod · 24-06-2019 1:47pm

Sami23 wrote: »

5 months

Is that from birth, or is it from date of tagging?

Sami23 · 24-06-2019 2:27pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

Is that from birth, or is it from date of tagging?

Birth

tanko · 24-06-2019 3:02pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

Does anyone know off hand, if there is a minimum time period, you need to keep a calf in the herd, once you have tagged it for BDGP purposes?
Had a notion it was five weeks, but can’t find any details on dept website!

Thanks.

As long as the calf is at least 5 months old you can sell it the minute its tagged with the genomic tag afaik. Just have to make sure the sample isn't empty i suppose.

Bellview · 12-07-2019 4:41pm

Assume this scheme does not qualify for the brexit fund

High bike · 12-07-2019 6:08pm

Bellview wrote: »

Assume this scheme does not qualify for the brexit fund

i think it does along with the glas scheme

Sugarbowl · 13-07-2019 8:18am

I read on the article on the farming indo online that BDGP falls under a department agri scheme so looks like it does. I thought at first I would be cut out as no QA or Glas here.

sonnybill · 13-07-2019 4:47pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

I read on the article on the farming indo online that BDGP falls under a department agri scheme so looks like it does. I thought at first I would be cut out as no QA or Glas here.

A lot of people be in similar scenario if glas didn’t suit they didn’t bother , pity lots took a dislike to bdgp also and no access to the fund now

Bellview · 13-07-2019 4:57pm

sonnybill wrote: »

A lot of people be in similar scenario if glas didn’t suit they didn’t bother , pity lots took a dislike to bdgp also and no access to the fund now

Pity a lot of folks excluded and these folks are really being punished for standing by their principles on the genomic scheme... which has a lot of faults. I’m in scheme and stayed in by 20 per cent of folks you joined have also left ..

Just a pity that he minister civil servants took an opportunity to give folks that did not believe in this scheme a kick when they are down

sonnybill · 13-07-2019 5:09pm

Bellview wrote: »

Pity a lot of folks excluded and these folks are really being punished for standing by their principles on the genomic scheme... which has a lot of faults. I’m in scheme and stayed in by 20 per cent of folks you joined have also left ..

Just a pity that he minister civil servants took an opportunity to give folks that did not believe in this scheme a kick when they are down

Yep loads of the older gentlemen and not so computer savvy people didn’t go for the bdgp either and will lose out now

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-09-2019 12:28pm

Just thought I'd remind folks that today is the last day for getting your Carbon Navigator sent in online. Too late for post now anyway.

sonnybill · 02-10-2019 2:01am

That time of year again to check which calves are too young to sell.

I inputted the docility, scour , pneumonia 5.5 months info on a 02 May born calf today , once system allows me to record that .. sell away ??!!

High bike · 02-10-2019 12:14pm

sonnybill wrote: »

That time of year again to check which calves are too young to sell.

I inputted the docility, scour , pneumonia 5.5 months info on a 02 May born calf today , once system allows me to record that .. sell away ??!!

thats it in a nutshell if 5 mts you can sell away

Green&Red · 02-10-2019 4:46pm

I happened to be looking through the T&Cs for this and one thing I didn't realise is that for an animal to be eligible she has to be born in 2013 or later. I've lots of older cows than that which can't count towards my 50%.

Also its the original rating the animal gets, so again I have a few cows which are now rated as 3* but were originally rated as 4*, they are eligible. Likewise if you had a cow rated originally at 3* shes doesn't count towards your final number. You can check their first genomic rating on the ICBF website, click on herd profile, search for the animal, click on their number and theres a tab for genomic profile, the one highlighted is the relevant scoring

tanko · 02-10-2019 5:17pm

Green&Red wrote: »

I happened to be looking through the T&Cs for this and one thing I didn't realise is that for an animal to be eligible she has to be born in 2013 or later. I've lots of older cows than that which can't count towards my 50%.

Also its the original rating the animal gets, so again I have a few cows which are now rated as 3* but were originally rated as 4*, they are eligible. Likewise if you had a cow rated originally at 3* shes doesn't count towards your final number. You can check their first genomic rating on the ICBF website, click on herd profile, search for the animal, click on their number and theres a tab for genomic profile, the one highlighted is the relevant scoring

I could be wrong but i think that 2013 thing was changed at some stage so that if the cow was in your herd when you joined the scheme she still qualifies even tho she was born before 2013 but if she was bought in after you joined the scheme she doesn't qualify.
The whole scheme is a shambles at this stage, genomics isn't doing what they said it would. Animal ratings are changing wildly after getting a genomic evaluation.

Limestone Cowboy · 02-10-2019 5:26pm

tanko wrote: »

I could be wrong but i think that 2013 thing was changed at some stage so that if the cow was in your herd when you joined the scheme she still qualifies even tho she was born before 2013 but if she was bought in after you joined the scheme she doesn't qualify.
The whole scheme is a shambles at this stage, genomics isn't doing what they said it would. Animal ratings are changing wildly after getting a genomic evaluation.

Ya I think your right about that tanko. Was looking through my icbf yesterday and a load of cows are after going up again. It's a proper shambles. Cows that have been genotyped since the beginning of the scheme have gone from 5* to 3* and back to 5* again over a few years. You couldn't make it up.

Hurling Hereford · 02-10-2019 6:52pm

sonnybill wrote: »

That time of year again to check which calves are too young to sell.

I inputted the docility, scour , pneumonia 5.5 months info on a 02 May born calf today , once system allows me to record that .. sell away ??!!

