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MMA/UFC Questions for Newbies

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭nomadchocolate


    hendo11 wrote: »
    In a word Yes,

    If you curios about the sport go onto youtube look up some basic stuff like armbars,triangles and kimura's,

    You might decide to give it a try couldnt reccomend it enough to anybody even thinking of trying it the once you'll be hooked and then your interest in the armbar turns into interest in Berimbolo's,Baroplatas and such.

    I would love to try it but have the flexibility of a statue.

    I watched an Eddie Bravo Invitational on fight pass once and the competitors were like elastic.

    Do you practice?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 hendo11


    The guys on EBI are professionals,not really a representation of the Jiu Jitsu you'd be learning here,

    Yeah I train a few years now and its one of the best things ive done in life tbh,4 times a week for 2 hours I train and its like a form of therapy while learning cool skills until you try it you'll never know,its cliche but when your training it you gotta be in the moment soon as you step on the mat lifes problems go out the window,

    Thats enough of the hard sell lol never mind your level of fitness or flexibility its 100% no problem there is people in my club nearly 50 year old out of shape businesmen taximen you name it you'll meet every demographic in clubs,no morons whatsoever either,

    Just do it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Totally naive toward Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

    In a standard armbar what prevents the victim from rolling toward his opponent? Is it the legs across the chest/neck that pins them down?

    Roll towards him, as in just roll up and get on top.

    In that case, it's sort of the being pinned, but more that the legs are physically in the way. If you flip them over, with both guys facing the ground the armbar still works the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    Totally naive toward Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

    In a standard armbar what prevents the victim from rolling toward his opponent? Is it the legs across the chest/neck that pins them down?

    In a closed-guard armbar, the attacker has one leg across the back of the opponents neck and the other across their upper back. The attacker, drives their heels towards the ground/mat, which create a ton of pressure on the opponent and prevents them from posturing up/lifting out of the armbar.

    Failure to do this allows the opponent to regain their posture and stack the attacker (think of squishing the attackers legs towards their face) thus preventing the armbar (because to armbar an opponent you need to hyper-extend their arm/elbow which requires space to do so) and eventually having their entire guard passed.

    Jiujitsu is, in my brief blue-belt experience, about controlling posture, applying pressure and opening up possibilities to escape/attack. You don't need any sort of flexibility to train jiujitsu. I can't even touch my toes if I bend over when standing or sitting. Everything is designed so that technique will prevail over strength. When you train at any level, especially professional like those you see in EBI, you naturally develop flexibility from being in the same positions every day in the gym. (Just like how Yoga gradually improves your flexibility over time.)

    I am not strong, I'm not fast and I'm not flexible, but I have never found (In 2+ years training) a technique that I have been unable to practice or learn because I lack any of those traits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Get stuck in.

    I'm 37, high on fat and low on flexibility and I've been training about 18 months.

    Love it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    As above flexibility helps, as with most sports, but it's not needed. There are endless styles to play. Find the one that suits you.
    But that said, flexibility will improve, especially if you work on it directly.
    I wasn't very flexible when I started. I believe at the time that was why I was getting stuck in certain spots (it wasn't). But I put in the work and a while ago I managed this. Not finished yet, but happy with progress

    http://imgur.com/vD02KBj



    Also, I know BJJ is an integral part of MMA.
    But there's a dedicated BJJ thread on the Martial arts forum that doesn't benefit from the same traffic as here.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057558818&page=12


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Tom12340


    Hi I have a question which could be stupid, I was thinkng of joining my local mma club but the only thing stopping me is I am worried about whether I have a suitable body type, pretty much if I should bulk up before going. I am currently 6"2 and 140 pounds. Thanks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Tom12340 wrote: »
    Hi I have a question which could be stupid, I was thinkng of joining my local mma club but the only thing stopping me is I am worried about whether I have a suitable body type, pretty much if I should bulk up before going. I am currently 6"2 and 140 pounds. Thanks.


    No,go and join tomorrow every club is full of all different shapes sizes men women kids all levels of fitness all different reasons for training,just go and join asap!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Tom12340


    Thanks for the quick reply.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Tom12340 wrote: »
    Thanks for the quick reply.


    There is probably a begginers class tonight even if your lucky,the quicker you start the quicker you reap the benefits physically and mentally from learning martial arts,give it a go anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Tom12340 wrote: »
    Hi I have a question which could be stupid, I was thinkng of joining my local mma club but the only thing stopping me is I am worried about whether I have a suitable body type, pretty much if I should bulk up before going. I am currently 6"2 and 140 pounds. Thanks.

    Imagine the reach advantage if you can cut to 135!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,839 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Depp wrote: »
    Imagine the reach advantage if you can cut to 135!

