2019 Nfl Draft

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 1:48am

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

Think Williams will be an All-Pro by the end of his rookie contract.

Seems like a very driven guy with a head on his shoulders. Saying how his mother wanted him to get his degree, don't get complacent and keep working.

adrian522 · 26-04-2019 1:50am

Raiders

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 1:50am

Ferrell probably would have been on the board later on...

raze_them_all_ · 26-04-2019 1:51am

Raiders embracing themselves as the new browns

phatkev · 26-04-2019 1:55am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Raiders embracing themselves as the new browns

taking a punter with one of the other 1st rounders confirmed

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 1:58am

Josh Allen could fall to the Lions here.

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:02am

LOL Giants

Lionbacker · 26-04-2019 2:04am

I thought Josh Allen was a pipe dream for the Lions at 8. Now it's looks a real possibility especially if Jaguars go OL as expected.

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 2:06am

Lionbacker wrote: »

I thought Josh Allen was a pipe dream for the Lions at 8. Now it's looks a real possibility especially if Jaguars go OL as expected.

I'd nearly want Bob Quinn to trade up to make sure of it.

letowski · 26-04-2019 2:06am

Rumors were that Daniel Jones was not going to get by Denver so NYG had to pick him at 6

raze_them_all_ · 26-04-2019 2:08am

And a massive hold my beer moment from the giants

raze_them_all_ · 26-04-2019 2:08am

Jags go josh allen

the baby bull elephant · 26-04-2019 2:08am

Jags ruined it.

Lionbacker · 26-04-2019 2:09am

Oh well that didn't work out.

the baby bull elephant · 26-04-2019 2:10am

Oliver, Williams, Hock or trade down I think.

Probably end up taking Gary or something.

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:10am

I really thought the Jags would have went offence to help Foles out. A good defense gets better

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 2:11am

I'm raging. So close.

TJ Hockenson or Ed Oliver please.

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:11am

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

And a massive hold my beer moment from the giants

Gettleman didn't want to be outdone by the Raiders

raze_them_all_ · 26-04-2019 2:15am

Lions go hawkenson te

Lionbacker · 26-04-2019 2:15am

Not impressed

letowski · 26-04-2019 2:16am

Lionbacker wrote: »

Not impressed

I think he is one of the most surest player in the draft. Great player. Granted, not a premium position.

the baby bull elephant · 26-04-2019 2:17am

I can live with it, pretty much the anti-Ebron.

Still think Oliver would have been perfect for Patricia.

Faugheen · 26-04-2019 2:19am

Lionbacker wrote: »

Not impressed

He's an excellent player. Badly needed production at TE and makes sense.

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:26am

nearly made it out of the top 10 without a trade, Steelers move up 10 spots

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:29am

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1121586403731738624

Hazys · 26-04-2019 2:33am

Thats a lot to give up to just move up 10 spots

phatkev · 26-04-2019 2:55am

After all the talk of trades, it looks like Haskins is going to fall into Washingtons lap without them having to move an inch

letowski · 26-04-2019 3:00am

Dwayne Haskins to the Redskins. Great pick for them. Amazed he fell so far.

letowski · 26-04-2019 4:11am

Typical.. stay up all the way until after 4am to see the Colts 1st round pick... and off course they trade out of the first round :mad:

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 26-04-2019 5:19am

DL dominates as expected.
Jawaan Taylor, Greedy, Byron Murphy, Lock and DK all still on the board, although I'm not that surprised at DK.
Didn't hear anything about Daniel Jones before today but the consensus is that the Giants reached, and not just for Jones. The Skins on the other hand look like they had a great 1st day although obviously no one will know for another 8/9 months.
Patriots the second team to go WR but a bit of a surprise in N'Keal Harry. Again I don't know anything about him.
Pick of the day for me goes to either the Jags at no. 8 or Skins at 15.

eagle eye · 26-04-2019 6:28am

Absolutely shocked that Haskins fell all the way to 15. Imo he should have been the no.1 pick.
It really doesn't matter how Kyler Murray works out, he is a risk given his height so should never have been picked in the top 10.
Haskins on the other hand has the height and an incredible arm. He is ready to go I think and the Washington Redskins just became my favourites to win the AFC East.
Delighted with the Patriots taking N'Keal Harry. We badly needed WR and this guy fits the bill as a big target who is an excellent route runner and has great hands and athletic ability.
Redskins clearly won the first round getting Haskins and Montez Sweat.
Whoever is running the show for the Buccaneers, Dolphins, Giants and Broncos should be sacked for passing up on Haskins.

D9Male · 26-04-2019 7:02am

Of course it matters if Murray works out. Why wouldn't it?

