Planning permission external insulation?

bri007 · 16-04-2019 5:59pm #1

Hi all,

We just bought a house and are picking up the key this Friday.

The BER is pretty low so we are looking at getting windows straight away as they are all single glazed and need replacing due to damp etc.

We want to get the external insulation done, we had a look around the houses beside us and it doesn’t appear that anyone else have got it done so was wondering if we need planning permission then to get this done?

Thanks in advance.

woohoo!!! · 16-04-2019 7:11pm

No, providing it's not a protected structure or in a conservation area. It falls under general repair or maintenance which doesn't need planning.

bri007 · 16-04-2019 7:17pm

Perfect thanks a mill.

woohoo!!! wrote: »

No, providing it's not a protected structure or in a conservation area. It falls under general repair or maintenance which doesn't need planning.

Yakov P. Golyadkin · 16-04-2019 8:09pm

I'd be a little more cautious, as no one beside you has gotten external insulation fitted/applied it may be judged to be inconsistent with the character of neighbouring houses. A Section 5 declaration may be advisable.

Gumbo · 16-04-2019 8:50pm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

No, providing it's not a protected structure or in a conservation area. It falls under general repair or maintenance which doesn't need planning.

I would disagree. It doesn’t fall under repair or maintenance.
There is no specific exemption for external wall insulation at the moment.

What you are relying on is the exemption that allows alterations that do not materially effect the streetscape.

So if the row of houses are all red brick facing then the EWI you choose will have to be matching that. You can’t go to a plain render IMO.

Once it matches I to the current streetscape you are fine IMO.

development consisting of the carrying out of works for the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of any structure, being works which affect only the interior of the structure or which do not materially affect the external appearance of the structure so as to render the appearance inconsistent with the character of the structure or of neighbouring structures;

bri007 · 16-04-2019 8:58pm

Would I contact the local council first before doing anything? I was just a bit concerned nobody else around has done it, as so many houses are getting it done these days but none on my road from what I can see

kceire wrote: »

I would disagree. It doesn’t fall under repair or maintenance.
There is no specific exemption for external wall insulation at the moment.

What you are relying on is the exemption that allows alterations that do not materially effect the streetscape.

So if the row of houses are all red brick facing then the EWI you choose will have to be matching that. You can’t go to a plain render IMO.

Once it matches I to the current streetscape you are fine IMO.

Gumbo · 16-04-2019 11:05pm

bri007 wrote: »

Would I contact the local council first before doing anything? I was just a bit concerned nobody else around has done it, as so many houses are getting it done these days but none on my road from what I can see

Depends on what the front of your house looks like now and what finish it will have afterwards.

PM me the address and I’ll take a look if you want.

Calahonda52 · 16-04-2019 11:17pm

bri007 wrote: »

Hi all,

We just bought a house and are picking up the key this Friday.

The BER is pretty low so we are looking at getting windows straight away as they are all single glazed and need replacing due to damp etc.

We want to get the external insulation done, we had a look around the houses beside us and it doesn’t appear that anyone else have got it done so was wondering if we need planning permission then to get this done?

Thanks in advance.

If going EWI, do not replace the windows now.
Wait for the EWI and get new windows that hang on the outside leaf of the walls just as the EWI is being done, windows first then EWI: search here for member SAS who did this about 10 years ago. Great job, if you get a builder who understands thermal bridging

bri007 · 16-04-2019 11:21pm

Our surveyor told us to get the windows first and get the windows placed further out to allow for the insulation so the windows won’t look to deep inside when the EWInis done?

Calahonda52 wrote: »

If going EWI, do not replace the windows now.
Wait for the EWI and get new windows that hang on the outside leaf of the walls just as the EWI is being done, windows first then EWI: search here for member SAS who did this about 10 years ago. Great job, if you get a builder who understands thermal bridging

bri007 · 16-04-2019 11:34pm

PM sent thanks

kceire wrote: »

Depends on what the front of your house looks like now and what finish it will have afterwards.

PM me the address and I’ll take a look if you want.

nw5iytvs0lf1uz · 16-04-2019 11:48pm

bri007 wrote: »

Hi all,

We just bought a house and are picking up the key this Friday.

The BER is pretty low so we are looking at getting windows straight away as they are all single glazed and need replacing due to damp etc.

We want to get the external insulation done, we had a look around the houses beside us and it doesn’t appear that anyone else have got it done so was wondering if we need planning permission then to get this done?

Thanks in advance.

I bought a house with very poor ber
I took up the concrete floor inside and put down insulation and then concreted
This has really helped
I went for internal dry lining and while this option reduces room size i think it’s a better option then external

bri007 · 16-04-2019 11:50pm

is there much of a difference price wise for internal insulation?

Milena Fit Textbook wrote: »

I bought a house with very poor ber
I took up the concrete floor inside and put down insulation and then concreted
This has really helped
I went for internal dry lining and while this option reduces room size i think it’s a better option then external

nw5iytvs0lf1uz · 17-04-2019 12:04am

bri007 wrote: »

is there much of a difference price wise for internal insulation?

