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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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    #5582
    Scottmactom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Clegg wrote: »
    The hierarchy at openside is intriguing. A fit and in form Leavy is an incredible player. Nuisance on the deck and a powerful carrier. But in his absence VdF has been one of Leinster's most consistent performers and our overall best player this season imo. Could potentially see Leavy move to blindside to accommodate both on the pitch. But that leaves Ruddock in the wilderness when he's done nothing to warrant a benching.

    Dunno about that, there is a reason he wasn't with ireland and he admitted as much in an interview with Luke.


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    #5583
    Scottmactom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    aloooof wrote: »
    VdF did somewhat similar last season, returned from injury in the Pro 14 SF and was brilliant straight out of the gate, getting man of the match, he was class that day.

    Obviously VdF wasn't out for as long as Leavy, but hopefully Leavy can return to his pre-injury levels, I'd wish him all the best (just not against Munster ;))

    Leavy's career was almost over, he has a huge task to get back to where he was pre-injury.


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    #5584
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Scottmactom wrote: »
    Dunno about that, there is a reason he wasn't with ireland and he admitted as much in an interview with Luke.

    Be interested see how he's worked on his game from the feedback got in relation to that.


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    #5585
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Is Ruddock the most overlooked player in Irish rugby over the last 10 years? Always seems to miss out in marginal selections. Never lets the team down when he plays. He’s had some bad luck with the timing of injuries which hasn’t helped. He probably just lacks a little bit of dynamism at the top level compared with other options. I think (post injury) Leavy will do extremely well to come back and start regularly ahead of him though. Ruddock, VDF and Doris with Conan off the bench? Deegan and Leavy next in line. Then Josh Murphy? Some depth. If Leavy somehow manages to get back to pre injury form I’d be starting him. Would be horses for courses-more open games I’d have Leavy and VDF, slower games Ruddock and Leavy.


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    #5586
    Scottmactom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Leavy was already a bit slow for a 7, this injury won't help him there.


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    #5587
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Scottmactom wrote: »
    apart from the obvious huge trauma his leg suffered. He is quite obviously going to be behind the rest.

    That's why I said "as level a playing field as you could ask for"


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    #5588
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Scottmactom wrote: »
    Will leavy be ready for munster? big ask for his 1st game back in over a year.
    Scottmactom wrote: »
    apart from the obvious huge trauma his leg suffered. He is quite obviously going to be behind the rest.

    If you knew the answer, why did you ask the question?


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    #5589
    Granny15
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    aloooof wrote: »
    VdF did somewhat similar last season, returned from injury in the Pro 14 SF and was brilliant straight out of the gate, getting man of the match, he was class that day.

    Obviously VdF wasn't out for as long as Leavy, but hopefully Leavy can return to his pre-injury levels, I'd wish him all the best (just not against Munster ;))

    As far as Leavy - It would take some time to bed in the rough and tumble of game knocks to his leg. He needs to earn game time so his speed off his bad leg will need to be as sharp as before, before he gets game time. I would say we will see him late October if I was to guess, after 2/3 months of contact and full tilt training. If he holds up in that regard there is no reason not to play him provided he is earning his place on current training form and not on past reputation


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    #5590
    salmocab
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    Granny15 wrote: »
    As far as Leavy - It would take some time to bed in the rough and tumble of game knocks to his leg. He needs to earn game time so his speed off his bad leg will need to be as sharp as before, before he gets game time. I would say we will see him late October if I was to guess, after 2/3 months of contact and full tilt training. If he holds up in that regard there is no reason not to play him provided he is earning his place on current training form and not on past reputation

    He was thought to be close to playing In March so I’m not sure he could be further back in August.


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    #5591
    Richie_Rich89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    salmocab wrote: »
    Going to be very interesting starting off with probably all back rows available between the internationals usually back slightly later and then away regularly generally it’s rare that they are all fit and available at the same time and even then it’s generally understood that for big games who is likely in but this year all could be available for a good while before the internationals and an injury or two kick in.

    Maybe they should consider a move to inside centre for Deegan? He's a much better footballer than Henshaw - better passer, better offloader, better footwork, probably a better kicker. Smarter player all round really. It'd be interesting to see how he'd go there.


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    #5592
    Scottmactom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Richie_Rich89 wrote: »
    Maybe they should consider a move to inside centre for Deegan? He's a much better footballer than Henshaw - better passer, better offloader, better footwork, probably a better kicker. Smarter player all round really. It'd be interesting to see how he'd go there.

    dear lord, Deegan outgrew the position as a 4th year in school.


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    #5593
    the baby bull elephant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭the baby bull elephant


    Harrison Brewer and Jordan Coghlan think it's a great idea.


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    #5594
    Shefwedfan
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    Richie_Rich89 wrote: »
    Maybe they should consider a move to inside centre for Deegan? He's a much better footballer than Henshaw - better passer, better offloader, better footwork, probably a better kicker. Smarter player all round really. It'd be interesting to see how he'd go there.




    I agree 100%


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    #5595
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    the baby bull elephant wrote: »
    Harrison Brewer and Jordan Coghlan think it's a great idea.

    Tom Youngs is probably the best success story. IIRC he was converted from centre to hooker.


