British Para regiment under investigation for shooting at posters of Jeremy Corbyn

janfebmar · 05-04-2019 9:33am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Whether it was a war or conflict is navel gazing for those on the high moral ground.

If you can say that you could say the same about 9/11. The only difference between the terrorists who caused the 9/11 atrocity in New York and the terrorists who caused Bloody Friday, Le Mons Hotel, Enniskillen, Birmingham, Guildford, Kingsmill, Claudy, Darkley etc was just one of scale.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 9:37am

janfebmar wrote: »

If you can say that you could say the same about 9/11. The only difference between the terrorists who caused the 9/11 atrocity in New York and the terrorists who caused Bloody Friday, Le Mons Hotel, Enniskillen, Birmingham, Guildford, Kingsmill, Claudy, Darkley etc was just one of scale.

Do you feel better reaching that astounding conclusion?
Are any of the 3000+ dead, alive again?
Have you somehow gone back in time and stopped it all happening by telling the players this nugget of wisdom?

No? Then 'navel gazing' is exactly what you are doing here.

TheIrishGrover · 05-04-2019 9:38am

I didn't even know he was Catholic!

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 10:55am

Anyway back onto the topic at hand. We seem to have some incredibly badly trained paratroopers (is that the standard?) firing at the head of the opposition of the country that they serve. An army is meant to be apolitical. I wouldn't trust these thugs in a situation where discipline is required.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 11:12am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Anyway back onto the topic at hand. We seem to have some incredibly badly trained paratroopers (is that the standard?) firing at the head of the opposition of the country that they serve. An army is meant to be apolitical. I wouldn't trust these thugs in a situation where discipline is required.

The whole 'Poppy, honour and celebrate them all' project has worked very effectively. There won't be a consequence here. This is just some boisterous lads, taking time off from defending the realm.
We know what the subliminal message is here.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 11:29am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The whole 'Poppy, honour and celebrate them all' project has worked very effectively. There won't be a consequence here. This is just some boisterous lads, taking time off from defending the realm.
We know what the subliminal message is here.

So no need for the investigation to take place, mystic frankie has already seen the future and knows the outcome.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 11:31am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Anyway back onto the topic at hand. We seem to have some incredibly badly trained paratroopers (is that the standard?) firing at the head of the opposition of the country that they serve. An army is meant to be apolitical. I wouldn't trust these thugs in a situation where discipline is required.

This wasn't an army practice or directive it was a few gob****es.

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 11:37am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This wasn't an army practice or directive it was a few gob****es.

I know Timber I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying that the army is generally meant to be apolitical.

05-04-2019 11:46am

steddyeddy wrote: »

I know Timber I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying that the army is generally meant to be apolitical.

The army is, but individual soldiers aren't. Unless you are suggesting that serving members of the armed forces should not be allowed to vote?

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 11:47am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So no need for the investigation to take place, mystic frankie has already seen the future and knows the outcome.

No, I can assure you, I base it on the evidence of the past. If they'd actually shot him, they might get around to doing something in 40 years or so.

FTA69 · 05-04-2019 11:51am

janfebmar wrote: »

Indeed they generally are by democratic EEC / EU governments. Not by terrorist organisations of course.

Nor by the British who collaborated with and actively facilitated Loyalist paramilitaries in order to do their dirty work.

War is a state of warfare, nothing more. You can slap whatever labels on it that you like but it remains different groups knocking the sh*te out of each other on a mass scale.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 11:59am

steddyeddy wrote: »

I know Timber I'm not saying otherwise. I'm saying that the army is generally meant to be apolitical.

And it is, unless you have proof that states otherwise?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 12:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, I can assure you, I base it on the evidence of the past. If they'd actually shot him, they might get around to doing something in 40 years or so.

It has been condemned from the highest echelons, an investigation is taking place but sure you know because..... :rolleyes:

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 12:02pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And it is, unless you have proof that states otherwise?

Well it depends. If the army does nothing about these soldiers who are seen firing on images of the leader of the opposition then it isn't apolitical.