As of tomorrow, sell away until your heart is content. Hope you get a good price for them also.

dh1985 · 02-10-2019 8:46pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Ya I think your right about that tanko. Was looking through my icbf yesterday and a load of cows are after going up again. It's a proper shambles. Cows that have been genotyped since the beginning of the scheme have gone from 5* to 3* and back to 5* again over a few years. You couldn't make it up.

The results of this scheme is bull****. The stars were never accurate for beef cows. Some of my best cows are rated my worst even though they produce calves every 365 or less and calves weigh and sell well. And numerous calvings and data to back it up. And vice versa with high star animals. It's pure guess work and jobs for the boys and profiteering from AI companies with the next big fashionable bull. The only benefit is its handy money for very little work. Wouldn't be basing my breeding regime on it though

Bellview · 09-10-2019 4:54am

dh1985 wrote: »

The results of this scheme is bull****. The stars were never accurate for beef cows. Some of my best cows are rated my worst even though they produce calves every 365 or less and calves weigh and sell well. And numerous calvings and data to back it up. And vice versa with high star animals. It's pure guess work and jobs for the boys and profiteering from AI companies with the next big fashionable bull. The only benefit is its handy money for very little work. Wouldn't be basing my breeding regime on it though

Very true.. but you will meet lads then that their first comment when selling cattle is they have blah blah stars... this is especially true in pedigree bulls ...there was a good piece in the journal a few months back in stars .. and the comment from journalist was if stars are 20% accurate only place 20% of your judgement on the stars

patsy_mccabe · 07-11-2019 2:38pm

I just completed my Carbon Navigator there on-line. Am I too late now? It saved fine. I didn't realise the deadline had passed already.

https://www.icbf.com/wp/?p=13900

whelan2 · 07-11-2019 3:01pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I just completed my Carbon Navigator there on-line. Am I too late now? It saved fine. I didn't realise the deadline had passed already.

https://www.icbf.com/wp/?p=13900

Ring them and ask

sonnybill · 11-12-2019 6:46pm

I see they started Dec 11th paying ..anyone have it showing in agfood financial services?

Sami23 · 11-12-2019 7:23pm

sonnybill wrote: »

I see they started Dec 11th paying ..anyone have it showing in agfood financial services?

In a/c this morning here anyway

whelan2 · 11-12-2019 11:57pm

sonnybill wrote: »

I see they started Dec 11th paying ..anyone have it showing in agfood financial services?

Showing in amounts due on agfood here dated 11/12

dohc turbo2 · 12-12-2019 12:35am

whelan2 wrote: »

Showing in amounts due on agfood here dated 11/12

Nothing showing here

TooOldBoots · 12-12-2019 7:20am

Taz landed in the account

sonnybill · 12-12-2019 9:08am

I hadn’t recorded a “dam departure reason’

whelan2 · 12-12-2019 10:36am

sonnybill wrote: »

I hadn’t recorded a “dam departure reason’

Will you still get paid?

Lady Haywire · 12-12-2019 6:14pm

Me too- dam departure reasoning. Aye she fooking died, she wasn't hanging around to have ghostie calves for us. :rolleyes:

dohc turbo2 · 12-12-2019 8:27pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Me too- dam departure reasoning. Aye she fooking died, she wasn't hanging around to have ghostie calves for us. :rolleyes:

Did u ring to find out that

Lady Haywire · 12-12-2019 8:32pm

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Did u ring to find out that

No, she showed up online as needing a reason.
No 'Death' departure reason either :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

sonnybill · 12-12-2019 11:04pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Will you still get paid?

Ah I will ya but as I haven’t done it before this round of prepayment checks I’ll be in next batch but I probably should have looked at the icbf sooner and I’d have been paid , ive a penalty coming too as I used 5 TVR straws and although I’m 100% ai usage you need to pick 80% of 4-5 star and he had fallen from grace due to high hard calving figures

dohc turbo2 · 13-12-2019 11:01am

Found out why I’m delayed , my stock bull got injured and I had no bull on farm 30th June , so I’m facing a penalty

whelan2 · 13-12-2019 11:03am

sonnybill wrote: »

Ah I will ya but as I haven’t done it before this round of prepayment checks I’ll be in next batch but I probably should have looked at the icbf sooner and I’d have been paid , ive a penalty coming too as I used 5 TVR straws and although I’m 100% ai usage you need to pick 80% of 4-5 star and he had fallen from grace due to high hard calving figures

We were penalised a few years ago as I didn't fill out all the surveys. I now check every few weeks and fill in whatever they want.

Parishlad · 13-12-2019 11:26am

whelan2 wrote: »

We were penalised a few years ago as I didn't fill out all the surveys. I now check every few weeks and fill in whatever they want.

Same here. I'd check in to ICBF regularly just to check.

Grueller · 13-12-2019 1:09pm

Showing in amounts due here at the moment. Just as well with the amount of bills I have paid this month.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 13-12-2019 3:13pm

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Found out why I’m delayed , my stock bull got injured and I had no bull on farm 30th June , so I’m facing a penalty

My bull hurt his leg earlier this year and had to hang onto him to satisfy the requirements even though I was well in excess of all the other requirements. I'll leave him now till the date he has to be here and move him on then.

Parishlad · 13-12-2019 5:20pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

My bull hurt his leg earlier this year and had to hang onto him to satisfy the requirements even though I was well in excess of all the other requirements. I'll leave him now till the date he has to be here and move him on then.

That's an 'interesting' requirement for BDGP, i.e. that you need to keep the bull for a certain period of time. I never even thought about it to be honest and I suppose luckily I've had no reason to move my bull on.

Bdgp

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