Pretty underwhelming draft in the drama stakes by the looks of it. Lots of corners on the board for Day 2.

el Fenomeno · 26-04-2019 8:06am

letowski wrote: »

Rumors were that Daniel Jones was not going to get by Denver so NYG had to pick him at 6

I don't know. If I heard that Elway wanted to draft the QB I had my eyes on, I'd immediately reconsider it.

The_Honeybadger · 26-04-2019 11:01am

Raiders pick was a surprise to say the least. PFT on Monday called the Giants picking Jones and felt he was underrated but even so he looks like a tremendous reach. Hope it works out for them.

Delighted the Steelers got Devin Bush but it was a costly manoeuvre. They have two rd 3 picks and bagful of picks between 4-6 so I expect them to trade back in to the second this evening.

Itssoeasy · 26-04-2019 12:20pm

Just a note that there is a 40 minute version of the first round of the draft from last night on gamepass.

Knex* · 26-04-2019 12:33pm

Well, I'm fairly sickened by that Jones pick. Especially at 6 with Josh Allen on board and Haskins not going til 15.

Lawrence, a two down player at 17 is also hard to take.

I do like the trade up for Baker, but if Jones is Tannehill at absolute best case scenario, then it won't matter. This franchise will go nowhere.

Rumours are that both Broncos and Redskins had Jones mocked higher than Haskins, which is part of the reason Giants pulled the trigger, but I find that baffling.

phatkev · 26-04-2019 12:40pm

Knex. wrote: »

Well, I'm fairly sickened by that Jones pick. Especially at 6 with Josh Allen on board and Haskins not going til 15.

And to think of the QB's they passed up on last year!

Lawrence, a two down player at 17 is also hard to take.

Getting rid of Snacks for a fifth round pick makes even less sense now as well!

Can the Jets finally hand over the moniker of NY's circus team to the Giants now?

Morrison J · 26-04-2019 2:12pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Absolutely shocked that Haskins fell all the way to 15. Imo he should have been the no.1 pick.
It really doesn't matter how Kyler Murray works out, he is a risk given his height so should never have been picked in the top 10.
Haskins on the other hand has the height and an incredible arm. He is ready to go I think and the Washington Redskins just became my favourites to win the AFC East.
Delighted with the Patriots taking N'Keal Harry. We badly needed WR and this guy fits the bill as a big target who is an excellent route runner and has great hands and athletic ability.
Redskins clearly won the first round getting Haskins and Montez Sweat.
Whoever is running the show for the Buccaneers, Dolphins, Giants and Broncos should be sacked for passing up on Haskins.

Think you're far too high on Haskins personally. He has some tools but he had some genuinely horrible games in college. He's terrible under pressure and with the Skins interior O-Line as it is I don't think he's going to thrive there as it stands. Needs to sit for a year but knowing Snyder he'll be pushed to start week 1.

26-04-2019 2:16pm

Knex. wrote: »

Well, I'm fairly sickened by that Jones pick. Especially at 6 with Josh Allen on board and Haskins not going til 15.

Lawrence, a two down player at 17 is also hard to take.

I do like the trade up for Baker, but if Jones is Tannehill at absolute best case scenario, then it won't matter. This franchise will go nowhere.

Rumours are that both Broncos and Redskins had Jones mocked higher than Haskins, which is part of the reason Giants pulled the trigger, but I find that baffling.

Also the broncos/skins don't have the best history of evaluating QBs

Lionbacker · 26-04-2019 2:23pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Lionbacker wrote: »

Not impressed

He's an excellent player. Badly needed production at TE and makes sense.

My problem is that you can get a perfectly fine TE in the later rounds. For example Gronk was a 2nd rounder & Kittle went in the 5th round.
I don't think you could get comparably good pass rushers later in the draft.
If Flowers goes down, we're in trouble.

Foxtrol · 26-04-2019 2:29pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Absolutely shocked that Haskins fell all the way to 15. Imo he should have been the no.1 pick.
It really doesn't matter how Kyler Murray works out, he is a risk given his height so should never have been picked in the top 10.
Haskins on the other hand has the height and an incredible arm. He is ready to go I think and the Washington Redskins just became my favourites to win the AFC East.

You can't look at a player in a vacuum of the teams they're going to. I was quite high on Haskins, shocked he dropped that far, but he wouldn't be a fit at all for the Cardinals, with their porous OL and Kingsburry's scheme, while Murray fits perfectly.

Also, I strongly disagree with ruling players out of being a high pick due to a physical measurable, plenty of players have shown teams to be fools for playing it safe and letting them drop while prototypical sized guys bust regularly.

Foxtrol · 26-04-2019 2:56pm

At this point you could make an argument that since Gettleman took over he has been purposefully trying damage the Giants for the long term.