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 12:03pm

Aegir wrote: »

The army is, but individual soldiers aren't. Unless you are suggesting that serving members of the armed forces should not be allowed to vote?

This is a training exercise. Are you comparing it to what the army do in their civilian lives?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-04-2019 12:07pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well it depends. If the army does nothing about these soldiers who are seen firing on images of the leader of the opposition then it isn't apolitical.

An investigation is taking place and you can pretty much guarantee they will be getting dishonorable discharges in the near future.

Now if it was standard practice for the army to issue pictures of politicians on the target range then you would definitely have a case.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 12:09pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

but sure you know because.....

...of the past.

05-04-2019 12:30pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

This is a training exercise. Are you comparing it to what the army do in their civilian lives?

it wasn't a training exercise, it was a shooting range.

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 12:39pm

Aegir wrote: »

it wasn't a training exercise, it was a shooting range.

They were in uniform A. When in uniform you represent the army. They did that by firing on a picture of the head of a political party. I take it you wouldn't have a problem with an anti-Brexit soldier firing at a Nigel Farage image?

05-04-2019 12:54pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

They were in uniform A. When in uniform you represent the army. They did that by firing on a picture of the head of a political party.

you are taking this out of all perspective. They were in the target range, set up in the loft of their base in Kabul. They weren't on the parade ground bayoneting life sized images of Corbyn for all the world to see.

steddyeddy wrote: »

I take it you wouldn't have a problem with an anti-Brexit soldier firing at a Nigel Farage image?

they could have been shooting at a photo of Mother Theresa for all I care. They shouldn't have filmed it and put it into circulation though.

If they had been shooting at a picture of Farage though, I am sure you would be on here giving them a pat on the back, but as it's Corbyn and the leader of the "Must never be criticised even though their own party is being ripped apart by claims of anti semetism" then we are all supposed to start screaming and wailing.

OldRio · 05-04-2019 1:22pm

Fair play. Whataboutery at its finest.

Mrsmum · 05-04-2019 1:29pm

The image didn't just appear in front of them on the wall. Someone obviously went to the trouble of sourcing or having an image of Corbyn blown up to that size for that purpose so that makes it a nasty act at a deeper level if you ask me. And when it was put up on the wall, obviously not one of them said ,ah lads, that's not on. Low standards.

skooterblue2 · 05-04-2019 5:17pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Yeh, they are dumb cannon fodder. The state doesn’t even really look after them after they come back from wars either.

My neighbour was well looked after he came back by the British Legion. I have loads of friends who served, were smart and efficient and nice public and civil service jobs after they were discharged

partyguinness · 05-04-2019 5:24pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

My neighbour was well looked after he came back by the British Legion. I have loads of friends who served, were smart and efficient and nice public and civil service jobs after they were discharged

I live in England and ex army etc will get preference when applying for warehouse work etc with the likes of Sainsbury's. Not at the checkout mind but in the warehouses. And Sainsbury's is a very cushy number almost public sector. In fact I know that Sainsbury's actively seek ex army when hiring. Part of their corporate social responsibility BS. A lot of that goes on over here.

partyguinness · 05-04-2019 5:33pm

Aegir wrote: »

you are taking this out of all perspective. They were in the target range, set up in the loft of their base in Kabul. They weren't on the parade ground bayoneting life sized images of Corbyn for all the world to see.

they could have been shooting at a photo of Mother Theresa for all I care. They shouldn't have filmed it and put it into circulation though.

If they had been shooting at a picture of Farage though, I am sure you would be on here giving them a pat on the back, but as it's Corbyn and the leader of the "Must never be criticised even though their own party is being ripped apart by claims of anti semetism" then we are all supposed to start screaming and wailing.

Just goes to show what a bunch of dumb fcukers they are...filming it and then putting it online.