    Or even 145


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    Hi I have a question which could be stupid, I was thinkng of joining my local mma club but the only thing stopping me is I am worried about whether I have a suitable body type, pretty much if I should bulk up before going. I am currently 6"2 and 140 pounds. Thanks.

    I have been training about 10 years and I cannot tell the amount of times I have heard people saying they want to start but want to loose/gain/change X, Y or Z first, and end up not starting or delaying for years.

    Its often "get fitter", "loose weight", "gain some muscle", "sort out my diet" first etc.

    My advice is just go.

    Everything else will come in time, there is absolutely no substitute than actually just signing up and going to classes. There are no right or wrong body types, you will adapt your style to fit our body over time, and your body type will likely change also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Good advice above.

    When I started I was 5'11" and 260lbs. Had plenty of excuses myself not to go, but I bit the bullet and started.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Marty is absolutely spot on.

    I started last year extremely unfit and looking pregnant (male)

    While my fitness isn't Diaz levels it has come on immensely, it's also very enjoyable. Much more so than staring at yourself lifting weights I find. Weight also comes off regardless. I just need to sort my diet to get rid of more, I like food too much though so that might take a while ha.

    GF's brother wants to get into it as well but he's using the get fitter excuses as well so I keep trying to tell him if I can manage it, he should have no problem (younger, not pregnant looking)


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭conroym7


    Hi All,

    Just a quick question regarding BJJ clubs in Dublin.

    I've been interested in BJJ for a while now and always said id love to to join and train. I bite the bullet this week and went for an intro class at a club in Dublin city centre. Was an hour long class covering the basic movments etc. Really enjoyed it.

    At the end of the class i was asking about the membership fees and couldn't get over the cost, €70 a month for morning only classes. Is this the usual rate in Dublin? Why is it so expensive?

    Not sure if this is right thread but seen people above discussing starting BJJ.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    conroym7 wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Just a quick question regarding BJJ clubs in Dublin.

    I've been interested in BJJ for a while now and always said id love to to join and train. I bite the bullet this week and went for an intro class at a club in Dublin city centre. Was an hour long class covering the basic movments etc. Really enjoyed it.

    At the end of the class i was asking about the membership fees and couldn't get over the cost, €70 a month for morning only classes. Is this the usual rate in Dublin? Why is it so expensive?

    Not sure if this is right thread but seen people above discussing starting BJJ.


    Yeah thats probably middle to slightly high ish range,how many morning classes is there?


    My Gym is 60e a month all in every class Mon Wed Fri and anything extra open mat ect covered,you get what you pay for you might find some dump charging 30 or 40 a month but you will suffer,look around for the best gym for you that includes a Good coach,location,cleanliness of the gym and mats (very important) time tables ect and pick one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Thank goodness I don't live in Dublin.

    I pay £32 a month for as many classes as I want. BJJ, Judo, MMA and WJJF.

    Only train BJJ though. But still good value.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    Just a quick question regarding BJJ clubs in Dublin.

    I've been interested in BJJ for a while now and always said id love to to join and train. I bite the bullet this week and went for an intro class at a club in Dublin city centre. Was an hour long class covering the basic movments etc. Really enjoyed it.

    At the end of the class i was asking about the membership fees and couldn't get over the cost, €70 a month for morning only classes. Is this the usual rate in Dublin? Why is it so expensive?

    Not sure if this is right thread but seen people above discussing starting BJJ

    Well lets think about it for a minute. Say there are morning classes 5 days a week and you go to 3. That is 12/13 classes a month for 70 euro Between 5.30/5.80 a class.

    If you were to go 5 days a week that drops to under 3.20 a class.

    That is 3.20 for an hour, being trained by someone who has spent years of their lives (decades for higher belts) gaining skill to pass on to you. Not to mention the cost of the matted area which is incredibly high, rent, insurance and other running costs.

    How much do you think it should cost?

    Personally I think that is more than a fair price. I am often surprised people complain about the price of a month of membership in a gym. If you put the time in it is a great return for your money and hours and hours entertainment, not to mention other physical,mental and social benefits.

    Lots people drop 70-100 on a night out and do not think twice about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    conroym7 wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Just a quick question regarding BJJ clubs in Dublin.

    I've been interested in BJJ for a while now and always said id love to to join and train. I bite the bullet this week and went for an intro class at a club in Dublin city centre. Was an hour long class covering the basic movments etc. Really enjoyed it.

    At the end of the class i was asking about the membership fees and couldn't get over the cost, €70 a month for morning only classes. Is this the usual rate in Dublin? Why is it so expensive?