I'm not quite sure which is more bizarre, the decisions he makes or his explanations for the decisions. Last night he stated that they couldn't miss out on Jones but he could see him sitting behind Eli for 3 years.

neris · 26-04-2019 4:18pm

Not a big follower of american football but been watching bits and pieces online over last few months but can some one explain what the purpose of the draft is and why a team cant just go down to a college and sign a kid up in the same way a soccer team could

tgdaly · 26-04-2019 4:25pm

neris wrote: »

Not a big follower of american football but been watching bits and pieces online over last few months but can some one explain what the purpose of the draft is and why a team cant just go down to a college and sign a kid up in the same way a soccer team could

Basically it's designed to create fairness amongst all the teams, so the worst team from last year gets the first pick next year, and the best team gets the last pick. The hope is it'll stop certain teams from being dominant and give every team the hope it can win each year. As opposed to football where team with money will usually get the best players

Knex* · 26-04-2019 4:47pm

https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1121757591019884545

el Fenomeno · 26-04-2019 5:58pm

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Raiders pick was a surprise to say the least.

It's funny because Mayock as a GM is getting slammed for that pick.

Yet if Mayock the NFL Network analyst had put Ferrell as his no. 2 DE behind Bosa on his annual Top 5 position lists, a different GM would be being praised right now for a smart pick.

The_Honeybadger · 26-04-2019 6:06pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

It's funny because Mayock as a GM is getting slammed for that pick.

Yet if Mayock the NFL Network analyst had put Ferrell as his no. 2 DE behind Bosa on his annual Top 5 position lists, a different GM would be being praised right now for a smart pick.

Was only saying it was a surprise pick, not that it’s a bad pick. Obviously if the guy is an all pro and fits what Oakland want to do it will be a good pick. Nobody knows for sure yet, not even Gruden and Mayock.

Foxtrol · 26-04-2019 6:27pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

It's funny because Mayock as a GM is getting slammed for that pick.

Yet if Mayock the NFL Network analyst had put Ferrell as his no. 2 DE behind Bosa on his annual Top 5 position lists, a different GM would be being praised right now for a smart pick.

I really don’t think Mayock is getting slammed for the pick. General consensus is that it was a bit early for him, but that he was still a great talent and in a position of need for them, especially with the clear top 2 off the board.

Mayock was never really a golden source for draft ranking. Sure, he was respected, but it wasn’t as if the wider draft community shape their opinions based on what he said. It is also pretty obvious that Gruden is still running the show there with the picks, Mayock shouldn’t be getting slammed for any picks.

eagle eye · 26-04-2019 7:03pm

Morrison J wrote:

Think you're far too high on Haskins personally. He has some tools but he had some genuinely horrible games in college. He's terrible under pressure and with the Skins interior O-Line as it is I don't think he's going to thrive there as it stands. Needs to sit for a year but knowing Snyder he'll be pushed to start week 1.

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that he is terrible under pressure.

Foxtrol wrote:

You can't look at a player in a vacuum of the teams they're going to. I was quite high on Haskins, shocked he dropped that far, but he wouldn't be a fit at all for the Cardinals, with their porous OL and Kingsburry's scheme, while Murray fits perfectly.

You build the offense around your QB, if he is a good one, not the other way around.

Foxtrol wrote:

Also, I strongly disagree with ruling players out of being a high pick due to a physical measurable, plenty of players have shown teams to be fools for playing it safe and letting them drop while prototypical sized guys bust regularly.

Name the last player of his height or smaller to succeed in the NFL at QB.
You won't find one in the last thirty years.
He may have success for a short while until teams figure him out. His running will keep him alive for a while but he is going up against smarter, faster players than he faced in college.
I'm pointing out the reasons he will fail. It's entirely possible that he doesn't fail but it's a huge gamble and ridiculous to take him in the top 10.

Foxtrol · 26-04-2019 7:34pm

eagle eye wrote: »

You build the offense around your QB, if he is a good one, not the other way around.

If they were sticking with Rosen then yes, he’d need to rebuild his offense to suit him, but if they’re picking a new QB then you pick one that fits your system (especially when he is also the consensus better QB). They made their bed by picking Kingsbury and if they were picking a QB it would be crazy to pick one that didn’t suit his scheme.

Name the last player of his height or smaller to succeed in the NFL at QB.
You won't find one in the last thirty years.
He may have success for a short while until teams figure him out. His running will keep him alive for a while but he is going up against smarter, faster players than he faced in college.
I'm pointing out the reasons he will fail. It's entirely possible that he doesn't fail but it's a huge gamble and ridiculous to take him in the top 10.

Do you really think the less than an inch difference in height between Murray and Wilson will be the difference between being a success and failure? People have tried and failed to figure Wilson out for years. There are plenty of reasons that Murray could fail, but I very much doubt it will be because of an inch or two in height.

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