Internal dry lining is a lot cheaper but you will lose 4 inches per external wall
There might be some issues around some doors and stairs but if you go with external insulation get someone very good because if done wrong you might have serious problems with damp

bri007 · 17-04-2019 12:10am

Thanks,

I was getting quotes of €12,000-€14,000 with the grant for the EWI. I will look into the internal insulation. Is that on all internal walls insulation or just on outer internal walls

Milena Fit Textbook wrote: »

Internal dry lining is a lot cheaper but you will lose 4 inches per external wall
There might be some issues around some doors and stairs but if you go with external insulation get someone very good because if done wrong you might have serious problems with damp

nw5iytvs0lf1uz · 17-04-2019 12:18am

bri007 wrote: »

Thanks,

I was getting quotes of €12,000-€14,000 with the grant for the EWI. I will look into the internal insulation. Is that on all internal walls insulation or just on outer internal walls

Outer internal walls only but they will plaster finish
Some plasterers will quote for the internal for cash work
You won’t need the grants if you follow

bri007 · 17-04-2019 12:21am

Perfect thanks a mill for your help.

Milena Fit Textbook wrote: »

Outer internal walls only but they will plaster finish
Some plasterers will quote for the internal for cash work
You won’t need the grants if you follow

woohoo!!! · 17-04-2019 6:45am

kceire wrote: »

woohoo!!! wrote: »

No, providing it's not a protected structure or in a conservation area. It falls under general repair or maintenance which doesn't need planning.

I would disagree. It doesn’t fall under repair or maintenance. There is no specific exemption for external wall insulation at the moment. What you are relying on is the exemption that allows alterations that do not materially effect the streetscape. So if the row of houses are all red brick facing then the EWI you choose will have to be matching that. You can’t go to a plain render IMO. Once it matches I to the current streetscape you are fine IMO.

development consisting of the carrying out of works for the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of any structure, being works which affect only the interior of the structure or which do not materially affect the external appearance of the structure so as to render the appearance inconsistent with the character of the structure or of neighbouring structures;

Yep that one kceire as there isn't a specific one. I'd be very critical of any Council that would turn down a S5 declaration, in effect making someone apply for pp to better insulate a house. I've done one and successfully argued that.

Gumbo · 17-04-2019 9:02am

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Yep that one kceire as there isn't a specific one. I'd be very critical of any Council that would turn down a S5 declaration, in effect making someone apply for pp to better insulate a house. I've done one and successfully argued that.

Councils don't "turn down" S5 Applications. They simply tell you whether the works as described require planning or not.

Anyway, based on the OP's PM, EWI wouldn't require planning in my opinion as the finish will match what's already there.

BryanF · 17-04-2019 8:47pm

Milena Fit Textbook wrote: »

Outer internal walls only but they will plaster finish
Some plasterers will quote for the internal for cash work
You won’t need the grants if you follow

Welcome to boards.ie

Please read the forum charter

We obey the law here, and won’t be discussing the black economy

bri007 · 09-05-2019 6:28pm

So I’m still contemplating getting external insulation over internal insulation.

With regards to internal insulation, we have kitchen all tiled and the bathroom all tiles that leads out to an external wall so I presume they would place new insulation over this and then we would have to get all new tiles etc?

I counted 9 walls that would need insulating, would I get this done for 5-6k?

Gumbo · 09-05-2019 10:34pm

bri007 wrote: »

So I’m still contemplating getting external insulation over internal insulation.

With regards to internal insulation, we have kitchen all tiled and the bathroom all tiles that leads out to an external wall so I presume they would place new insulation over this and then we would have to get all new tiles etc?

I counted 9 walls that would need insulating, would I get this done for 5-6k?

Existing tiles removed.
Existing plasterboard removed back to bare walls.
Then new internal insulation so a lot more work that you posted.

89tipp91 · 08-09-2022 9:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/109953552#Comment_109953552

We are getting external wall insulation done on a semi d built 1934 with brick on the lower half and plaster on the upper half of the front elevation, should we need to contact the council to get permission for the EWI as it will look different to next door and different to the rest of the street, although the other houses are similar vintage-half brick, half plaster , I.e: not edwardian red brick

Gumbo · 08-09-2022 9:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592300#Comment_119592300

Are you removing the lower brick finish and replacing with a smooth rendered finish?

89tipp91 · 08-09-2022 9:18pm

Yes, That's what was suggested by the surveyor

89tipp91 · 15-09-2022 11:22am

Any further thoughts on this?

89tipp91 · 19-09-2022 9:38pm

Any further thoughts on this?

dathi · 20-09-2022 9:10am

how about using brick slips to replicate the original wall .

89tipp91 · 22-09-2022 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119640371#Comment_119640371

Yes, I think we ll have to go with this option for the lower half

Planning permission external insulation?

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