James Brown · 05-04-2019 5:45pm

Aegir wrote: »

you are taking this out of all perspective. They were in the target range, set up in the loft of their base in Kabul. They weren't on the parade ground bayoneting life sized images of Corbyn for all the world to see.

they could have been shooting at a photo of Mother Theresa for all I care. They shouldn't have filmed it and put it into circulation though.

If they had been shooting at a picture of Farage though, I am sure you would be on here giving them a pat on the back, but as it's Corbyn and the leader of the "Must never be criticised even though their own party is being ripped apart by claims of anti semetism" then we are all supposed to start screaming and wailing.

Gas. How do you keep a straight face with your load of aul' bollo?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-04-2019 5:46pm

They need to be court martialed.

6 weeks in a military prison followed by a dishonourable discharge.

RobMc59 · 05-04-2019 6:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Gas. How do you keep a straight face with your load of aul' bollo?

Are you talking about the contents of all your posts?:pac:

skooterblue2 · 05-04-2019 7:03pm

partyguinness wrote: »

I live in England and ex army etc will get preference when applying for warehouse work etc with the likes of Sainsbury's. Not at the checkout mind but in the warehouses. And Sainsbury's is a very cushy number almost public sector. In fact I know that Sainsbury's actively seek ex army when hiring. Part of their corporate social responsibility BS. A lot of that goes on over here.

Not really corporate social responsibility. If you are recruiting from guys who were in stores, quartermasters, logistics corps, arent you getting them from the "good" barrel? Guys who are trained to turn up on time, carry out orders and work as a team. Ever see how the Falklands war turned out? That was an amazing logistical exercise.

05-04-2019 8:44pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Gas. How do you keep a straight face with your load of aul' bollo?

brilliant response. Absolutely awesome.

tell me, how long did you take to come up with that? Did you get any assistance or is it all your own work?

I really am impressed the way you countered each of my arguments with well thought out, reasoned argument.

You sir are a genius. Mensa should be knocking on your door any day now.

Bravo.

FrancieBrady · 05-04-2019 9:08pm

Aegir wrote: »

brilliant response. Absolutely awesome.

tell me, how long did you take to come up with that? Did you get any assistance or is it all your own work?

I really am impressed the way you countered each of my arguments with well thought out, reasoned argument.

You sir are a genius. Mensa should be knocking on your door any day now.

Bravo.

All you did in your post, was set the seriousness of the offence and then downplay it as you always do when it comes to the BA. Classic PR stuff and not very clever.

steddyeddy · 05-04-2019 9:47pm

Aegir wrote: »

you are taking this out of all perspective. They were in the target range, set up in the loft of their base in Kabul. They weren't on the parade ground bayoneting life sized images of Corbyn for all the world to see.

they could have been shooting at a photo of Mother Theresa for all I care. They shouldn't have filmed it and put it into circulation though.

If they had been shooting at a picture of Farage though, I am sure you would be on here giving them a pat on the back, but as it's Corbyn and the leader of the "Must never be criticised even though their own party is being ripped apart by claims of anti semetism" then we are all supposed to start screaming and wailing.

If you are wearing the uniform and using their guns you are representing the army. That's the same whether it be the British or Irish army.

skooterblue2 · 05-04-2019 9:53pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They need to be court martialed.

6 weeks in a military prison followed by a dishonourable discharge.

For what exactly?
Jeremy Corbyn is not an officer, neither is COS.

Stacksofwacks · 05-04-2019 9:56pm

Dont know why they are shooting at Corbyn, if they had any sense they would be shooting at Tony Blair who actually caused many of their comrades to get killed

dd973 · 05-04-2019 11:20pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Dont know why they are shooting at Corbyn, if they had any sense they would be shooting at Tony Blair who actually caused many of their comrades to get killed

That might require some vague intelligence and ability to question things, Billy Britain's aren't exactly endowed with such qualities.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-04-2019 11:33pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

For what exactly?
Jeremy Corbyn is not an officer, neither is COS.

He's the leader of a major British political party.