    Not sure if this is right thread but seen people above discussing starting BJJ.

    The BJJ thread is probably the best place for that stuff.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057558818

    I pay $35 a week, other places would be $40-50 per week (Australia). Which is slightly more expensive than a high end gym membership here. Which is about where it usually falls.

    I'd expect a high end gym membership in Dublin to be e50-80 per month .So BJJ at e70-100 makes sense to me. Coached classes are more expensive to run that free weights areas in a gym.
    Strength and Condition Gyms that have weights plus coaching are more expensive again e100-150 maybe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    This may be more a boxing question, but I think it can refer to MMA as well, but in both the context of boxing and MMA could anyone explain to me what a lineal champion is?

    Sound...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    BOHtox wrote: »
    This may be more a boxing question, but I think it can refer to MMA as well, but in both the context of boxing and MMA could anyone explain to me what a lineal champion is?

    Sound...
    Fairly sure it just refers to best in specific weight class as the UFC is the stronghold in MMA majority would view the holder of their belts as such.

    Could apply to McGregor and Bones Jones who are some examples they hold wins over and were not beaten by the guys wearing the belts referring to the weight class they were won at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭BOHtox


    Fairly sure it just refers to best in specific weight class as the UFC is the stronghold in MMA majority would view the holder of their belts as such.

    Could apply to McGregor and Bones Jones who are some examples they hold wins over and were not beaten by the guys wearing the belts referring to the weight class they were won at.

    So Conor is lineal champ at FW, as he was not beaten there and held the title, and Jones at LHW for the same reason despite the fact neither hold the title currently?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Fairly sure it just refers to best in specific weight class as the UFC is the stronghold in MMA majority would view the holder of their belts as such.
    It's a continuous title since the beginnings of MMA, that ignores the different promotions and the physical belt. It's not necessarily the best guy in the weight class though. If the lineal champ is fighting outside the UFC. The UFC champ can't get the title, even if he's actually the best. (Aldo wasn't lineal champ for example).
    BOHtox wrote: »
    So Conor is lineal champ at FW, as he was not beaten there and held the title, and Jones at LHW for the same reason despite the fact neither hold the title currently?

    The FW lineal title goes back to Shoot in Japan. Which started a FW division in 1990. The first title holder was Kenichi Tanaka. It was eventually won by Noboru Asahi who was champ from 1992 to 1999 (longest reign ever I think). He eventually lost it to Leo Nogueira, who held it on and off it a few times. When he finally lost it, the title jumped around the Hero's and Dream tournaments. It was unified with the Dream title until Hiroyuki Takaya lost to Robbie Peralta in Strikeforce.
    After that Robbie Peralta moved to the UFC. Has some success before losing to Akira Corassani. Who lost Poirier, who then passed it to...
    Conor McGregor. Who still has the title


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I think you missed a step in there Mellor. After Corasanni and before the current lineal champ should be
    Poirier?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    If McGregor holds it and never goes back to featherweight to lose it, what happens to it then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    I think you missed a step in there Mellor. After Corasanni and before the current lineal champ should be
    Poirier?

    Ah, Must have deleted I line by mistake. I originally had the full lineage there, but it became massive. Thanks for pointing out. Edited now
    If McGregor holds it and never goes back to featherweight to lose it, what happens to it then?

    They'll have to somehow consolidate it with some current champs. Which is tricky, as the only other lineage of note is the WEC one. Which also went to McGregor via Aldo. I'm sure it's happened over the years, but its far enough. As fighters tend to retire/change divisions after a lose more so than a win.

    GSP is arguable still the lineal WW champ. If he ever comes back he'd have a claim to it. Otherwise, it makes sense to pass it to Hendricks > Lawlor > Woodley


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TimRiggins


    Mellor wrote: »
    Ah, Must have deleted I line by mistake. I originally had the full lineage there, but it became massive. Thanks for pointing out. Edited now



    They'll have to somehow consolidate it with some current champs. Which is tricky, as the only other lineage of note is the WEC one. Which also went to McGregor via Aldo. I'm sure it's happened over the years, but its far enough. As fighters tend to retire/change divisions after a lose more so than a win.

    GSP is arguable still the lineal WW champ. If he ever comes back he'd have a claim to it. Otherwise, it makes sense to pass it to Hendricks > Lawlor > Woodley

    I looked it up and saw that when a fighter left its awarded to the best two in the division that fight afterwards? In that case would the Aldo/Holloway fight determine it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    TimRiggins wrote: »
    I looked it up and saw that when a fighter left its awarded to the best two in the division that fight afterwards? In that case would the Aldo/Holloway fight determine it?

