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Importing a used bike from England

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  • 12-05-2021 10:26pm
    #1
    lipso
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    Hi, what is the story re importing a used bike from England, eg a 2010 with 14000km. I know there’ll be vrt on it, no,vat because it’s more than 6000km on it.
    But what about customs duty? How much?


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    colm_c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭colm_c


    lipso wrote: »
    Hi, what is the story re importing a used bike from England, eg a 2010 with 14000km. I know there’ll be vrt on it, no,vat because it’s more than 6000km on it.
    But what about customs duty? How much?

    You will have to pay duty, VAT and VRT.

    Unless it's an absolute bargain, it won't be worth it.

    The days of bringing in bikes from the UK to save a few Bob are gone.

    Some exceptions for bikes registered in NI before 2021.


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    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
    How is customs duty calculated


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    colm_c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭colm_c


    lipso wrote: »
    Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
    How is customs duty calculated

    VAT is due on any goods entering the EU, UK is no longer in the EU, so VAT is due.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/brexit/brexit-for-individuals/importing-a-vehicle-from-great-britain-gb-or-northern-ireland.aspx

    You have to find the code for duty, I think it is 0% for motorbikes though.

    Read up on revenue.ie all the details are there.


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    Mjolnir
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    lipso wrote: »
    Surely there’s only vat payable if it’s under 6 months old or has less than 6000km on it.
    How is customs duty calculated

    Vat will be due on purchase and transportation price regardless of age and millage.
    Duty is 0% from England.

    Eg.
    Bike -£2300/ €2678.94
    Transportation -€80
    Vrt -€100

    2678.94 + 80 = 2758.94 + 23% (634.55) =€3393.50
    3393.50 + 100 = €3493.50 total


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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    Duty is 0% from England.

    Is duty not based on County Of Origin?

    e.g. Japanese manufactured motorcycle @ 1.5%


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Is duty not based on County Of Origin?

    e.g. Japanese manufactured motorcycle @ 1.5%

    No. 10% duty on UK imports to here.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    Vat will be due on purchase and transportation price regardless of age and millage.
    Duty is 0% from England.

    Eg.
    Bike -£2300/ €2678.94
    Transportation -€80
    Vrt -€100

    2678.94 + 80 = 2758.94 + 23% (634.55) =€3393.50
    3393.50 + 100 = €3493.50 total

    Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

    And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

    So the sums above are over optimistic.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    Mjolnir
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

    And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

    So the sums above are over optimistic.

    You must be great craic at parties, it's an example to show the maths, never did I say those were the actual figures.


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    You must be great craic at parties, it's an example to show the maths, never did I say those were the actual figures.

    Why not just post accurate figures then ? ....it takes no less effort and is actually useful

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    Mjolnir
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Why not just post accurate figures then ? ....it takes no less effort and is actually useful

    Because I don't have to to show someone how the maths works.
    I've no idea the figure on the bike, if he's going to get the ferry over and back or have a bike transporter take it.
    Nor do I need to know any of the above to show him how to work it out for himself.
    For all we know he could fly over and take it back on the ferry.

    I'm sure he's well able follow a given example and insert his own figures. So that's why I didn't post "accurate" figures. He asked for a calculation and was given one, if he wanted exact figures he'd of asked.

    You quoting an example and pointing out a random figure serves less purpose than showing someone how to do it with random figures, so what's your point?


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    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭newmember2


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

    And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

    So the sums above are over optimistic.


    So they go on the invoiced purchase price? What about private sales etc.?


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    Mjolnir
    Registered Users Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Mjolnir


    newmember? wrote: »
    So they go on the invoiced purchase price? What about private sales etc.?

    You'll need a receipt, you can write one up, just don't take the piss on the figure.


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Mjolnir wrote: »
    Because I don't have to to show someone how the maths works.
    I've no idea the figure on the bike, if he's going to get the ferry over and back or have a bike transporter take it.
    Nor do I need to know any of the above to show him how to work it out for himself.
    For all we know he could fly over and take it back on the ferry.

    I'm sure he's well able follow a given example and insert his own figures. So that's why I didn't post "accurate" figures. He asked for a calculation and was given one, if he wanted exact figures he'd of asked.

    You quoting an example and pointing out a random figure serves less purpose than showing someone how to do it with random figures, so what's your point?

    No you don't, but leaving out Duty makes your example misleading.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    galwaytt wrote: »
    No. 10% duty on UK imports to here.