These soldiers serve the British State. You leave your politics at the door when you sign up for the military.

skooterblue2 · 06-04-2019 9:18pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Dont know why they are shooting at Corbyn, if they had any sense they would be shooting at Tony Blair who actually caused many of their comrades to get killed

Corbyn wants to hand over Paras who shot under orders. Much the same as Bobby Nairac and what he did was despicable he was still under orders. You cannot order a man in the military to open fire and then make him responsible for a decision taken by higher officer. Corbyn also wants to remove nuclear deterrents from the UK. The only country who I have ever see do this willingly was South Africa, but that is self explanatory.

pure.conya · 06-04-2019 10:27pm

Edgware wrote: »

The British taxpayer should have been allowed to continue heavily subsidising the coal industry to keep the miners happy. And introduce grants for Cornish Morris dancers as well

the British tax payer was on the hook only a few years ago for fighter jets flying round trips from Sheffield to libya, dropping hundreds of millions of pounds worth of bombs on the richest African nation, that's left it a failed state and terrorist breeding ground

jolly good

janfebmar · 06-04-2019 10:47pm

pure.conya wrote: »

the British tax payer was on the hook only a few years ago for fighter jets flying round trips from Sheffield to libya, dropping hundreds of millions of pounds worth of bombs on the richest African nation, that's left it a failed state and terrorist breeding ground

Are you referring to the 17 March 2011 when the United Nations Security Council approved military intervention in Libya, and two days later the UK and the United States fired more than 110 Tomahawk missiles at regime targets before sending in fighter jets to protect civilians?

You do not think Libya was already a failed state and terrorist breeding ground, having supplied the PIRA with arms to kill civilians, and bombing the airplane over Lockerbie killing hundreds of civilians?

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 12:48am

janfebmar wrote: »

Are you referring to the 17 March 2011 when the United Nations Security Council approved military intervention in Libya, and two days later the UK and the United States fired more than 110 Tomahawk missiles at regime targets before sending in fighter jets to protect civilians?

You do not think Libya was already a failed state and terrorist breeding ground, having supplied the PIRA with arms to kill civilians, and bombing the airplane over Lockerbie killing hundreds of civilians?

ah stop, they totally ****ed Libya up, destroyed the infrastructure, murdered plenty of innocent men women and children, next you'll be telling me the english didnt actually invade almost every country in the world, still haven't found those WMDs either, David Cameron was first western leader straight into Egypt after their "Arab spring"...

come down off that high horse

droidman123 · 07-04-2019 12:50am

janfebmar wrote: »

Are you referring to the 17 March 2011 when the United Nations Security Council approved military intervention in Libya, and two days later the UK and the United States fired more than 110 Tomahawk missiles at regime targets before sending in fighter jets to protect civilians?

You do not think Libya was already a failed state and terrorist breeding ground, having supplied the PIRA with arms to kill civilians, and bombing the airplane over Lockerbie killing hundreds of civilians?

And who supplied the british army to kill civilans?

pure.conya · 07-04-2019 12:52am

janfebmar wrote: »

Are you referring to the 17 March 2011 when the United Nations Security Council approved military intervention in Libya, and two days later the UK and the United States fired more than 110 Tomahawk missiles at regime targets before sending in fighter jets to protect civilians?

You do not think Libya was already a failed state and terrorist breeding ground, having supplied the PIRA with arms to kill civilians, and bombing the airplane over Lockerbie killing hundreds of civilians?

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/

https://fpif.org/ripped-from-hillarys-emails-french-plot-to-overthrow-gaddafi-and-help-itself-to-libyas-oil/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?destination=/world/frances-sarkozy-detained-over-allegations-of-bribery-by-libya/2018/03/20/a51dc6f1-7afa-421c-be87-e30801ed9e24_story.html?&utm_term=.8f7ef1a376ec

skooterblue2 · 07-04-2019 3:46am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You leave your politics at the door when you sign up for the military.

"Just because you take no interest in politics that doesnt mean it will take no interest in you."

British Para regiment under investigation for shooting at posters of Jeremy Corbyn

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