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    #5596
    pickarooney
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    Granny15 wrote: »
    As far as Leavy - It would take some time to bed in the rough and tumble of game knocks to his leg. He needs to earn game time so his speed off his bad leg will need to be as sharp as before, before he gets game time. I would say we will see him late October if I was to guess, after 2/3 months of contact and full tilt training. If he holds up in that regard there is no reason not to play him provided he is earning his place on current training form and not on past reputation

    So would you say it's time to give Will Connors an extended run?


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    #5597
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Virtual Q&A with CEO Micky D on Thursday night where you can submit questions in advance.

    Details emailed to ST holders.


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    #5598
    Granny15
    Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Granny15


    pickarooney wrote: »
    So would you say it's time to give Will Connors an extended run?

    I don’t think Connors has the pace around the park to be a top class 7. Tackle stats are up there but you want more from your 7 than an out and out tackler. In fact I think that’s all he brings to the team. He jogs around the pitch and is laboured.

    There’s a lot of hype surrounding him and you’d wonder why given the points I just made. Maybe a cohort of school friends on rugby websites and country commentators who cream themselves at his “reads”. About the only guff they can come up with about him because he is very slow and offers very little else.


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    #5599
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Granny15 wrote: »
    I don’t think Connors has the pace around the park to be a top class 7. Tackle stats are up there but you want more from your 7 than an out and out tackler. In fact I think that’s all he brings to the team. He jogs around the pitch and is laboured.

    There’s a lot of hype surrounding him and you’d wonder why given the points I just made. Maybe a cohort of school friends on rugby websites and country commentators who cream themselves at his “reads”. About the only guff they can come up with about him because he is very slow and offers very little else.

    I really wonder what your beef with him is.


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    #5600
    Granny15
    Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Granny15


    salmocab wrote: »
    I really wonder what your beef with him is.

    Did you ever think I just other players higher and am sick of the imbalanced fan club he gets online? He’s an all right player nothing more


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    #5601
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Granny15 wrote: »
    Did you ever think I just other players higher and am sick of the imbalanced fan club he gets online? He’s an all right player nothing more

    No because you’ve banged on about him since he came in the scene, even once if I remember right claiming that he was only making so many tackles to get his stats up, You’ve given out about him so much that people here mention him to just get a rise out of you.


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    #5602
    Granny15
    Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Granny15


    salmocab wrote: »
    No because you’ve banged on about him since he came in the scene, even once if I remember right claiming that he was only making so many tackles to get his stats up, You’ve given out about him so much that people here mention him to just get a rise out of you.

    A player does what he is within his abilities to do on the field. For Connors that is tackling. Players before him were selfish Darcy comes to mind butchering overlaps to try and go on solo runs to get the try himself. He often got it but the times he didn’t I thought it was selfish. Is Connors the same? Only time will tell.


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    #5603
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I can't believe I just googled what school Connors went to, should have been immiedately obvious. One of the more hilariously sadly predictable things on the internet


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    #5604
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Confirmed that Rob Kearney and Fergus McFadden will be given a chance to go out on a high as both have extended their contracts to complete the season.

    Both players' deals were due to expire at the end of June.


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    #5605
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Is Ruddock the most overlooked player in Irish rugby over the last 10 years? Always seems to miss out in marginal selections. Never lets the team down when he plays. He’s had some bad luck with the timing of injuries which hasn’t helped. He probably just lacks a little bit of dynamism at the top level compared with other options. I think (post injury) Leavy will do extremely well to come back and start regularly ahead of him though. Ruddock, VDF and Doris with Conan off the bench? Deegan and Leavy next in line. Then Josh Murphy? Some depth. If Leavy somehow manages to get back to pre injury form I’d be starting him. Would be horses for courses-more open games I’d have Leavy and VDF, slower games Ruddock and Leavy.

    He's certainly up there alright. I'm a big fan, but for me it's a lack of explosiveness that holds him back, relative to some of the others. He's superior in many facets to others, but doesn't tend to have those wow moments.


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    #5606
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Might have missed it, but is Lowe out of contract at the end of this season or has he signed an extension/renewal yet? His original contract was reported as 3 years in 2017 by most places.


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    #5607
    Scottmactom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    no contract extensions have been announced for players who were out of contract at the end of this season, but Mick Dawson said that all the players contracts were decided/sorted for next season so presume he has signed a new one and it hasn't been announced along with probably a 3rd of the squad.


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    #5608
    VANG1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭VANG1


    All players have tested clear. We’re back


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    #5609
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Wonder what the story is with Lowe. Training starts tomorrow but he's in New Zealand. When he comes back he presumably has to quarantine for 2 weeks. I'm guessing he's going to return as it would have been reported in the media by now if he wasn't.


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    #5610
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Wonder what the story is with Lowe. Training starts tomorrow but he's in New Zealand. When he comes back he presumably has to quarantine for 2 weeks. I'm guessing he's going to return as it would have been reported in the media by now if he wasn't.

    There seems to be some rumours floating around but nothing firm. I've not heard anything from anyone that is generally in the know.

    Huge loss if he doesn't come back, he's a massive part of the Leinster backline and he'll walk into the national team.


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    #5611
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Clegg wrote: »
    Wonder what the story is with Lowe. Training starts tomorrow but he's in New Zealand. When he comes back he presumably has to quarantine for 2 weeks. I'm guessing he's going to return as it would have been reported in the media by now if he wasn't.

    How do you know he's in NZ?


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