    That's used passenger cars (commodity code heading 8703) [sidenote: buying a new car from UK of Japanese origin has 6.3% duty rate]

    If they are charging third country duty on a motorcycle, then it looks like 1.5% direct from Japan, but if third country duty is applicable on Japanese made motorcycle via GB then it's 6%?

    (commodity code heading 8711)

    https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20210516&Area=JP&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=8711500000&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=

    The Revenue page talks of used passenger cars and gives example for all other vehicles look up the commodity code.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/registration-of-imported-used-vehicles/importing-a-vehicle-from-gb.aspx

    tl;dr It's not 10% duty.

    Edit to add: 8% duty on sub 250cc


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    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Having just imported a bike, the only way you're avoiding 10% duty is to buy in NI.

    And €80 transport from UK isn't accurate. I paid €330.

    So the sums above are over optimistic.

    What the procedure then re vat and customs duty?


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    #17
    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
    Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?


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    Fabio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭Fabio


    For a 125cc Kymco...would you not be better off buying from a dealer here? Is it a massive saving like?

    I'm not being disrespectful or anything, I'd probably understand a little better if it was something pretty rare.


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    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    Fabio wrote: »
    For a 125cc Kymco...would you not be better off buying from a dealer here? Is it a massive saving like?

    I'm not being disrespectful or anything, I'd probably understand a little better if it was something pretty rare.

    I understand what you’re saying but forget about the bike just interested in the calculations and costs to import it


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    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,906 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    lipso wrote: »
    My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
    Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?

    350+325=£675-€780
    €780+23% =€960
    + Duty @ 6%= €1016
    + VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
    - 8 years =€50
    €1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.


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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    350+325=£675-€780
    + Duty @ 6%= €1016

    I'll just add following my previous post that third country duty on sub 250cc is 8%


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    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    350+325=£675-€780
    €780+23% =€960
    + Duty @ 6%= €1016
    + VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
    - 8 years =€50
    €1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.

    Thanks....what’s the 6% based on? Uk?


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    macplaxton
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    Based on TARIC 871120xxxx https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en

    actually 8% of "landed cost" so sale price + shipping or transport/shipping insurance


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    #24
    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    Is that bike seen as uk origin or Taiwanese? For example Lexmoto is British but bikes made in China, so is customs duty based on uk or China?


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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    lipso wrote: »
    My bike is £350, £325 courier... it’s a 2013 125cc kymco.....vrt seems to be €50.
    Vat would be 23% of 350? Customs duty would be % of so called Open market selling price?
    CJhaughey wrote: »
    350+325=£675-€780
    €780+23% =€960
    + Duty @ 6%= €1016
    + VRT @ €2 per cc = €250
    - 8 years =€50
    €1100 landed plus motor tax of €76 and plate.

    (not sure about the jump from €675 to €780? VAT goes on after duty applied)


    €350 + €325 = €675
    + Duty @ 8% €54 = €729
    + VAT @ 23% €167.67 = €896.67
    + VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €946.67


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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    lipso wrote: »
    Is that bike seen as uk origin or Taiwanese? For example Lexmoto is British but bikes made in China, so is customs duty based on uk or China?

    It would appear to be GB import, but under "third country duty", because COO is China and not GB.


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    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    As a matter of interest I searched on donedeal for any 2012-2014 125s. 12 ads appear cheapest is €1100. So dear in Ireland.


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    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,906 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    macplaxton wrote: »
    (not sure about the jump from €675 to €780? VAT goes on after duty applied)


    €350 + €325 = €675
    + Duty @ 8% €54 = €729
    + VAT @ 23% €167.67 = €896.67
    + VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €946.67

    Conversion from GBP to EUR (675-780)


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    #29
    lipso
    Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    If the bike was from EU, France or Germany how would these figures differ? Same except no customs duty?


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    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Conversion from GBP to EUR (675-780)

    Ah, I see now :o

    £350 + £325 = £675 / 0.86250 (Revenue Exchange Rate for May 2021*) = €782.60
    + Duty @ 8% €62.60 = €845.20
    + VAT @ 23% €194.39 = €1039.59
    + VRT @ €2 per cc €250 less age discount 80% €50 = €1089.59

    * https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/importing-and-exporting/exchange-rates/2021/may-2021.aspx


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    CJhaughey
    Registered Users Posts: 14,906 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    lipso wrote: »
    If the bike was from EU, France or Germany how would these figures differ? Same except no customs duty?

    No vat applicable to EU registered except if <6000k or 6mths


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