Can't find a single trace of my fathers birth

Natonstan · 23-07-2016 8:19pm #1

I lost contact with my father a year after I was born, he is down on my birth certificate as James Paul Ruddy, born in the Irish Republic, I know he was born and lives in County Mayo *modsnip*. I do have my parents marriage certificate as well, he is 26 years old and they were married 1990, so that would put his birth in 1963/64. I've paid the 20 Euro to the Registry in Roscommon, they literally could not find any record.

I know his own father was Patrick Ruddy, and believe his mothers first name is Anne *modsnip*

Anyone have any suggestions or help, I've tried all the usual sources, findmypast, familysearch etc. Ancestry is giving me no hints, I literally have a dad that has no traces anywhere!

CPTM · 23-07-2016 8:41pm

Google search his name and "Mayo".. A Paul James Ruddy comes up *modsnip*

Out of curiosity, why bring the Roscommon office into the investigation?

Hermy · 23-07-2016 10:28pm

Can I ask is it specifically his birth record your looking for or are you trying to make contact with him?

CPTM wrote: »

Out of curiosity, why bring the Roscommon office into the investigation?

Because it's the head office of the General Register Office?

CPTM · 23-07-2016 10:42pm

Hermy wrote:

Because it's the head office of the General Register Office?

I see - thank you!

pinkypinky · 23-07-2016 11:46pm

OP, please clarify if you are looking for living people or tracing your ancestry.

Natonstan · 24-07-2016 3:58pm

Thanks for all the replies, yes Roscommon as it's the head office.

I am simply trying to find a birth record/birth certificate for my own personal research purposes, I am not looking for an actual address, *modsnip*
I know 100% he is still alive.

pinkypinky · 24-07-2016 4:18pm

Alright then, if the GRO has not been able to assist you at their HQ, it might be worth ascertaining which sub-division of Mayo his birth would have been registered in and ringing them to check directly. It's possible they omitted a birth by accident when sending the quarterly records. It's not very likely: by the 1960s, we should have 100% coverage. Looking at a map, I'd guess Bangor in the Belmullet registration district.

Natonstan · 25-07-2016 11:11am

pinkypinky wrote: »

Alright then, if the GRO has not been able to assist you at their HQ, it might be worth ascertaining which sub-division of Mayo his birth would have been registered in and ringing them to check directly. It's possible they omitted a birth by accident when sending the quarterly records. It's not very likely: by the 1960s, we should have 100% coverage. Looking at a map, I'd guess Bangor in the Belmullet registration district.

I'd say the Belmullet registration would be right, I've been searching online but can't for the life of me work out how to contact Belmullet directly, I've had people tell me to contact Castlebar for Mayo birth records, would that be right? Or does Belmullet have it's own office?

pinkypinky · 25-07-2016 2:23pm

I see what you mean: the civil registration website only lists Castlebar for Mayo. Start there and ask them for the Belmullet number.

KildareFan · 25-07-2016 8:53pm

Any chance the wrong age is on the marriage cert? Here's a James Ruddy, b. 1952, Mother's surname Gaughan:
Name James Ruddy
Event Type Birth
Event Date Jan - Mar 1952
Event Place Belmullet, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jan - Mar 1952
Registration District Belmullet
Mother's Maiden Name Gaughan
Volume Number 4
Page Number 50

BowWow · 25-07-2016 9:07pm

Should there be this amount of detail about a living person on a public forum?

pinkypinky · 25-07-2016 9:13pm

Bowwow - if you have a problem, please report the post rather than trying to moderate yourself.

You'll see above that I clarified with the OP above that he is engaged in genealogy rather than trying to make contact with his father. Birth certs are public records, whether the person is alive, dead, famous or obscure.

Hermy · 25-07-2016 9:15pm

What amount of information?
This is all public domain like entries in the phone book.

Too slow!:o

pjproby · 25-07-2016 10:18pm

KildareFan-curious what is the source of that information?

L1011 · 25-07-2016 10:27pm

The LDS indices go to 1958 so probably Familysearch.

pinkypinky · 25-07-2016 10:43pm

Yup

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bsurname%3Aruddy~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Abelmullet~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1950-1955~%20%2Brecord_country%3AIreland&collection_id=(1408347)

Natonstan · 25-07-2016 11:33pm

KildareFan wrote: »

Any chance the wrong age is on the marriage cert? Here's a James Ruddy, b. 1952, Mother's surname Gaughan:
Name James Ruddy
Event Type Birth
Event Date Jan - Mar 1952
Event Place Belmullet, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jan - Mar 1952
Registration District Belmullet
Mother's Maiden Name Gaughan
Volume Number 4
Page Number 50

I actually got the birth cert for the above person sent out to me from the Roscommon office, the one difference is that that person's middle name is james PATRICK Ruddy, and my own birth cert says Paul, now I'm not 100% sure but is it even possible for him to have put a different middle name down?

Obviously if that is the same person his marriage cert is out by 10 years, but the cert I have has been handwritten so you never know

In terms of privacy, everything I've posted here, or that anyone else has posted here can be found online, this is strictly for my own family research, I am not in contact with my father, and I haven't been my entire life, I am simply trying to trace my roots on that side of the family as my tree is really lop-sided at the moment

Hermy · 25-07-2016 11:41pm

Natonstan wrote: »

...I am simply trying to trace my roots on that side of the family as my tree is really lop-sided at the moment

As an adopted person searching for my past I can relate to that.

Natonstan · 26-07-2016 12:56am

I've managed to find out his mothers maiden name may be Carey, and this person here is my dads older brother: *modsnip*

Still no record on there for James himself...

pinkypinky · 26-07-2016 9:16am

Mod note:
We're getting into more people who are still alive now, and I'm going to close the thread.

One final point: if you get the civil certificate for your parents marriage in 1990, it should name all four of your grandparents on it, including the grandmothers' maiden names. This information has been standard on civil certs since the mid 1960s.

Can't find a single trace of my fathers birth

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