    Where did you see that.
    There used to be a good site that kept a list, but I can't seem to find it. There's a list on FightMatrix I think, but it has some mistakes (No Porrier/Akira for a start).

    There's no rules really. And there's nobody managing it. If Conor never comes back, most likely history will pick it up from Max v Aldo. But if he does come back who knows.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 oikle


    Any good MMA gyms in South Dublin for absolute beginners? Want to train mainly Muay Thai to begin with but having the option of wrestling and jiu jitsu is a plus.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    oikle wrote: »
    Any good MMA gyms in South Dublin for absolute beginners? Want to train mainly Muay Thai to begin with but having the option of wrestling and jiu jitsu is a plus.



    Heard of a place called SBG or something might be worth checking out...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Juat noticed you can buy the ppv through fightpass for 30e which is handy to watch on telly through the xbox

    Edit - false alarm blocked out in ireland when going to the purchase page


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,837 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    ASOT wrote: »
    Juat noticed you can buy the ppv through fightpass for 30e which is handy to watch on telly through the xbox

    Definitely wouldn't be geo-blocked here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Definitely wouldn't be geo-blocked here?

    Not sure who i posted it in here and not the proper thread; but yeah its for uk and other european countries only. Its being blocked like the normal ufc ppvs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Isn't it €25 through Sky? No buffering issues etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    How would a fighter improve his cardio, (yep, looking towards Conor here but any fighter in general)

    I mean Conor is as fit as a butchers dog but gassed bad, how come?

    If a fighter improves his cardio i guess he'd have to maintain that training/lifestyle to keep it up??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Training for it specifically. But there are genetic limirsvti egatcyou can do. Usain Bolt, one if the most athletic men on the planet could never have good cardio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭MagicIRL


    By fighting a different style. Conor put a lot of effort into the opening rounds trying to land heavy punches on Mayweather. That is obviously tiring work. Mayweather prepared for it, played heavily defensive and turned it on in the later rounds.

    Conor's cardio is by no means bad, it's just his style/preferred way to fight that sees him often tire in the later rounds because he's put so much effort into trying to decapitate his opponent as soon as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    He is a sprinter not a marathon runner.

    A lot of natural power comes from high twitch fibres. His sister competed in body building so seems to run in the family. Explosive power uses a lot of energy and comes at the cost of endurance.

    But there a lots of reasons, particularly sport specific cardio, efficient of movement, style.

    You could take a 400m runner and put him in a football match and he would likely struggle due to the stop start nature of the game as opposed to a single prolonged burst that he/she is used to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Mellor wrote: »
    Training for it specifically. But there are genetic limirsvti egatcyou can do. Usain Bolt, one if the most athletic men on the planet could never have good cardio.

    Interesting, so Bolt could never have good cardio, or if he changed his training/lifestyle he could???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    scudzilla wrote: »

    Interesting, so Bolt could never have good cardio, or if he changed his training/lifestyle he could???
    He'd never have good cardio endurance. Even if he trained for it specifically, he just has too much fast twitch and not enough slow twitch. In other words, built for speed not endurance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Very good point, might not be cardio specifically but rather adrenaline dump 10 mins in


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Quick Q: If somebody is being choked and they don't tap out, but subsequently get knocked out as a result of the choke.....I assume that decision goes down as a sub rather than a KO / TKO?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Quick Q: If somebody is being choked and they don't tap out, but subsequently get knocked out as a result of the choke.....I assume that decision goes down as a sub rather than a KO / TKO?

    Correct


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Autecher


    Quick Q: If somebody is being choked and they don't tap out, but subsequently get knocked out as a result of the choke.....I assume that decision goes down as a sub rather than a KO / TKO?
    If they get choked out it's called a technical submission, if they tap it's called a submission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    Quick Q: If somebody is being choked and they don't tap out, but subsequently get knocked out as a result of the choke.....I assume that decision goes down as a sub rather than a KO / TKO?

    You get knocked out from impact to the head. Primarily on the jaw or behind the ear. But a hard impact to anywhere on the head or neck can do it.

    You get choked out through strangulation. Two forms, a blood choke and air. Blood chokes are more common and involve decreasing blood flow to the brain by applying pressure to the sides of the neck. Sometimes its obvious you are in bad trouble other times you might not feel like you are going out. Air chokes are more on the trachea on the neck and the there is immediate choking or coughing reaction.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cliggg wrote: »
    If they get choked out it's called a technical submission, if they tap it's called a submission.

    Lucky me, then. Thanks for the input.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭QuintusFabius


    I am not trying to wind people up here, but is it legal to kick someone in the balls in MMA?
    Cos I think that would be a great tactic, straight out and a kick in the knackers - that way anyone could really win a fight.


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